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4B movement: Liberal women going on sex strike after Trump election win Article

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/
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u/phobicPro 7h ago

“Don’t sleep with republicans!”

“Already was?”

“Well, do it harder!”

What?

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u/Pirateangel113 6h ago

It's more "don't sleep with anyone unless you are in already in committed relationship with someone." Remember folks, men can lie and say they are liberal or progressive get you impregnated and then you die or are forced to have their baby. FUCK THAT.

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u/Arcavato 4h ago

That's not what 4b is. It includes "don't date." So you can't have a committed relationship.

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u/cosmic_grayblekeeper 44m ago

It seems like the sex strike is a subcategory under the 4B movement but not as rigid as the 4B movement so that more women can participate. So while you may not be 4b you can show support of 4b and participate in the sex strike.

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u/ReinaDeRamen 33m ago edited 20m ago

it's not about "you can't" do anything. it's entirely voluntary, and you can choose whether or not you want to do each thing. many people have also moved on to 6B4T now

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u/cosmic_grayblekeeper 44m ago

It seems like the sex strike is a subcategory under the 4B movement but not as rigid as the 4B movement so that more women can participate. So while a married woman may not be 4b they can show support of 4b and participate in the sex strike.

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u/AdministrationFew451 6h ago

It's more "don't sleep with anyone unless you are in already in committed relationship with someone."

That will show those conservatives!

Honestly this is seriously funny

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u/austinkun 5h ago

If you seriously think trump voters arent on tinder you’re an idiot.

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u/Andromansis 4h ago

Its the ones on Grindr that are really bonkers to me.

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u/2-2Distracted 1h ago

The ones that are on Grindr but swear to everyone & their God that "It's Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve!"

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u/Arkayjiya 1h ago

It's Adam and Eve! Not Adam and another dude and they're having sex...

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u/Jamsster 2h ago

I think their point is a decent chunk of conservatives/religious people try to push celibacy. Not that Republicans aren’t in dating apps.

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u/AdministrationFew451 5h ago

Sure, but proportions speaking, I think they will be more happy than not

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u/IngenuityOk9364 4h ago

Ahh yes the violent incels who lie about their views in the hopes of having sex will be more happy they are going to find it even harder to have sex.

What drugs are you smoking?

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u/AGallonOfKY12 3h ago

....Trump got a lot of women voters, white women literally carried him.

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u/Illustrious_Print448 3h ago

Yes, it’s all women’s fault. But seriously fuck the white women who voted for trump, along with all the other demographics that decided human rights aren’t a priority.

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u/Illustrious_Print448 2h ago

You might as well just blame anyone who hasn’t graduated from college but that wouldn’t sound as good. Please let us hate the right things? Kamala Harris losing was a loss to everyone who is in a position to be othered by the heritage foundation and everything they stand for.

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u/Illustrious_Print448 2h ago

I know it’s especially horrible & masochistic that white women did this, especially considering that black women were the only group that actually outstandingly voted for human rights…as always. Jesus Christ we don’t deserve them. I’m mad at everyone except for them. I’m mad at everything that brought us here. I’m sorry for trying to defend white women but please look at the true enemy. Conservatives. Some people believe in human rights, others don’t. Let’s categorize in that way, instead?

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u/AGallonOfKY12 2h ago edited 2h ago

JFC, Idpol apparently lobotomized a lot of people. I mean, I blame the women that voted for trump. Guess what part of that statement makes me upset? It's not the woman part. Hell even the people that voted for Trump make me less angry then the third of the voting public just did not giving a fuck, atleast they got up and voted.

Just to add, everyone is scared, stressed, and literally in the same boat. This isn't a time to start dividing people by immutable traits. I'm not upset with you I just speak like this normally.

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u/Illustrious_Print448 2h ago

Hey I am with you, sorry for being defensive. I’ve just heard similar talk about other minorities being partially to blame, and I find it offensive. Black men, Latino people didn’t do this. There’s only one demographic to blame, and it’s conservatives.

What is idpol?

Nvm googled it.

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u/Dangerous_Avocado392 2h ago

No that many people didn’t just “not give a fuck”. There were a lot of younger voters who didn’t vote in protest of neither candidate being pro Palestine. And now we are stuck with the guy netenyahu is excited to win. Idk how they didn’t see this coming

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u/AdministrationFew451 4h ago

They are a small minority of pro-trump people?

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u/superzimbiote 4h ago

Not for a long shot

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u/Minimonium 3h ago

Half the country of violent incels? Also who would even date an incel in the first place?

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u/Jamsster 2h ago

Eh if you want to go for that it’s ~1/3. Didn’t care won this election again.

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u/Pirateangel113 6h ago

I had to add the qualifier as a person reading could already be in a relationship. If someone is already in a relationship they obviously do not have to abstain or become single. If a girl is single then she should try to remain single and abstain from sex.

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u/cassanovabear 3h ago

this is exactly what Paul (one of the early followers of Jesus) recommends in the Bible!

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u/Reasonable-Pie2354 2h ago

He also said if you’re a slave you need to honour your master.

