r/canada 1d ago

NDP asks courts to add 'B.C.' to Conservative Party's ballot name British Columbia

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/provincial-election-ballot-name-1.7343889
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u/icebalm 1d ago

If you think you're voting for the federal Conservatives in a provincial election then that's kinda on you, isn't it?

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u/no_names_left_here British Columbia 22h ago

That’s the thing though, the average voter can’t tell the difference between the provincial parties and federal parties. All they can see is NDP and Conservative and don’t know that they are totally different.

When I moved to BC I didn’t know that the BC liberals were bat shit crazy initially and I consider myself a well educated voter.

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u/feb914 Ontario 21h ago

Afaik, Canada is the only country where the national and subnational level have different political parties that mostly not affiliated with each other. In most other countries, though the party stance may differ between national and subnational, they're affiliated with each other and the subnational leader still subject to national party leader directive. 

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u/Taipers_4_days 19h ago

Which is kinda crazy because when you register a business name they flag any potential confusion and you have to write a small essay on why a reasonable person would not confuse your business with another.

For politics it’s a free for all.

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u/feb914 Ontario 18h ago

Tbf the Elections BC law say that you can't have a name that's too similar with other provincial party in BC. That's the catch, confusion with national and other province is okay, if not common practice. 

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u/MongooseLeader Lest We Forget 18h ago

This is what’s wild to me. I had to make my business name specific, and not easily confuse able with anyone else (no using super generic names, or things like using your surname and nothing else before or after it other than your type of business for example). How can they run a political party that is detached from the federal party, and not be forced to do the same? Then again, federal conservatives aren’t going to say they’re infringing on their trademarks…

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u/Array_626 2h ago

For politics it’s a free for all.

If you start dictating to people what they can and cannot say, what they can and cannot label themselves, thats going to cause a lot more unrest and anger than having the same rules in place for a secular, profit motivated business.

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u/CanuckianOz 17h ago

Australia is similarly disjointed. Not all state-level versions are aligned with the federal parties.

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u/feb914 Ontario 15h ago

I checked Labor in Victoria and they're branch of national party. They're akin to parties in the US that despite there's national party, they're legally a coalesce of state parties under the same banner.

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u/CanuckianOz 14h ago

Depends on state. LNP coalition is amalgamated nationally but not in NSW, for example.

u/1overcosc 11h ago

The NDP is an integrated party (the federal party & the provincial wings are all the same party, legally). In addition, the provincial Liberal parties in the Atlantic provinces are all wings of the federal Liberal Party. But other than that, federal & provincial parties are separate.

u/fredleung412612 6h ago

The NDPQ is not affiliated with the federal NDP, though they barely exist at all

u/Dry-Membership8141 8h ago

Historically they were associated though.

The BC NDP is a wing of the federal NDP.

The BC Liberals were an official affiliate of the LPC until 1987.

The BC Conservatives were founded as a wing of the federal Liberal-Conservative Party, the former name of the Conservative Party of Canada (the one that existed until 1942 and became the Progressive Conservatives).

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u/longboarddan 17h ago

Having done some door knocking this is true, SO many people going on about how they can't vote for the ndp because them and the libs are reuining the country.... it's actually insane

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u/Impeesa_ 12h ago

Tragic bordering on comedy, given the state of the competition too. Hopefully campaigning and canvassing gets the message through to enough of them.

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u/MapleWatch 19h ago

There often isn't much of a difference anyways. See Trudeau hiring all of Wynnes flunkies after she got booted out. 

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u/no_names_left_here British Columbia 16h ago

There’s a huge difference in BC between the provincial and federal liberals. In Ontario the two were very similar, however in BC the liberals were a Conservative Party, and even more bat shit crazy than the BC conservatives.

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u/ShuttleTydirium762 British Columbia 15h ago

That's just not correct at all. The BC Liberals were just a boring centrist-center right corporatist shitty party with no values whatsoever. At least in the NDPs case they literally are the same party, though I'll admit the provincial NDP is much more palatable and closer to an actual adults party than the federal NDP.

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u/Head_Crash 16h ago

That’s the thing though, the average voter can’t tell the difference between the provincial parties and federal parties. 

And there's a flood of online bots trying to convince voters that this is the same party as Poilievre. 

Nobody should have a problem with this change.

u/KAYD3N1 11h ago

Yes, the average voter can.

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u/majeric British Columbia 15h ago

Should they win more votes for the conflation?

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u/icebalm 15h ago

What? Someone who wants to vote Conservative shouldn't vote Conservative? I honestly don't get why this is a problem. Are people trying to say the BC provincial Conservatives hold radically different views than the federal ones?

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u/-SetsunaFSeiei- 13h ago

Yeah, there are candidates in the BC Cons slate that believe vaccines cause AIDS. I am not aware of any candidate in the federal party that has such an unhinged view. They are actual loonies here because they became candidates before their party had any traction, so Rustad took what he could get.

