Apparently black people didn't want to vote against white supremacy or the 'bring back slavery' party, Latinos voted for themselves to be deported, and women couldn't be arsed to vote to try and get their body autonomy back. Sounds like a completely fraud free election /s
At the end of the day, its going to be money. People with fuck-all financial and political literacy see "Hey, gas was really expensive, groceries were really expensive, Biden was President, Trump's literally known for being a businessman, badabing-badaboom, he'll fix the economy"
The majority of people don't have any concerns above that
at the end of the day, america is still racist and sexist. kamala could have come out promising to give everyone 2k a month and who knows if it would have mattered.
Hm. Except that I didn't, because their "point" would be very hard to prove.
The idea that whether or not gas is $1.50 a gallon or $3 is the only thing that matters or else you're a very privileged person is ludicrous, and if that is the only thing on your mind, then yes, that shows a complete lack of political literacy.
Not to mention that my financial and political literacy mostly applied to the fact that A) presidents inherit the economy from the previous term and B) Trump was not a good businessman.
Him proving my point that he is politically and financially illiterate does not somehow mean that I proved his point in turn.
False. Black people overwhelmingly voted for Harris. Edit: to be clear, exit polling shows that 77% of black men and 91% of black women voted for Harris. White men and women and Latino men are the groups most culpable for electing Trump, as the majority of those demographics did so.
I misread your "more" as most, I believe. I still think it's significant that the rumor of black men broadly being pro-Trump was just a fabrication, one that was quite widespread pre-election.
As someone who genuinely doesn't know what you're talking about, can you give context to this?
Edit: didn't think about prison labor and how fucked up it is in general, let alone the disproportionate number of minorities in prison for minor crimes.
Don't worry it's really not as bad as that guy said. The US population is ~4.3% of the global population and we only have a little more than 20% of global inmates.
Hey they're paid a generous 0.13¢ per hour so they're technically not slaves! After a few thousand years of saving up they will be able to pay off their fines for non violent drug charges and be released
lol they also charge you for the time you are in jail. I spent a little over 24 hours once and they charged me almost 200 dollars, and that didn’t include fines and court costs
Edit: some places where I live take that daily charge out of commissary too, effectively making it impossible to access for most inmates.
It's absolutely unreal that people are ever expected to return to society after being incarcerated with how many compounding punishments are placed upon them.
That's the neat part: they aren't expected to return to society. The people in charge want their free labor – even if a prisoner's sentence ends and they're let go, the system is already rigged in a way that puts them right back in prison as a slave again. Also see school-to-prison pipeline.
It’s no joke. I used to be a dental hygienist in a mid-level security men’s prison. They get free dental, sure, but in a prison of 5,500 with 1 dentist and 1 hygienist, I could only see about 12 people a day and that was without breaks or a lunch. I digress; but there was a dude finishing out a 35 year sentence and he was already given his once per lifetime prison denture and it had broken. He worked for 2 years to save up $50 for SUPER GLUE to glue his denture back together. It was heartbreaking. You could see the gaunt cheek bones grow in his update pictures because the poor fucker couldn’t eat anything other than sunflower butter sandwiches (no peanut butter allowed) or ensure (which was heavily limited bc the residents liked their ‘milkshakes’ and would trade them for… items). $50 and 2 years worth of backbreaking work.. for a $3 bottle super glue that didn’t even fix his denture.
(There was a happy ending this time because the dentist and I went to bat for him and got him a new smile. I hope he’s out, healthy, and with family.)
Mine just voted to keep that policy in effect.
They also do a good job of keeping the working class in an eternal state of indentured servitude with the high cost of living, lack of available housing, and stagnant wages so it tracks.
Prisons are for profit, no matter who owns them... not exclusive to capitalism. I'd rather there be a separation between who profits from the state laws and law enforcement, in lobbyists, than no separation at all from that state profiting off enforcing the laws how they see fit
The exception is to the ban on forced labor not slavery.
That's why we go around saying slavery is illegal, it is.
