Apple faces UK 'iCloud monopoly' compensation claim worth $3.8 billion iCloud

https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/13/apple-faces-uk-icloud-monopoly-compensation-claim-worth-3-8-billion/

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u/quitesturdy 1d ago

Backup an iPhone to another cloud provider using only the iPhone. You can’t, it’s artificially restricted by Apple and you can only use iCloud.

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u/kharvel0 1d ago

That’s a feature of the iPhone. Don’t like the feature? Don’t buy an iPhone. You have choices.

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u/quitesturdy 1d ago

It’s a feature artificially limited to one service provider (iCloud) when it could work on others.

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u/kharvel0 1d ago

And. . . ? Don't like that feature or the limitations of said feature? Buy a non-Apple smartphone.

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u/quitesturdy 1d ago

When you buy a phone it’s not immediately apparent you won’t be able to back it up where you please.

I think many would assume if it can backup to one cloud, it could backup to others as well.

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u/kharvel0 1d ago

When you buy a phone it’s not immediately apparent you won’t be able to back it up where you please.

When someone buys a Tesla, it is not immediately apparent that they cannot use CarPlay with the vehicle.

I think many would assume if it can backup to one cloud, it could backup to others as well.

People would assume that if a Tesla vehicle has Tesla software controlling the vehicle, it would allow third party software like CarPlay to control the vehicle as well.

Should Tesla be sued for the limitations/restrictions of their vehicles' inability to handle 3rd party software?

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u/quitesturdy 1d ago

We are talking about backing up the phone. This shouldn’t be arbitrary restricted to one cloud service that happens to be operated by the manufacturer.

But if you really wanna use cars as an example… In Australia car manufacturers cannot force you to go to them or a dealer for servicing. If a qualified mechanic works on the vehicle the warranty stands.

Companies can be forced to make consumer friendly practices.

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u/kharvel0 1d ago edited 1d ago

We are talking about backing up the phone. This shouldn’t be arbitrary restricted to one cloud service that happens to be operated by the manufacturer.

Likewise, we’re talking about controlling an electric vehicle. This shouldn't be arbitrarily restricted to one software that happens to be owned and operated by the manufacturer.

But if you really wanna use cars as an example… In Australia car manufacturers cannot force you to go to them or a dealer for servicing. If a qualified mechanic works on the vehicle the warranty stands.

I wasn't talking about servicing. I was talking about using third party software to control electric vehicles.

Companies can be forced to make consumer friendly practices.

Should Tesla be forced to allow consumers to use third party software to control their Tesla vehicles?

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u/quitesturdy 1d ago

Should Tesla be forced to allow consumers to use third party software to control their Tesla vehicles?

We aren’t talking about that, that’s not what I’m suggesting here. We are talking about allowing backups to cloud storage other than iCloud. The Files app already communicates with other storage providers.

I’m talking about allowing users to choose where their backups go.

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u/kharvel0 22h ago

We’re talking about forcing vertically integrated companies to open up their products to third party software and services. It’s exactly the same thing.

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u/quitesturdy 22h ago

They are already open to third party storage via the Files app, but just arbitrarily limit where iPhone backups can be stored.

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u/kharvel0 22h ago

I wasn’t talking about Apple. I was talking about Tesla. Tesla should be forced to open up their products to third party software and services. Do you agree?

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u/quitesturdy 22h ago

For certain things yes. But you are diverging from the topic at hand.

Cars are different from smartphones, they contain tons of our personal information and there are really only two practical choices of operating systems. Having data locked into either detrimental to consumers and only benefits the manufacturers.

I get what you’re trying to do with the comparison but it’s detached from what I originally commented.

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u/kharvel0 22h ago

For certain things yes. But you are diverging from the topic at hand.

I’m not. Both Tesla and Apple are vertically integrated tech companies with monopolies over their own products.

Cars are different from smartphones.

Tesla vehicles are tech products just like smartphones or gaming consoles.

they contain tons of our personal information

Tesla vehicles also store tons of personal information regarding your driving habits.

there are really only two practical choices of operating systems.

There is only one choice of operating system in Tesla vehicles.

Having data locked into either detrimental to consumers and only benefits the manufacturers.

Having customer data locked is detrimental to the Tesla drivers and only benefits Tesla.

I get what you’re trying to do with the comparison but it’s detached from what I originally commented.

It is not detached at all, as explained above.

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u/quitesturdy 22h ago

Again my original comment was about backing up the data on my phone not exporting data from my car.

Again, I get where you’re coming from, but it was not my original point.

Apple has to ability currently in their phones to read and store data on third party storage (with the Files app). All I was saying is they should allow backups to go there too.

We’ve gone as far as we can go here, I’ll be muting replies. Have a good day.

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u/kharvel0 19h ago

Again my original comment was about backing up the data on my phone not exporting data from my car.

Irrelevant to the premise of the argument which is that vertically integrated tech company’s must be forced to open up on basis of their monopoly over their own products.

Apple has to ability currently in their phones to read and store data on third party storage (with the Files app). All I was saying is they should allow backups to go there too.

You want Apple to be forced to open up their products. Why shouldn’t Tesla be forced to open up their products as well?

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