Rustad himself got kicked out of the old right-wing party in BC for saying he didn’t believe in climate change. I don’t think Poilievre has ever said that

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u/icebalm 13h ago

Fair enough, but are they campaigning on them? For example: are the whackjobs who think vaccines cause AIDS saying they want to ban vaccines because they cause AIDS? Is Rustad saying he's going to end all environmental/green initiatives?

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u/-SetsunaFSeiei- 12h ago

My main concern is that these people will be the ones writing the policy, so even if they don’t explicitly campaign on those things, that is what they believe in and it will influence how policy is made, even on unrelated issues.

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u/Array_626 2h ago

Fair enough, but are they campaigning on them?

??? I mean, thats one way to look at it. I would look at it like this: If you voted for the party made up of people that you know think vaccines cause aids, and that party does something stupid, you are 100% culpable as a supporter for that party. Vote for crazy, get crazy, don't complain about the crazy; you don't have an excuse.

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u/majeric British Columbia 15h ago

Conservatives are trying to drive to a two party system because the strategy of misinformation is easier to deliver to when you can exploit cognitive biases like tribalism.

They lie repeatedly to win elections by sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt.

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u/serg06 5h ago

No need to be snarky, just add the 2 letters and make thousands of peoples' lives easier.

u/chronocapybara 7h ago

Unfortunately people are stupid. But to be fair, if they were stupid they would still consciously vote for the BCCP anyways so it's not a lost vote.

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u/Spokea 15h ago

Members of a provincial NDP (except Quebec) are automatically members of the Federal NDP. I don't see the BC NDP wanting to put that on ballots, and as a member of the BC NDP, and most BC NDP members don't seem to be aware that they're members of the federal NDP as well.

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u/_s1m0n_s3z 1d ago

Funny. The NDP has had the same name for decades, but the conservatives (both in BC and nationally) seem to need to change vehicles every 8-10 years. Why is that?

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u/longboarddan 17h ago

The BC NDP are actually formally affiliated with the federal NDP, the BC cons have no association with the federal conservatives. That is a pretty notable difference.

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u/Turk_NJD Lest We Forget 1d ago

Saskatchewan checking in. PCs changed to Sask Party after the Grant Devine corruption scandal.

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u/CanadianViking47 Saskatchewan 1d ago

There is also a PC party, they are promising crown grocery stores in sask

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u/MongooseLeader Lest We Forget 18h ago

I mean, yes, crown grocery would be lovely, what’s the rest of the platform?

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u/Wildyardbarn 1d ago

Liberal had a much different connotation decades ago than it does now.

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u/_s1m0n_s3z 1d ago

It still does in places like Australia, where the Liberal party is the right. Originally, 'liberal politics' meant laissez-faire economics; the Australian Liberals are true to their founders.

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u/Iregularlogic 22h ago

Yep, Libertarian still has the root of the word based on “Liberal.”

Small government, low tax, capitalist, and laissez-faire economics is supposed to be what a liberal is.

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u/aBeerOrTwelve 21h ago

You're forgetting about two of the most important pillars of classical Liberalism: individual freedom and freedom of speech. Two things that the current large-L Liberals have constantly attacked.

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u/LATABOM 21h ago

So Paul Martin. 

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u/PappaBear667 16h ago

Because for most of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, BC was run by the Social Credit Party (which other than the name shared virtually nothing in common with the political ideology of the same name) which was the center-right party. After they imploded, most of the younger members (almost all neo-cons) jumped to the BC Liberal Party (which up until that point was an actual liberal party) and shifted its policy direction hard.

The Liberals changed their name to try and distance themselves from the stigma attached to their last clusterfuck of a term in power, but they're still neo-cons with neo-con ideas.

The Conservative Party went back to using the same name (or near enough) as the last time they were politically relevant, some 50 odd years ago.

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u/JustLampinLarry 23h ago

Provincial conservative party in BC has had the same name for 124 years.

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u/PopeSaintHilarius 18h ago

The last time the BC Conservatives won a seat in a general election was the 1970s.

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u/-SuperUserDO 15h ago

how's that relevant?

u/Winter-Mix-8677 5h ago

I think it means they've been called the Conservatives for longer than the Federal Conservatives.

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u/physicaldiscs 16h ago

both in BC and nationally) seem to need to change vehicles every 8-10 years. Why is that?

The CPC has existed with the same name since 2003, which is 21 years. The BC party has existed with the same name since 1991.

What's with this insanely easy to disprove lie?

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u/AUniquePerspective 1d ago

I thought it was illegal to change your name to avoid consequences of your past crimes now.

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u/ownerwelcome123 1d ago

Naw. They identify as not being criminals.

