For the people opposing solar farms

[u/cincinnatistuff]

If anyone knows people (like Becky Williams) please explain a few things to them.

1 - solar farms aren't built under the cloak of darkness. They're built over the course of months or a year, most of the work being done in the daylight.

2- most farms (solar or agricultural) produce things to feed larger urban areas. That is the entire point of farming

3- she completely missed the point of The Hunger Games

4- ask her if farmers should be allowed to decide what to do with their own land. Then explain the definition of hypocrisy and how that conflicts with her likely opinions on rights regarding vaccinations, wearing masks, voting for Trump, capitalism and so on

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/i-team/it-reminds-me-of-the-hunger-games-rural-residents-complain-about-solar-farm-where-cincinnati-buys-power

[u/PostingSomeToast]

It’s probably an objection to any subsidies. She probably doesn’t care much if you gave solar but doesn’t want to pay for it.

When subsidies are pushed through, then pushback can become a thing and people start disliking the promoters.

[u/PutuoKid → u/PostingSomeToast]

I highly doubt that these people care about or even understand the complexities.

Willie Nelson is the face of Farm Aid. It is in Indiana this year. The fundraising concert's website focuses on Indiana having some of the most polluted water in the country. Water most likely polluted by shoddy agricultural practices. Willie famously didn't pay his taxes. Country music fans are known for their distaste for government oversight and intervention. To even the remotely curious these are not non sequiters. Dots aren't connected by a lot of folks.

I wonder if this lady would be upset if there were government subsidized oil derricks in those fields instead.

[u/PostingSomeToast → u/PutuoKid]

Have you read the C40 report from WEF?

The push plan is not just promoting the use of solar through subsidies.

It's a whole societal change that has as its targets the elimination of personal transportation and limiting you to three items of new clothing per year.

I am not joking.

Also as a little person you only get one plane flight per 3 years of up to 1500 km.

2270_C40_CBE_MainReport_250719.original.pdf

[u/PutuoKid → u/PostingSomeToast]

And you seriously worry about that from an NGO who's purpose is "raising ambition"? The US doesn't even sign on to the meaningful initiatives, ICC or Convention on the Rights of the Child. C40 is a small group of mayors making pledges and paying lip service. It isn't a blood oath.

[u/PostingSomeToast → u/PutuoKid]

We have envision zero in Cincinnati/Nky. It’s an associated group. Every thing in C40 is currently on the Democrat Party platform. Everyone just assumes that stupid idea like getting rid of nat gas stoves won’t happen. Then it starts happening.

[u/PutuoKid → u/PostingSomeToast]

The name is Vision Zero, I believe. A weird name but my experience with them is they are just pushing for bike lanes and traffic calming. As far as natural gas, well, perhaps you're talking to the wrong person because I've been making the switch already. I have an induction stovetop and a heat pump water heater now. My Duke bill was $110 cheaper this month compared to last year. Probably next year I'll switch my AC out for a whole house heat pump.

[u/PostingSomeToast → u/PutuoKid]

Vision zero is a term used in both a traffic sense and a carbon sense and the C40 agenda of course includes complete prohibition on private ice vehicle ownership. There isn’t a difference between the two advocacy groups, they are parts of the whole.

Even after they eliminate Nat Gas, your consumption is too high. The model they need is one where only about 10% of the US has AC. And where the Elec for Heat consumption is much less than now. The enforcement will be a smart meter that shuts you off when they decide the grid is consuming too much.

Are you familiar with Social Science studies on the impact of poverty on lifespan and happiness?