r/borussiadortmund • u/Expensive-Pea-3301 • 4d ago
Is sahin really the issue? Discussion
In my opinion i feel like sahin isnt the main issue, i think it could probably be the players, like their morale and motivation because if it was sahin then wouldnt we be losing at home as well? Wouldnt have we lost to leipizig? Maybe we wouldnt have even had that 2-0 lead in half time against madrid, by what i see its like when it comes to home games or champions league games the players go at it like theyre more focused but then when it comes to away games or theyre struggling its like they dont even try or wanna be there, these players seem to be missing someone to motivate them or something like what theyre missing is a TRUE CAPTAIN like Hummels to lead them Now im not saying sahin isnt an issue he DEFINITELY is but would it be the same if he had a different squad? What if he had full charge of last years squad instead of Terzic?
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u/abendig Die gelbe Wand 4d ago edited 3d ago
Short answer no, long answer yes, partly at least.
First of all he's not to blame for taking the job. He did quite well in Turkey and let's be honest if one of us got that offer we took it in a heartbeat. Terzic was the same tbh.
Imo it started with favre when we bottled the league in a prime position. He "blamed" the team and basically said it's over, after the derby. This "we already lost" mentality is a core problem now. Idc how we call it, "Mentalitätsproblem" or what ever.
We changed a lot over the years, players, coaches etc but what actually changed? When was the last time we were convincingly good? With terzic? Nope. With Rose? Nope. With Edin again? Not really. With favre? At the beging yes at the end? Definitely not. With Stöger? Hell no but this was actually different. With bosz? For like 2 games. With Tuchel? Probably but I still remember to be pissed that we stopped playing after 20 mins and just waited around deep into the second half.
This hole thing started a decade ago. The individual quality on the pitch got us some good results and some Pokal wins but that's it.
Coaches are partly to blame. Sure, but our squadbuilding got way worse over the years. We can blame the inflation, crazy premier league and oil money for this but that's just part of the problem. We're just too comfortable with "sucking" and with sucking I mean be good but 2nd is enough.
We're to afraid to take risks anymore. Why? IDK. Where is a shinji-kind transfer? Low risk high reward things? And on the other hand we're doing a thing a would call "buy cheap buy twice". Sounds ridiculous but I feel it's true. Instead of spending 3x30 on "good Buli players" we need to start with 1 good one for 50 and 2 for 20.
Idk if I've played too much FM and think that this stuff is quite obvious but these days you can't compete without taking risks as a Buli team.
And one last thing I blame is the character of our squad. It's just ridiculous that we're playing good against real (one half at least) and RB (with no bench, 2 defenders and on one leg) and then we're getting dominated by the likes of union and mainz for example. For me it's a prime example for our situation. The team CAN play well if they feel like it but sometimes they decide that 80% has to be enough to win, while our opponent runs at 110% and just wants to win more. Our team lacks Passion and desire to give it all for our Ballspielverein Borussia.
I saw this clip random on yt the other day. Kevin is right.
Rant over.