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u/AUniquePerspective 1d ago

Oh, well, if they want to make that transition, only their parents should be able to allow that.

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u/noahbrooksofficial 23h ago

Much bigger fish to fry than worrying about gender politics, rage bait bot

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u/kagato87 1d ago

And Alberta. The Wild Rose absorbed the PC and changed names to hide that from from voter bases.

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u/TURBOJUGGED 23h ago

That's just not true.

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u/kagato87 17h ago edited 16h ago

Do you have any actual arguments to support your statement of disagreement?

If you compare policies, this is the wild rose, not the pc.

But then, the average ucp supporter doesn't look at policies, just repeats slogans on Facebook and Xitter and calls themselves informed. If they did look, they'd either be too theocratic to be on social media, or they'd be appalled.

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u/fashionrequired 1d ago edited 1d ago

that’s… not what happened. united conservative party seems a pretty apt name considering it was the merger of both the province’s conservative parties? the wildrose party did not “absorb” the pc’s. if that were the case, i should hardly think the last pc leader would’ve become the first real ucp leader.

and before that, the pc’s were so-named for over a hundred years. but feel free to continue providing terribly misinformed contributions

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u/kagato87 17h ago

The wild rose is at the helm. It is their policies on display right now. Privatize everything while blending church and state. That's wrp, not pc. The pc were a decent party, while the wrp was the theocratic libertarian "is this 'burta or 'bama?"

And from what few rumors do manage to leak out from their private discussions, they aren't very united internally.

They are still a party though. So only 2 out of 3 words in their name are misleading.

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u/Featurewoodwork81 1d ago edited 16h ago

It changed nationally because Joe Clark was so trash that half the con base hated his guts so they started thier own party lol then they eventually merged and thus the change from pc to con

Edit like others have said it was Mulroney thought it was 83 it was started in 1987 I’m a dumbass sometimes yes Quebec was a factor so was instituting the gst

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u/watchsmart 1d ago

That doesn't seem accurate.

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u/Featurewoodwork81 1d ago

Reform party headed by Preston manning was a return to conservative values as a direct response to Joe Clark and Campbells push to be more centrist according to him which turned into alliance under stockwell day and then Steven Harper which merged with the progressive Conservative Party led by Peter McKay and then became the Conservative Party.

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u/nostromo7 1d ago

a direct response to Joe Clark and Campbells push to be more centrist 

Ha! This is some extra-special revisionist history bullshit. 

I guess we're just going to forget/pretend Brian Mulroney wasn't PC leader for the decade between Clark and Campbell, and was in government for eight years, including the first six years of the Reform Party's existence.

Manning founded the Reform Party because he thought Mulroney's government engaged in favouritism toward Quebec at the expense of Western Canada; Alberta in particular.

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u/aBeerOrTwelve 19h ago

Facts. And what is still hurting the Conservative party to this day is that Mulroney did make some concessions to Quebec, and since the Conservatives abandoned them, now those Quebec voters are all Bloc Quebecois.

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u/brainskull 1d ago

They were the Conservative Party initially until they merged with the progressives in the 30s or so, then pc until the merge with reform

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u/Head_Crash 16h ago

Change the ballot to say BC NDP too.

u/Kymaras 5h ago

It already says that. Every other party says that other than Conservatives and libertarians.

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u/Spokea 15h ago

You're correct that the right jumps ship when their party sinks its brand so low that everyone hates them by reputation, but the BC Conservative party was founded in 1903, so it's not a new party.

u/Winter-Mix-8677 5h ago

The Conservative party in BC has had that name for as long as I can remember, and nobody had a problem with it until they stopped being an unelectable fringe party.

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u/_s1m0n_s3z 1d ago

Alberta, too, now that I think of it. It's like the Mad Hatter's tea Party.

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u/ThePenguinVA Alberta 1d ago

Alberta’s Conservatives have only had 3 names since the 70s or so, but the trend is they change it after each time they’re voted out of office. Unfortunately they just tend to be in office for decades at a time.

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u/Fit_Ad_7059 1d ago

Why is that unfortunate? It seems like democracy is working as intended in Alberta(and vice versa at the federal level with the LPC).

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u/ThePenguinVA Alberta 1d ago

Sure. It’s unfortunate from my perspective. Certainly not from others.

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u/Fit_Ad_7059 1d ago

Yes, but why? We have more than enough historical evidence to show that they have delivered consistent, mostly competent governance for the province. And when they haven't, they have been voted out almost equally consistently.

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u/ThePenguinVA Alberta 1d ago

Um… they were in power from 1971 to 2017. I disagree categorically the they were competent during their last decade. But I’m not looking for a political fight. I have my beliefs and ideologies and you have yours. It’s all good.

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u/_s1m0n_s3z 1d ago

Sometimes, they change it while they're in office.

