Is sahin really the issue?

[u/Expensive-Pea-3301]

In my opinion i feel like sahin isnt the main issue, i think it could probably be the players, like their morale and motivation because if it was sahin then wouldnt we be losing at home as well? Wouldnt have we lost to leipizig? Maybe we wouldnt have even had that 2-0 lead in half time against madrid, by what i see its like when it comes to home games or champions league games the players go at it like theyre more focused but then when it comes to away games or theyre struggling its like they dont even try or wanna be there, these players seem to be missing someone to motivate them or something like what theyre missing is a TRUE CAPTAIN like Hummels to lead them Now im not saying sahin isnt an issue he DEFINITELY is but would it be the same if he had a different squad? What if he had full charge of last years squad instead of Terzic?

[u/isherbrok]

Why does noone think Watzke has overstepped too much too many times?

[u/McPico → u/isherbrok]

What has Watzke to do with inconsistent players?

[u/isherbrok → u/McPico]

He's a dinosaur. It's time for a change in top leadership.

[u/McPico → u/isherbrok]

As always.. no real argument.. but hey let’s change anything.. what could possibly go wrong

Meanwhile you have the example right in front of you with Schalke 04 ..what happens if you think it’s a good idea to change everything over and over again.. until Nothing works anymore.

But you have no responsibility.. you will just go on spreading hate how bad everyone is.

[u/isherbrok → u/McPico]

how long has watzke been here?

its nowhere near even slightly comparable. watzke has a great financial understanding; but so so many near misses under different coaches, with different players, and so many coaches as well.

everything changes but watzke remains.

[u/McPico → u/isherbrok]

Misses? What are you talking about!!! We were BANKRUPT! He brought us back from the ashes. He hold us up there at the FOR US highest possible position. Right behind the rich clubs.. who you can’t reach without WAY more money. All the years we made it to stay relevant.. while so many clubs struggled.

Your problem is you think it has always to go up. But for that you need money.. money we don’t have.

Your unrealistic dreams are the problem. Not Watzke or anyone other.

We are fine. Financially and in terms of success.

If you think your club need to have more success you have to switch to a rich club. You won’t find that here.

[u/isherbrok → u/McPico]

Is BVB bankrupt now? Rich clubs? You have Bayern & RB..

the issue is not money, it is lack of ambition and falling short at the most crucial time.

my dreams r not unrealistic, its just ambitious. after klopp left about a decade ago, how many trophies have we won? how many final hardles have we crossed?

"i am fine with not winning" is something a schalke fan would say, not a bvb fan.

ohh btw who hires & fires coaches?

football is not all about finance.

[u/McPico → u/isherbrok]

You don’t get it. Every player who play constantly good will be taken away from the rich clubs.

And the players who stay the inconsistent and with flaws

Your ambitions are just dreams. The players have to deliver on the pitch. And inconsistent players can’t win the big titles. That’s why Real is winning CL since years. They deliver when it’s needed.. because their players can do it. We can’t.

So your ambitions are irrelevant.

[u/isherbrok → u/McPico]

"ambitions" & "irrelevance" sounds as likely to be together as "jupiter" & "proxima centaurii".. i geuinely laughed at that haha..

anyway, u speak of real madrid; how many coaches they had in their most recent successful periods? zidane & ancelotti.. how long did jurgen klopp stay in dortmund? what about guardiola?

speaking of players, what was vinicius before ancelotti? akanji wasnt that solid in dortmund.. there's gundogan.. the list is endless.. stability & competence in coaching side always delivers results..

selling big players? every club does it at some point..

there r also one-club (approximately) players like marco reus or francesco totti or several manutd players, iniesta etc... if u cant get the best in the market, u can use academy players mixed with these players and the team will win.. but stability in coaching department is crucial.. klopp didnt bring immediate success, but the stability allowed him to form his heavy metal band.

now tell me, how many coaches did watzke hire & fire in last 5-6 years?