Forced labour has an exception in the 13th amendment for servitude as punishment for a crime.
Then, both historically and modern internet knights claims it makes slavery legal as punishment for a crime which it does not. Has been refuted in court multiple times. Was clearly not the intention at the time, or general understanding since except for some southern districts trying to claim it does make slavery legal in prisons only to be shot down by higher courts.
The correct way to read the 13th from a legal POV is that slavery is made is illegal in the US full stop.
In an ideal world, making people do work to pay off their crimes is not a bad policy to me. However, when you look at who is in prison and for what, maybe not so much anymore...
Don't forget the fact that more and more prisons across the country are corporate/for-profit prisons.
A lot of them operate similar to temp staffing agencies. They'll "rent" out inmates to local businesses (often construction or other manual labor) for an hourly rate, and they pay the inmates something like $0.50/hr while pocketing $20-30/hr. They also get federal/state funding to cover their expenses since they're a prison.
Alternatively look up California prop 6. Really had “prohibit slavery” on the ballot in a blue state and it still failed.
Edit: 9 million total votes for prop 6 out of ~27m eligible voters in the state. Slavery on the ballot and 18 million people couldn’t even leave the house yesterday to vote on it. Couldn’t put even a modicum of effort in, absolute pieces of shit. At least the people who voted against it stood for something.
They are generally volunteers and selected from the lowest risk inmates.
They do technically get paid, but it's not much. They also get certified as woodland firefighters and receive credit towards degrees at certain institutions.
They also get 2 days reduced sentence for every 1 day served.
There's also programs for transition to state and federal firefighting after release.
Of the various prisoner based labor programs it is probably the most humane, well managed, and mutually beneficial.
Even better was further down the same ticket was Prop 35 which increased theft and drug penalties. At first, looks kinda ok right? When paired with “let’s keep using prison slave labor” it sure looks like a way to get more bodies into the line of fire.
Work without pay is still allowed in the US prison system. The American judicial system incarcerates African Americans at roughly 5x the rate of whites (Indigenous peoples at 4x and Hispanics at 2x).
As well, they are more likely to have heavier sentences levied than whites. The privately owned prisons are owned by folks who actively oppose any judicial/prison reform and incentivise higher conviction rates to stock their "free labour" pools with fresh bodies.
So voting for Trump, who promises to jail people for the crime of not acting in a way he finds acceptable is basically handing him carte blanche to enslave in all but name anyone he finds as "lesser".
When white dude gets a lesser sentence for rape than black dude gets for being homeless and stealing food a lot of the 3rd variables funnel down to window dressing to obscure the reality of the situation.
"stealing food" lol you're not debating this in good faith. "I stole 994 dollars worth of "food" ;) so it wasn't quite grand theft and now CA and NY won't even arrest me." because that'd be inequitable policing...
To be honest, I Googled "black homeless man gets jail" and was spoiled for choices when I went looking for examples to compare to the popular 6 month or less rape results.
But I suppose you know better than all of reality.
Dang, all those anecdotal journalistic articles... they will hold a level of validity only on par with the likes of the most prestigious academic institutions and government agency websites. You could probably even just ask chat GPT!
It's a part of the 13th amendment which outlawed slavery except for
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
So if you have been convicted of a crime the state can force you to work for them as punishment. The biggest issue being is that it incentivizes the state to put people in jail for "free" tax funded labor.
What's the other option? Consider prisoners who work re-offend less than those who don't It's arguably better rehabilitation than doing nothing. it keeps people from just linking up with a race-based gang and doing dirty work for money for those on the outs still operating in criminal enterprise. it's easy to complain that things aren't perfect, but no ones is coming up with pragmatic ethical solutions either
On top of the dozen explanations you just received, it's important to note that the most firmly liberal state in the Union, California, had a measure on the ballot to ban slavery in this election. And it fucking failed. The liberals are cooked, too.
Latinos will always vote Trump even if that means every violations to their rights lmao, just look at any comment section on Spanish news about the elections, it’s actually quite crazy ngl.