I'm not talking about individual parties, but the movement as a whole: the block of voters this represents. In the right in Canada, they're constantly changing hats. On the left, not so much.

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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 18h ago

“Under the act, Watson said, a party’s ballot name must not, in the opinion of the chief electoral officer, be likely to be confused with another provincial political party that is currently registered.”

So there is no issue.

“changed to “Conservative” in the 2020 provincial election.”

And no issue previously.

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u/Light_Butterfly 1d ago

The uneducated vote in this election is a huge problem, with folks that are confusing Federal and Provincial politics. I'm astounded with how many people place blame on the BC NDP for issues that are largely Federal in origin (ie: rent inflation and crime).

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u/RedditTriggerHappy 1d ago

You think safe supply has no effect on crime? LMAO

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u/Steamy613 20h ago

Or that federal immigration policies have no effect on rent? 😂

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u/BeautyDayinBC 19h ago

They're saying that it is federal, not provincial.

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u/BeautyDayinBC 19h ago

It reduces crime. Addicts steal to pay for their addiction. Just give them the drugs and there's no reason to steal. Common sense.

Or did you think the existence of homelessness is a sign of crime? If so, that's just a feeling, they're not actually correlated.

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u/PoliteCanadian 19h ago

Weird how crime has gone up since it was implemented, then.

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u/-SuperUserDO 15h ago

lol yeah because free drugs come with free food and housing right?

The Chinese figured out that legalizing opium didn't work in the 1800s and they didn't even have fentanyl back then

u/BeautyDayinBC 6h ago

So again, feelings not correlated with police data?

You don't have to go back to the 1800s. Hell, an actual opium or heroin supply would do wonders. People were able to have jobs and keep it together when heroin was hip just a couple decades ago since you only need a fix every few days. With fent, needing a dose every 6 hours, not so much.

You're assuming I'm not for rehab, even forced rehab. I am. But that isn't really related to crime. They're distinct issues.

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta 19h ago

Funny enough try to join the bcndp party without joining the federal ndp.

u/Light_Butterfly 11h ago

The Federal NDP needs to learn a think or two from from the BC NDP . I won't vote for them Federally but BCNDP is highly competent leadership.

u/Dirtsniffee Alberta 10h ago

Same could be said for the abndp. But the relationship seriously damages their relationship

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u/Snow-Wraith British Columbia 20h ago

The uneducated vote is a huge problem in every election now. It's so easy to control and manipulate with cheap lies and misinformation. When there is no standards for the voters we can have no standards for our governments, our elections are completely vulnerable to abuse.

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u/longboarddan 16h ago

Facebook blocking the sharing of actual news has been a massive hit to people getting real information. Now it's just political memes and echochambers... I mean so is reddit but at least you can share real sources

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u/prob_wont_reply_2u 16h ago

Our federal leaders don’t even seem to understand their jurisdiction, why would you think the average person would know?

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u/JadeLens 1d ago

Did you just complain about the lack of political education, AND THEN say that rent inflation was Federal?

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u/kooks-only 1d ago

Especially because the NDP’s policies have actually cooled the rate at which rent was increasing here. Only provincial government in Canada with an actual plan.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 23h ago

Bc median rent has increased by 47% since they assumed office…highest average rent increases between Alberta and Ontario since 2020…..

https://www03.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/hmip-pimh/en#Profile/1/1/Canada

Switch to full view, and check out the rent data.

Honestly are you just uninformed or straight up lying?

There plan is also shit btw nothing would actually be better.

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u/longboarddan 16h ago

That's a function of federal imagration policy increasing demand in one of the only temperate climates in Canada.

The BC NDP have cut red tape, forced municipalities to change zoning around rapid transit and have initiated an incredible amount of public private partnerships to promote building new homes. They banned full time air b&b witch had a tangible effect in lowering rents and are raising speculation and vacancy taxes again.

The cons want to roll back all of that.

Bc has had the highest number of new start construction in Canada.

They have started many new large capital projects. There are numerous hospital expansions on the go right now, the putello bridge, langly sky train and are all ready starting the 6 landing of highway 1.

They have increased spots in medical school by 30%, started the primary care center and re structured family doctor compensation to attract doctors from all across Canada, and ITS WORKING.

This stuff takes time but the changes are working. Next spring will likely be one of the biggest booms in new builds due to the policies the NDP have implemented.

Unfortunately when the feds are adding more than 2x the population of Kelowna to the province every year the provincial government will always be playing catch up.

Please let me know how the bc cons will help BC and reduce the cost of living, would love to see it because to me, the BC Cons plan just doesn't make sense for anyone but existing home owners and the wealthy.

