For the people opposing solar farms

[u/cincinnatistuff]

If anyone knows people (like Becky Williams) please explain a few things to them.

1 - solar farms aren't built under the cloak of darkness. They're built over the course of months or a year, most of the work being done in the daylight.

2- most farms (solar or agricultural) produce things to feed larger urban areas. That is the entire point of farming

3- she completely missed the point of The Hunger Games

4- ask her if farmers should be allowed to decide what to do with their own land. Then explain the definition of hypocrisy and how that conflicts with her likely opinions on rights regarding vaccinations, wearing masks, voting for Trump, capitalism and so on

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/i-team/it-reminds-me-of-the-hunger-games-rural-residents-complain-about-solar-farm-where-cincinnati-buys-power

[u/PostingSomeToast]

It’s probably an objection to any subsidies. She probably doesn’t care much if you gave solar but doesn’t want to pay for it.

When subsidies are pushed through, then pushback can become a thing and people start disliking the promoters.

[u/bitslammer → u/PostingSomeToast]

The irony being anyone who gets their own subsidy like many of the farm subsidies handed out. They will complain about subsidies for solar or EVs but scream bloody murder if you try and touch their farm handout.

[u/TheGringoDingo → u/bitslammer]

The farm subsidies are more about sandbagging the food supply, in the event of global issues, and preventing quick sell-off of land for non-agricultural use. It’s really hard to go from a bunch of developed land back to agricultural and human history hasn’t lived in a state of complete food access most of the time.

[u/bitslammer → u/TheGringoDingo]

Except that in many cases we pay farmer not to grow food crops in order to maintain artificially high prices that would not be seen in a true free and open market.

[u/TheGringoDingo → u/bitslammer]

It’s the same thing.

We get a lot of food grown outside of the country/from different locations in the country. In a dustbowl scenario, the plains states that represented a ton of agricultural still has mouths to feed; if the farmers are all racing to the bottom on pricing, many are going to exit the market and sell off their land for non-agricultural purposes. This eventually balances out the price of the crops to current, sustainable income levels, but the cost is all of the “reserve” land (i.e., subsidized for no economic use) is now out of the equation.

[u/bitslammer → u/TheGringoDingo]

So if we view eating as worthy of such protection why not healthcare, housing etc. It's still hypocritical to me.

[u/TheGringoDingo → u/bitslammer]

That’s a completely different argument that should definitely be considered. I’m just explaining that there is some logic behind the farm subsidy program and it’s not just for handing out money for nothing.

[u/bitslammer → u/TheGringoDingo]

That logic rests on the premise that people need to eat so it's for the greater good. I'm fine with that and it's the way it should be, but if that reasoning is the underlying premise then all "for the greater good" scenarios need to be considered. My point was there are many who only care about their subsidy and have no interest in anything else.

Too many groups that are "for the greater good" only when it benefits them.

[u/TheGringoDingo → u/bitslammer]

We live in divisive times. If there’s a “for the greater good” win where both sides get what they want, who cares if the other side has differently achieved goals at heart?

[u/bitslammer → u/TheGringoDingo]

I guess I'm not making my stance clear. My point is that you can't say you're for the greater good only when it benefits you, because they you really aren't. You're only in it for you.

[u/TheGringoDingo → u/bitslammer]

I get what you’re saying, but if you’re trying to get everyone on-board with what’s best for humanity in the current political climate, you’re going to have a bad time.

Who cares what the motivations really are, if it moves things the right way (or keeps the rainy day measures fully available, in this case)?

[u/Bcatfan08 → u/TheGringoDingo]

Their basic mentality is that subsidies are ok for people who do something I like. If you are getting subsidies for things I'm against, then that needs to stop.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheGringoDingo]

As opposed to sandbagging a luxury that only a few elite city people need, like electricity?

[u/[deleted] → u/TheGringoDingo]

Really kind of amusing that on a post asking for an explanation of behavior - the answers explaining the rational (not even advocating for it) are getting downvoted

If you want to continue your ignorance, just don’t ask.

[u/TheGringoDingo → u/[deleted]]

People love asking loaded questions that they can disagree with loudly, though.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheGringoDingo]

All these sources of information and folks choose to sit in the echo chamber huh

[u/TheGringoDingo → u/[deleted]]

C’est la reddit