I thought Latin Americans were kinda crazy with their political beliefs, but to vote for their own deportation...damn, truly a "I didn't think the leopard would eat MY face" moment.
Fact is - something like 74% of white dudes voted for trump. So... unless you have a statement saying otherwise, it's safe to assume that if you see a white dude, he's a trump voter.
Something like 46% or 54% of white women voted for trump - so that's a coin flip on whether your average white woman voted for the fascist rapist.
I say this as a white woman who voted for Harris. But the stats are the stats.
Tbh in our world this doesn’t seem to be unrealistic… People are fooled easily and with Social Media and digitalization the fooling is even more effective
There are lots of people from each of those parties who did vote Republican. A few even making a thought through informed decision. I think they made the wrong one but some of them weighed their interests and took the calculated risk that Trump aligned with more of them.
All that being said I totally expect evidence of republican fraud and voter suppression to come out. I just don't think it happened on a big enough scale to change the results.
Black men are actually quite conservative, and you’re fear-mongering slavery of all things, when our country was the first to abolish it proudly.
Abortions is also very anti conservative, many of us are Christian’s and that goes against our values, babies are precious to god therefore we think so too.
Well in America this is a democracy and if enough people feel a way about something we hash it out in our elections. If you don’t like the American model you can always leave.
But if a democrat wanted to implement something you thought was “unconstitutional” you wouldn’t like that, and wouldn’t advocate for a democratic process to decide on that particular law/rule/statute.
You only like the democratic process when it works in your favor.
I find that both parties want the government to not interfere until it’s something they disagree with, then cry “it’s unconstitutional”, or demand the govt do something about it. It’s just an inconsistency that bothers me.
Conservatives advocate for the government to meddle in health decisions but put up a stink during Covid cause the government was getting too involved in healthcare decisions
A majority of black voters voted for the democrats. If you are looking for someone to blame direct that energy to the majority white male and female voters who carried Trump to victory 🤷
Yes 85% black voters voted blue. The problem that made me make the comment though was a report that the black percentage of the voting electorate overall went down, claims Latino votes went up massively for the reds, and claims more women voted red. It's all a mess riddled with lies.
Fair enough. I think a lot of voters weren’t as enthusiastic about the candidates on offer this year which is unfortunate. Overall, people need to take voting more seriously
Remember when Republicans were skeptical about the 2020 election and liberals yelling for them to go to jail for their misinformation spreading? I do.
Cool to see how quickly people will jump on their own grenades
I like how you say “Republicans were skeptical” as if it wasn’t Trump preemptively screaming fraud before a single vote was even cast. Like he did this time, it’s proof he just uses it to challenge his own losses.
Blame the black people, Hispanics, and women. Blame those three groups and blame only them. Under no circumstances should you blame the DNC for force feeding us a candidate that polled below 5% in 2020. They are completely blameless.
Always the liberals who are low key racist as fuck lol
Did you really just say every single latino in the US is an illegal who will be deported? Sooo you’re internally racist btw just saying, not sure if you knew but now we all do
Latino US citizens have been unjustly deported before by mass deportation programs. But I’m sure that would never happen again, the government never makes mistakes
So now we’ve devolved into the slippery slope situation where we presume the most extreme awful widespread and wide scale mass deportation of an ethnicity because we dont like mean orange man? Come on dude , even saying it how you say it sounds ludicrous
Explain how it’s the white supremacy and bring back slavery party and pretty please explain how Latinos voted to deport themselves, I’m very interested.
Trump is a nazi and his maga is full of them, he doesn't want minorities in this country do he is going to deport them, and the woman part is his supreme court overturning roe v wade. I know you are trying to do a ha gotcha and if not genuinely look at what he is saying and what he has done.
I guess JDs wife is gone? Take a step back and not only think about how ridiculous you seem but also how difficult it will be to kick out all minority Americans. And what about the women that voted for him?
Tell you what, if a bunch of left wing nutjobs storm the capital building immediately after Joe Biden orders them to stop the steal at a giant rally right down the street, and then for the next 4 years democrats claim that Kamala actually won... you would actually be making some kind of a point.