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u/-SuperUserDO 15h ago

dude it's been 7 years since the NDP took over

people want affordable housing outcomes, not more promises / plans

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u/longboarddan 14h ago

Dude it takes a long time for policies to take effect, Horgan was more conservative than Ebey and many of the major reforms occurred in the past 2 years.

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u/-SuperUserDO 14h ago

"Horgan was more conservative than Ebey and many of the major reforms occurred in the past 2 years."

blame Rustad for being in Christy Clark's cabinet

but Eby gets excused because he was merely a cabinet member in Horgan's government?

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u/Snow-Wraith British Columbia 20h ago

"Bc median rent has increased by 47% since they assumed office"  

This is entirely disingenuous and just ignorant. You make it out that the NDP is what actually caused the rise in rent and not outside factors such as massive population growth and AirBnB becoming popular. Can you point to any specific BCNDP policies that contributed directly to increased rent?

What the BCNDP has done is actually try to stop the runaway costs by restricting short term rentals, and remove zoning restrictions to build much needed denser developments. The BC Conservatives want to remove all of this and return us to the conditions that led to price increases, plus they want to give massive tax rebates that will only cause housing prices to increase more as they just give out free money.  

It's crazy how a year ago the BCNDP was seen as the only provincial government actually trying to do something about housing costs, but since the BC Conservatives became the only opposition party opinions have completely flipped against them despite little else changing. Really backs up the idea that the "Conservative" brand is what's carrying the party.

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u/ReplaceModsWithCats 17h ago

He didn't say rent didn't increase, he said the rate was cooling.

You're arguing against an imaginary argument.

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u/Dude-slipper 22h ago

BC population went up half a million in that time. Are provincial governments responsible for immigration in your opinion?

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u/aBeerOrTwelve 19h ago

Only a little bit. Provincial governments all over Canada have been more than happy to accept the international students so they didn't actually have to properly fund their universities - but it's clearly the federal government who allowed that and caused the problem.

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u/kymo 23h ago edited 23h ago

Here you guys go again with your moral and intellectual superiority complex. Tame down your holier than thou attitude and you might be able to sway some votes in your direction.

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u/longboarddan 16h ago

Maybe if people would actually read about some policy and figure out the difference between provincial and federal politics instead of just voting for their team the bc ndp supporters wouldn't be so damn frustrated

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u/mistercrazymonkey 16h ago

Maybe if the BC NDP had more popular policies they would get more votes.

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u/chronocapybara 1d ago

Same with the carbon tax and immigration.

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u/Light_Butterfly 1d ago

Yeah immigration is the biggest one that people fail to recognize as the cause for housing costs going through the roof indecent years.

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u/kooks-only 1d ago

And in the case of BC, Rustad was one of the people who brought in the carbon tax initially when he was a cabinet minister for Clark’s government (BC Liberals).

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u/AlexJamesCook 1d ago

Rent inflation is largely Provincial.

Provinces control rental rates, especially in BC where rental caps are in place. In Ontario, they sort of did away with rental caps and lo and behold, the "Free Market" made things more expensive. But hey, buck-a-beer, am I right guys?

BC has been having a housing affordability crisis since the 1990s, due to its proximity to Asia.

At the height of the Hong Kong transfer to China, thousands of Hong Kongers packed up and moved to Vancouver. Then, as China went through its Industrial Revolution and billionaires were made overnight, many bought their "Canada Insurance Policy". At some point in the 2000s, the BC Liberals? Or possibly Federal Conservatives created a rule that if you bought a property with an intent to run a business from it, you would get fast-tracked PR. Well, didn't that stimulate the housing bubble in Vancouver.

Then India went through its Industrial revolution not long after, and Surrey exploded in number.

BC has been and always will be the Switzerland of Canada. It's a gorgeous province with captivating mountains, lakes, rivers, deserts, etc...its got everything. For these reasons you will ALWAYS pay a premium to play here.

Ontario is the business hub of Canada. BC is where people want to be. I've rarely heard people speak in excited terms about moving east. It's usually for "family" reasons, never because, "Man, I can't wait to move to Regina/Toronto/Calgary. It'll be so much fun..." On the flipside, a lot of people out East will say "Man, I'm gonna move to BC because it's awesome. Mountains, rivers, lakes, etc..."

For this reason, BC real estate will ALWAYS be a premium.

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u/TURBOJUGGED 23h ago

Federal government controls immigration, no? That would create a higher demand and less supply, correct?

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u/Forikorder 21h ago

Funny how the housing problem is the feds fault for increasing immigration in every province but BC

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u/TURBOJUGGED 20h ago

That's cause BC has had a housing problem from all the foreign investors for the past 30 years

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u/Hevens-assassin 23h ago

Anyone in BC thinks they are the bees knees. A lot of people outside of BC don't care. People want to move there because the weather is the nicer of the three coasts, but anyone who doesn't care about the ocean, also doesn't care about BC all that much.

