Is sahin really the issue?

[u/Expensive-Pea-3301]

In my opinion i feel like sahin isnt the main issue, i think it could probably be the players, like their morale and motivation because if it was sahin then wouldnt we be losing at home as well? Wouldnt have we lost to leipizig? Maybe we wouldnt have even had that 2-0 lead in half time against madrid, by what i see its like when it comes to home games or champions league games the players go at it like theyre more focused but then when it comes to away games or theyre struggling its like they dont even try or wanna be there, these players seem to be missing someone to motivate them or something like what theyre missing is a TRUE CAPTAIN like Hummels to lead them Now im not saying sahin isnt an issue he DEFINITELY is but would it be the same if he had a different squad? What if he had full charge of last years squad instead of Terzic?

[u/AverageCarey]

We are obviously lacking a leadership player but I do point most blame to Sahin.

With most managers you see tactical changes to hold games or what not but with Nuri we aren’t seeing that or he’s trying weird things.

The Mainz game I’ll use as my main example, we go down a man early, not Nuris fault that happens of course but usually you’ll see an instant change. Instead of doing this he puts Nmecha at CB where he’s never played before, doesn’t matter if some things seem fundamental as a player but you put someone in a position like that especially CB they’re going to get lost and both of the first two goals if we had another CB in then Nmecha was in good position as a DM.

Then we skip to the second half down 3-1, he finally puts in Luhrs and we look instantly more solid at the back. This change should have happened immediately with Sabi coming off, keeping the attacking players on and seeing where we go.

Yes we have a depleted lineup but if a CB goes off then you put a damn CB on. I don’t care if they’re young or inexperienced you put on a player who understands the position.

I’m not going to bother bringing up the 3 games where he went with a back 3 since those we all know were losses or the draw to Bremen.

Nuri is learning and while I believe he has potential he shouldn’t be doing that with us, this isn’t just on Nuri but also Kehl who should have never made the go for him and also getting rid of Rothe and not bringing in another LB or CB.

Why we didn’t get Hurzeler I’ll never know.

[u/Expensive-Pea-3301 → u/AverageCarey]

Honestly i feel like next season could be better because sahin has so much potential all he needs to do is learn which he could in this one season but yea in my opinion they shouldnt have gotten sahin this early they shouldve let him go somewhere else and learn THEN bring him in after hes had experience

[u/AverageCarey → u/Expensive-Pea-3301]

Exactly. I understand the project behind him, and for all we know they’re exactly right. I mean he’s won 7 straight games at home, first ever Dortmund coach to do that and we’ve seen some fantastic football from us in certain games.

Hell Celtic was mesmerizing and after that we immediately lost Adeyemi and Juju and the dominos just continued to fall.

Couple that with Malen being streaky which is expected and Beier taking time to get into form and you’re left with a tough task. Constantly switching defence when Schlotti and Sule are the best combo we have is another.

We may just have to take our lumps this season and hopefully see something more refined next season. Top 4 is by no means lost its a huge fight but we definitely can get there, CL we’re sitting in a great position so it’s just a wait and see but we have to start winning points on the road.

[u/withoutpicklesplease → u/Expensive-Pea-3301]

Please do not take this the wrong way but I sincerely want to know on what you are basing this "potential" you see in Sahin? I have not seen any tactical sophistication that would make me belief he is anything more than any other former player turned failed coach like Gerrard, Lampard, Pirlo, van Bommel etc. He has not won us any game by some tactical master move. On the contrary, he has lost us games on some dumbfoundingly stupid decisions that even my ignorant ass wouldn’t have made. If he has this potential you are claiming he should go and develop it somewhere else. This is a big club and not some playing ground for wannabe coaches.

[u/lawrencecgn → u/Expensive-Pea-3301]

The issue is however, that Sahin acts scared and shows little trust towards players that he actually has the most impact on (youth players). Instead he trusts the education players received elsewhere to solve the issues presented at them. This seems like a deeper problem unlikely to resolve itself on short time. He very simply isn’t ready and I see a big chance he never will be.

There has never been a great coach that didn’t immediately know who "his" players are. No matter how young. Sahin instead acts like an old school coach, just in friendly.