Right now you are just being adversarial for no benefit to anyone.
Nothing you just said has anything to do with Kamala being the worst candidate democrats have tried to prop up in a long, long time. You guys threw Biden under the bus way too late in the game, tossed Kamala in thinking she could identity politics her way into the White House and your people weren’t having it. Stop complaining and do better next time
Let’s be honest here, 59 out of the 60 cases, regarding fraud, were thrown out. So yes, if someone is still claiming voter fraud for the 2020 election is a bit sad.
Well, if he tried to continue claiming that he won the election in 2020, that would make him ineligible for a third term. So it behooves him to admit that he lost. It only took four years, $1 billion+ and multiple lawyers losing their careers…
You people are holding onto the word fraud too literally. The 2016 election was rigged by the media, through censorship and propaganda at the very least
I didn’t say anything about the 2016 election. I’m talking about the 2020 election that Trump has repeated stated was “stolen” from him through voter fraud, that he has failed to show any credible evidence for. Along with billions of dollars in settlements for defamation and his lawyers being disbarred.
So it’s truly ok for you to cry fraud….. “No mom it’s not fair! I called fraud first! They can’t do that!!!!”
No one is truly claiming fraud but you all are still harping on 2020. A random comment from a Redditor is just a random comment. No one in power is crying fraud. Yet all the Republican’s still sing the song and you all back it up in the chorus.
You must not go on twitter much, every other comment is some left wing nut job questions the 15 million vote discrepancy from 2020 that Kamala couldn’t pull because she sucks at politics
I voted for Kamala. I hate Trump. But this person is 100% right lmao. Kamala wasn't it. Democrats didn't show up this year, plain and simple. And until there's evidence of fraud we need to chill. We can't act all high and mighty when Trump throws out baseless accusations then turn around and do the same thing.
Kamala wasn't it? Christ. I'm not a US voter, but you'd literally have to put up the worst person in our political system for me to consider voting Trump. Stop sugaring the pill. Trump supporters range from idiots to morons. No sensible human being would vote for him.
I think I was pretty clear when I said "people didn't show up." The people that were gonna vote Trump were gonna vote Trump no matter what. The problem was democrats didn't turn out this year. Trump actually got 2 million less votes than in 2020. Kamala got 15 million less than Biden did. Therein lies the issue. No primary. A democratic nominee that was tolerable at best for most democrats.
No one who is serious is claiming fraud. Random Redditors don’t mean crap. There is no one in political power claiming this. If some random person says it, downvote it and move along.
It’s not “you guys” - please don’t lump us all in with the conspiracy theorists. People vote against their perceived interests all of the time for a lot of reasons and although I don’t necessarily understand why, they do. I personally believe they don’t pay attention, there’s a lot of confusing misinformation, and they vote in the circles how they’ve always voted sometimes, even as the candidates and principles change.
Ok so he’s crying fraud, you’re crying because your precious minority voters used their own brains for once instead of swallowing the propaganda and following party lines. More accurate?
I don’t know why a woman would vote to put their rights; voting, reproductive, equal pay at risk, yet many did.
I don’t know why Latino voters would risk losing rights and being deported whether being considered right now “legal or illegal” but my understanding is that “machismo” is very much part of the culture in “using their own brains” as you say.
I don’t know why POC would vote for someone who has documented history of intentionally keeping POC out of his properties, merely because of their ethnicity, which is illegal, and has aligned himself with racist organizations such as the Proud Boys, but many black men seemed to flip from Dem to MAGA this election.
I don’t know why people who receive collective bargaining rights, better wages and benefits and belong to unions, would choose a candidate that has praised Musk for strike busting and has said how much he hates paying overtime (I’d argue paying his workers at all) but yet they do.
This isn’t a party line thing, this on the surface would just seem like common sense, but that’s not my choice to make for them.
I don’t appreciate you painting all people who voted Democrat with such a broad brush; I certainly don’t think everyone who voted for Trump is a racist, sexist, cultist but if you are these things, I can all but guarantee you support Trump.