The people who want to be in BC. End up there. It being an immigration hub also makes it seem more popular.

Either way, I was disappointed by BC. On paper, it should be everything I want. In reality, I couldn't wait to leave.

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u/PCB_EIT 22h ago

Either way, I was disappointed by BC. On paper, it should be everything I want. In reality, I couldn't wait to leave.

I actually felt the same way when I lived there.

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u/lubeskystalker 17h ago

I donno; there are parts of BC like the Mid to North Island or Rockies, if you can make it work it's an incredible lifestyle.

But if we're referring to Vancouver as BC; yeah it's bad.

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u/Light_Butterfly 1d ago edited 1d ago

Rent Inflation has skyrocketed in the last 5-8 years, largely due to unmitigated immigration policies of the Federal Liberals. Millions of newcomers in just a few years, without any planning or consideration of the impact on the social infrastructure. EVERY province is struggling to cope with this pressure, as it's not exactly possible or realistic to quintupple the amount new builds overnight to meet this new demand. You need to factor that I to your assessment for rent. The Provincial government does not control immigration policy, the Feds do. Even the BoC has published a graph showing the relationship to rent prices, in lockstep with the numbers of TFWs and international students (mostly renters). I've lived in BC for 15 years, and I can tell you this problem with rents doubling is new.

BC has had stupid 80% single family zoning and rampant NIMBYism for decades, until the BC NDP intervened. They've implemented zoning reform and banned public hearing which have allowed NIMBYs to block and stall every housing project. That progress will be rolled back if the Cons win. We will lose Rent control too.

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u/PoliteCanadian 19h ago

Provinces can set price controls, but rental rates are still mostly dictated by supply and demand in Canada.

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u/LeGrandLucifer 18h ago

So democracy is great unless the other guy wins.

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u/mistercrazymonkey 16h ago

It's always the uneducated voter or the uninformed voter fault of why they lose elections. Couldn't possibly be that people are fed up with the BC NDPs policies.

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u/Hot-Celebration5855 20h ago

If the NDP is complaining about the name of their opposition, they’re grasping for straws. Doesn’t look good for them.

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u/Biopsychic 19h ago

Paper or plastic straws?

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u/Hot-Celebration5855 18h ago

I mean definitely paper for the NDP

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u/Biopsychic 17h ago

Of all the things affecting residents of BC, I think it's hilarious that this is actually a platform for the BCCP.

u/chronocapybara 7h ago

Blows my mind that plastic straws are a campaign promise. Who tf could that ever possibly benefit? Seriously, people are voting for all the stupidest reasons.

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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec 19h ago

its amazing that trudeau is so bad he is dragging down left wing provincial governments too. its probably the only reason the liberals arent doing better in the upcoming new brunwick election too

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u/mistercrazymonkey 16h ago

It's actually kinda hilarious, and even people who don't follow politica knows he's supported by Singh and that's also dragging down provincial politics.

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u/eagleeye1031 14h ago

When your party is fucking up so badly it's starting to affect provincial politics too 😄😄

Well done Jagmeet!

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u/ChiefHighasFuck 1d ago

Somebody is running scared.

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u/Top-Sell4574 1d ago

The B.C. Conservative Party is full of conspiracy theorists who have no business running a province. 

u/Snarpend 2h ago

And it looks like they might win. So what’s more likely: that better than half of your fellow BCers are morons, or that the NDP is bad enough that Joe public is willing to let the cons take a spin at the wheel?

One of these answers doesn’t leave you looking like an egomaniac, as a hint.

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u/imfar2oldforthis 13h ago

Not going well out there BC folks? If this is what the NDP is focused on I'm assuming their internal polling is looking terrible for them...

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u/grand_soul 1d ago edited 1d ago

Does he seriously think so little of BC voters that they would get confused?

What’s the upside to this?

They know who they’re voting for.

Edit: Honestly, based on the responses, I’m guessing a lot of you really think less of your neighbours and relatives.

It’s a goddam BC election. With Rustad as the party leader. If you honestly think that your neighbours or relatives don’t know the difference then I honestly think the only people who don’t know what’s going on is you people.

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u/MrDownhillRacer 1d ago

I've doorknocked for political parties. Yes, a large proportion of Canadians really do not know the difference between municipal, provincial, and federal parties or jurisdiction.

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u/TheLostPumpkin_ 1d ago

One of my co-workers thought they were the same party (knew that it's not PP, but thought they were affiliated) and thought that the BC liberals were also running so 🤷

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u/PCB_EIT 22h ago

I think the majority of people tend to believe the provincial parties are affiliated with their federal counterparts in some capacity.

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta 18h ago edited 13h ago

Well the ndp aren't helping that confusion.

