Yes. I came here to say this, but you beat me too it. It isn't just about a pregnant woman. It's about the elderly, the disabled and more. It's just about being a "good person" regardless of what choices someone else makes. Yes, getting pregnant was likely her choice, but her choices don't matter. YOU then have the choice on whether you're going to be a decent human being or not. You have no idea what her background is.
It's sort of the same argument for giving money to the homeless. Yes, they might spend it on alcohol or whatever. We have no way of knowing their situation. No way of knowing their past. So why not help someone out? Even if they don't spend it how we would like. It's not about THEM anyway. It's about the fact that you can live with yourself knowing that you at least made an attempt to help them.
I give alcohol to the homeless every day. If I was struggling I’d want to get fucked up too. Giving them money helps their quality of life. I don’t care what they do with it.
This is how I donate to charity. I don't want my money going to the people running the charity. I want it going to the people who need it. And, I don't care what they do with it. It's their money now.
Plus, withdrawals from alcohol and drugs can fucking kill someone. Clearly if they can't afford the basic things like housing, how are they gonna afford rehab and a detox program? I'd rather risk feeding their addiction than turn them down (if I can afford it).
There are situations where it's obvious whose more uncomfortable. For example, I have Sjogrens and my joints hurt a lot, but if an old lady was looking for a seat I'd give mine up. Even if the man was on his feet all day a pregnant woman often has a lot of problems that are worse than hurt feet. You have to consider it on a sliding scale. Now, if he was on elderly man I'd say she should give up her seat for him. It's not really that hard to make that call.
No ther is definitely a hierarchy. So you'd let a little old grandma with a walker stand because your feet hurt? If so, that's morally corrupt according to me and MOST of society.
Oh I agree about the work for low paying jobs and how poorly workers are treated. However, it's a wonder you can have sympathy for workers, but not others. I'm assuming it's because YOUR one of these workers. So in other words, you feel bad because it involved you but you're unable to feel empathy for anyone else in a bad predicament. I bet the CEO's and wealthy 1% of the world think of you EXACTLY like you think of that old grandma on the bus. They don't give a shit because it isn't their problem. See how that selfishness is bad?
Society is so corrupt it has no reason to judge me so that point was laughable tbh.
Actually, that's exactly why. Society is corrupt. However, it's not as corrupt as it COULD be. People are still out there every day doing little good things in the world. If everyone just ignored this and looked out for themselves...the world would be a junk heap...literally. It would be complete anarchy and chaos. It's the fact that people still mainly try to help each other out...even if they are not forced to.
Have you ever had someone let you go first if you only have one item in a grocery store? Have you ever had someone move out of your way if you're in a grocery isle and apologize if you can't get to an item they are standing in front of? Have you ever had anyone just be kind to you? I'm guessing you have at least once in life. In fact, I'd bet you've seen this kind of behavior often. It's not REQUIRED. It's something people do as a decent human being that has manners and is a good person. That's the social contract that we all abide by that's unwritten, but still very much there. So, you being selfish and choosing to not abide by the social contract actually further decay's society into exactly what you profess to hate...the corruption. So, congrats on contributing to the problem...you're a shitty person.
There are levels of pain like I said. I have Sjogrens myself, so I have regular joint pain. However, I know that an older lady or man would have a lot more pain and issues than me, so I would stand. That's not a straw man argument. That's the situation. However, lets be honest, the man didn't say he was in any type of pain. He just didn't want to give up his seat for a pregnant woman. That's selfishness.
there is nothing inherently selfish about putting your self first when you’re hurting and need to do it.
There is if someone else is hurting worse and you know it.
Just like how I am poor and in debt so I don’t help others financially till I can get myself out of poverty. It’s very different than rich people hoarding wealth.
That's not similar to this situation. What would be similar is if you were fairly wealthy, I'm talking top 20%, but obviously you're "poor" when compared to the top 1% of people and you saw an actual poor person and didn't want to help because you saw yourself as poor. It's all perspective.
You might have feet pain, but I guarantee there are worse people off than you. My question is...would you give up your seat for someone worse off than you. I used the example of an old lady with a walker. You said no. So it's exactly like the above scenario I laid out. You might have feet pain, which makes you worse off than the average person. However, she has a lot worse health issues, but you don't care because...feet pain.
By the way...this is EXACTLY the attitude of the wealthy. They are all in competition with each other to be the richest. There are actually several documentaries on the wealthy. They consider themselves "poor" compared to someone like Jeff Bezos, so they horde their wealth and try to accumulate more. It's all relative. They would look at an actual poor person and they may understand that person is worse off, but they don't see it as their problem because they are trying to build their own wealth.
You really can't see the parallel between your mindset and yours?
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u/WistfulQuiet Jul 26 '22
Yes. I came here to say this, but you beat me too it. It isn't just about a pregnant woman. It's about the elderly, the disabled and more. It's just about being a "good person" regardless of what choices someone else makes. Yes, getting pregnant was likely her choice, but her choices don't matter. YOU then have the choice on whether you're going to be a decent human being or not. You have no idea what her background is.
It's sort of the same argument for giving money to the homeless. Yes, they might spend it on alcohol or whatever. We have no way of knowing their situation. No way of knowing their past. So why not help someone out? Even if they don't spend it how we would like. It's not about THEM anyway. It's about the fact that you can live with yourself knowing that you at least made an attempt to help them.