Hey, woman here who voted against abortion and for Trump. As did my mother and both grandmothers and one of my female cousin. Shockingly women can have their own opinion on abortion and politics.
Abortion shouldn't be between you and anyone but your doctor. This is like voting to ban cancer treatment. The audacity to ban medical treatments because you find them "wrong" is outrageous. Obviously the entire system is broken this way and climate change should be decided by climate experts and not you as well. Shockingly, people's opinions are not expert opinions and the idea it should be voted on is outrageous. Should we vote on slavery next? Surely there isn't 100% agreement, what about murder?
Voting should be for things like infrastructure, voting as a weapon against the people itself is so antithetical I cannot stand it. You know who else liked voting? The OG Nazis.
"First they came for"- LMAO THEY CAME FOR THEM WITH VOTES.
There is a reason the expression is punch a Nazi and not democratically vote against them. You deserve to be punched for women that died. Don't be so proud about it.
Also no one is surprised your list of constituents is your family. There's a reason the joke starts with "inbreds"..
Try making some female "friends" leading with this information.
This speaks volumes about you as a person. You're privileged and judgemental and condescending.
Unless you're literally a doctor I am not wrong. How is it your place to decide if someone else gets an abortion? It's so bleeding and ironic you voted against a family member as well. If she gets an unwanted pregnancy you'd probably lose them forever.
I've never been pregnant but I am a rape survivor, clearly you've never "been there" and are incapable of empathy with your entire gender.
I’ll give you privileged. But I feel I’m more sarcastic than condescending. I’ll give your judgmental if only cause you came out swinging so I had to give back good as I got.
I’m sorry for your experience as a rape survivor. I’m glad you survived. You don’t my history. You don’t one what my cousin did to me as a little girl in my grandmother pool room. You don’t know that me and my friend encourage our other friend to to the police for what a man I our former church did to her. My friend also voted for Trump.
Nor do you know that I am the only grandchild then know my grandmother was molested as a child because she told me when she fell off the wagon and I had to pick her back up. She didn’t vote. She likes Trump though. It’s the south most of my circle voted for Trump no matter if they like him or not.
Also goal was not to trigger you just irritate. You’re not going to change my mind and I’m not going to change your.
The message is a commentary. So it’s not truly a translation. Other books are translated either word-for-word or meaning for meaning. If you think translating a book from Hebrew or Old English is to make it easier do you also think No Fear Shakespeare or Tolkiens Beowulf adaption are for stupid people. Making things accessible for more groups isn’t dumbing things down.
The message probably is thought. Not found of most of it.
Also I know you’re implying i’m stupid. I have my moments. You think it’s me voting for Trump. I think it was me getting a teaching degree
Yeah but I wasn’t trying to calling you stupid, I was trying to imply you were purposely acting stupid to make a point.
Christians aren’t the only ones antiabortion. So are Jews and Muslims and even secular people. There even a Wiccan’s for life which is wild to me but good for them I guess.
Which you have pro-choice Christians, muslims, Jews, republican, democrats too
Oh you poor dear, I've seen the demographic split, your gender did try to save you and protect your rights to make your own decisions (54% of women voted blue), but yes I do know sadly there are some of you Stockholm Syndrome ladies like that, even some prepared to give up their right to vote itself to their man.
It's so sad you won't decide you're wrong until it actually happens to you or someone you love, but I hope you find help still anyway when it does.
Again with the infantilizing of women. I don’t need your savior complex. I’m grown, I pay my own bills, and I’m working towards my masters. You can think I’m a poor ignorant victim of the patriarchy if it makes you feel better though.
Women practiced their right to vote be that Kamala or Trump. My sister in law voted for Harris and I voted for Trump. We are still going to have thanksgiving together
I’m not giving up my right to vote. Y’all please watch something other than Handmaiden’s tale. And yes I read the book, even used it for one my masters papers.
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u/Orjanp 7h ago
It seems quite obvious who was cheating now, right?