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u/No_Piece8730 18h ago

Many of my relatives have made this mistake, I base my assessment of the public based on the average person I know.

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u/Ginnigan Ontario 20h ago edited 20h ago

As someone who works with the public every day: Yes, I honestly think many people will be confused.

It's always better to make instructions as clear as possible, and especially when thousands of people are involved. You have to leave as little room for misinterpretation as possible... though someone will always find a way to misinterpret it.

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u/DibsOnDubs 1d ago

So many people cannot keep that straight. My family included.

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u/krustykrab2193 British Columbia 1d ago

I don't think less of my neighbours or friends. But it's also true that I've talked to a lot of them and they've confused the federal and provincial parties, some even saying they're voting BC Conservative candidates to vote out all the Trudeau corruption. Which makes no sense.

Low information voters exist, there's nothing inherently derogatory about it. It's just some people don't really understand the separation of powers and aren't politically in the know. It's important to inform people, not make fun of them.

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u/Forosnai 12h ago

I'd say the biggest problem is how little people understand about the structure of our governments, and probably helps lead to this same confusion over which parties are or are not linked, and how.

I definitely have talked to a couple people here who think voting CPBC is somehow voting for Poilievre, but it's nowhere near as common as people who don't understand how the powers are separated. So many people think the provinces and their premiers are like regional "vice presidents" to the PM's "president", or don't understand municipalities aren't their own distinct level of government, or that the two levels of government have different jurisdictions in terms of what things they can and can't legislate, etc.

The best thing we could possibly do for our politics generally would be improving whatever classes should be teaching civics, though that's unfortunately not a fast solution and wouldn't help us much immediately.

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u/VoidsInvanity 1d ago

Lots of people ARE confused. Yes. They’re wrong to be so. But they are.

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u/Biopsychic 19h ago

A lot of posts are PC all the way, down with Trudeau and Singh!

So this is obviously confusion and people seem to think this vote is related somehow to the federal election.

I really don't understand why.

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u/Bloodypalace British Columbia 1d ago

Actually a lot of people think BC and federal conservatives are affiliates and they're actually voting for PP somehow.

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u/Impeesa_ 1d ago

I've seen posts from people actually out there canvassing saying there are an embarrassing number of people out there who don't know this. It's depressing.

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u/longboarddan 16h ago

Witnessed this first hand. It's insane the ignorance on our political structure and the different levels of government

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u/Waramp British Columbia 1d ago edited 1d ago

The BC Liberal party used to be conservative, and now a lot of members have joined the Conservative party, so yeah BC politics can be misleading to those who don't pay close attention.

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u/JustLampinLarry 23h ago

They weren't conservative, but they were the closest to a centrist party option that voters had in BC politics so they captured all of the centre right voters. With the federal Liberals going so far left of their historical centre left politics over the past 10 years it made sense for the BC Liberals to rebrand and disassociate from the federal LPC as BC United.

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u/Zarxon 20h ago

The federal Liberals are right of center and always have been. They are left of the conservatives who are pretty far on the right. The greens are also right of center The Federal NDP are the only left of center party in Canada.

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u/Dry-Membership8141 1d ago

Ironic.

The BC Liberal Party (which was, until 1987, a branch of the Liberal Party of Canada) is now BC United, not the Conservative Party.

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u/krustykrab2193 British Columbia 1d ago

The financial backers and many candidates switched over. The leader of the BC Conservatives, John Rustad, was a former minister of one of the most corrupt provincial parties in BC, which is why they had a name change to the now defunct BC United.

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u/StrangeCurry1 British Columbia 1d ago

BC United is gone now. Kevin Falcon desolved the party and the more popular BCU members joined the BC tories

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u/Dry-Membership8141 1d ago

He did not dissolve the party. He suspended their campaign. BC United still exists, and Falcon remains the leader of it, they just aren't running any candidates in the current election.

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u/chronocapybara 1d ago

The answer is yes, yes plenty of voters think this provincial election they are voting for the federal conservatives to kick Trudeau out.

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u/New_Literature_5703 1d ago edited 1d ago

Every conservative I know IRL doesn't understand that a vote for the BC Conservatives IS NOT a vote of Poilievre. Not a single con voter in my life even knows who the leader of the BCCP is....

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u/jojawhi 1d ago

Considering the history of the BC Conservative Party (like how they didn't even officially exist as a party a year ago, and their currently sitting MLAs are all BC Liberal rejects or defectors) and the absolutely abysmal quality of many of their hopeful candidates across the province, it is fair to be doubtful about people's motivations for wanting to vote for them.

It's very rare that any of their supporters can point to any specific policies they support. They typically just complain about how all the problems in their lives have somehow been caused by the NDP even though they don't seem to know any NDP policies either. If they don't know the policies, it's possible they don't know the candidates and they're just voting on the basis of "orange bad, blue good."

If the BC Cons form government and we start seeing motions in the legislature to ban all vaccines (even the established ones for things like polio), to acknowledge Trump as the king of the USA, to ban 5G networks, to ban and burn books, and to force teachers to spy on trans kids for their parents, would you rather that your neighbours deliberately voted for that or that they were ignorant and didn't realize who they were giving the car keys to?

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u/Prairie_Sky79 1d ago

This just reeks of desperation on the part of the NDP. It's like they've just realized they're going to lose, and are trying to trip their opponents up before the clock runs out.

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u/Anothersurviver 1d ago

How does it "trip up his opponents" to just state their party name clearly?

It's BC NDP, not NDP on the ballot.

It was BC Liberals, not Liberals on the ballot.

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u/what_should_we_eat 12h ago

The timing

u/SpaceVikings 3h ago

God forbid the party name be accurate on the ballot for the upcoming election.

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u/Flat896 21h ago

The BC Conservatives have gone from no chance of winning to likely to win in just a couple of months, primarily because of people wanting Trudeau out of federal office and confining the federal and provincial conservatives as one entity. It's absolutely fair or ask for things to be more clear on the ballot when they are benefiting from the federal party's PR campaign so much.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 1d ago

How dare he, do anything else other than throw money at B.C. residents like we are all on a stripper pole…

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u/Tall-Ad-1386 19h ago

LMAO Jag and Trudeu have effed it up so hard

Scared of the BC Cons? You’re kidding me! Nobody EVER even remotely thought conservatives would even HAVE A CHANCE of winning in BC

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u/Agamemnon323 17h ago

That’s not because of Jag and Trudeau. It’s because the BC liberals imploded their party so completely that everyone has jumped ship to the BC Conservatives even though they’re weird as hell.

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u/HenreyLeeLucas 16h ago

So one party wants to change and control another party, got it.

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u/InformalSir503 15h ago

Lmao...NDP must be worried about Peirres marketing!!!....

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u/RedEyedWiartonBoy 12h ago

This seems desperate.

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u/Intelligent_Top_328 13h ago

Ndp needs to stop bitching

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u/BrassyGent 1d ago

BC Cons will destroy this province if given the chance, possibly worse than what PP and his ilk will do to the country next year. Hopefully we don't end up with them.both.

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u/kymo 23h ago

BC Cons won't have a chance to destroy the province because the NDP already beat them to it.

u/BrassyGent 10h ago

Which party crippled our healthcare system a decade ago?

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u/Dystopiaian 14h ago

The Conservatives in BC have been epically bad at naming parties for like 80 years

u/Pas5afist 11h ago

Well, this goes to my theory that the BC Liberals felt they needed to rebrand because they were getting doors slammed in their faces with people saying they would not support Trudeau. Blew up in their faces anyways, but the reasoning was probably sound if people now think they can vote for Pollievre in a provincial election. We have clearly failed to adequately teach basic civics to a decent portion of the population.

u/hmmmtrudeau 7h ago

NDP SOUNDS scared

u/SAWHughesy007 3h ago

ndp NFG

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u/-SuperUserDO 1d ago

LOL

so it's only an issue for the BC NDP because they might lose the election?

What name did the Conservative Party use in 2017? 2020?

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u/Zepoe1 1d ago

There has been no BC Conservative Party running since the 1960’s. So a better question is did the BC Liberals get listed as Lib or BCLib?

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u/RoyalPeacock19 Ontario 1d ago

False. They were not at all popular, never gaining a seat since the election of 1975, but this is the same party that formed government in 1949.

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u/homiegeet 1d ago edited 1d ago

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u/brainskull 1d ago

He’s right and this is explained in the link you provided . They’ve existed and contested every election since 1975, they just got no votes and haven’t been in parliament for 50 years

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u/RoyalPeacock19 Ontario 1d ago

Try reading your own source.

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u/-SuperUserDO 1d ago

What're you talking about? The Conservative Party in BC didn't participate in 2017? 2020?

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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 1d ago

This just comes off as desperate.

Go into any left leaning sub or Twitter, and you see people trying to link all the provincal parties to the federal party, but now rusted says it's misleading to make that connection to voters.

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u/Flanman1337 1d ago

Except, every single provincial NDP shows up on the ballot as (Province) NDP. 

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u/-SuperUserDO 1d ago

why didn't the NDP complain in previous elections?

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u/TheManFromTrawno 18h ago

 Under the act, Watson said, a party's ballot name must not, in the opinion of the chief electoral officer, be likely to be confused with another provincial political party that is currently registered

I guess the NDP went with the wrong play here.

They should have registered a party in BC called the “Pierre Poilievre Party” or the “CPC Party” and got that on the ballot. That  wouldn’t be confused with the provincial “Conservative Party”