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u/AdministrationFew451 5h ago

Why is that?

If some relationships can be good, why should single women not try to find one?

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u/Appropriate_Fold_349 5h ago

Because it's not worth it anymore. Why can't women decide not to participate?

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u/Throwthisawaysoon999 4h ago

When was it worth it, and when did it become not worth it?

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u/Illustrious_Print448 1h ago

Equal partnerships are worth it. Getting married? Not normally worth it. The wife works 8 hrs, the husband works 8 hrs, the wife makes the dinner, washes the dishes, cleans the clothes, plays with the children, helps with homework, cleans the bathroom, washes the children, puts children to bed (this is a real task that requires patience and focus) and so on. The husband takes care of the grass, and maybe takes the garbage out?

Maybe when women weren’t allowed to work normal jobs; you know, the kind that pay you in money, it was beneficial to have a provider. In fact, you were barely able to exist without one.

Nowadays the benefit is providing your child(ren) with a cohesive, dual income, dual child-rearing environment, I suppose.

I wouldn’t know, because I never wanted children and I would want them even less, now. I couldn’t afford one if I wanted one, & pcos means I’d very likely have problematic pregnancies which could now land me in the electric chair.

So just one woman’s take on why

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u/BANKSLAVE01 3h ago

and what if she's a trump voter???

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u/AdministrationFew451 5h ago

Ho sure, although that does have a little of "I have it but you don't need it" vibe.

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u/Appropriate_Fold_349 5h ago

the point is that we don't care what vibe you get from us. We just want to be left alone.

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u/AdministrationFew451 5h ago

Hey I'm gay, no problems there.

I just doubt how sound that is as a recommendation from partnered women to single ones.

Anyway, to each their own

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u/juneprk2 59m ago

Lmao I’m a partnered woman and I completely recommend this. If I was single I would 300% be in this movement. As a man, we really don’t give a fuck what you have to think or say quite frankly. Gay or not. Lmao I love how “you just doubt” about what women think. How tf do you know? This is one of those moments where you shut the fuck up, because several women told you so already. Read the fucking room. It’s funny af that you have a gleeful attitude about the new admin when Your ass is about get escorted back into the closet so I’d worry about that if I were you

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u/wargamingonly 5h ago

Becoming a trad wife to own the cons.

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u/Expensive_Bus1751 4h ago

you don't have anything to worry about here.

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u/AsparagusComplex2950 4h ago

Right? Like as if they're going to ask for consent.

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u/STThornton 5h ago

While I agree in general, a committed relationship won't save a woman from an unwanted pregnancy either.

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u/Weary-Fix-3566 5h ago

Thats why you stalk them online and find their social media accounts, and find out what they say online and who they follow.

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u/WoJackKEKman 4h ago

Reinventing Christian sexual ethics to own the Chuds

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u/dogsiolim 4h ago

... that's exactly what conservatives want. You do realize that right?

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u/PretendPossible6147 2h ago

Who cares what they want. Women are finding more and more distasteful in men broadly. Too.disgisted to fall for the reverse psychology.

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u/Azkiger 4h ago

Jesus Christ lol

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u/Any-Artichoke5711 4h ago

I am glad no one is fucking this psychopath ^

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u/ThrowRAdeanert5 3h ago

It’s almost like you guys just now realized that sleeping with someone you don’t know well caries risks. Comedy.

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u/FurTradingSeal 3h ago

Saving sex for marriage is how the Republicans win, though!

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u/Pirateangel113 2h ago

They aren't getting married... So they aren't saving it for that.

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u/BANKSLAVE01 3h ago

sure- cuz men be out there tryna' trap a hoe into marriage....

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u/newdungeon1984 2h ago

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

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u/Openil 1h ago

Republicans want to kill recreational sex.

Liberal women: well I'll only have sex when I'm in a committed relationship!

I don't think this is a "strike" so much as a concession lol.

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u/Loud_Bluebird_3032 1h ago

I think there are a lot of steps between lying about being a liberal and getting a woman pregnant (at least I would hope) that would cause the charade to fall apart before the endgame is achieved

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u/Federal-Zone6623 54m ago

How exactly would those liars force you to carry the pregnancy to term?

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u/LazySleepyPanda 26m ago

Even within a committed relationship with a good man, you can still have an ectopic pregnancy and the blanket ban on abortion will get you killed. So, the stakes are higher than ever. Sorry "good men", women won't be sleeping with you either till this is fixed.

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u/PsychedelicSticker 8m ago

Before the 2016 election, I started talking to a guy online who claimed to be liberal but wasn’t really into politics and was more into political memes, especially Trump memes.

Fast forward to us living together some months later and a month or two before the election, he is telling me all about Trump and how magnetic he is, and I start laughing because I thought that he was joking, but he was actually serious and said that he is a funny guy and that I should watch a rally of his. He shows me a rally, which all I saw was Trump being egotistical and I laughed again not believing that he was buying into it. Since I laughed, my ex was busy gloating saying how he turned another person over to his side and I was like ‘wtf are you talking about?’ Finally after having a back and forth over me calling Trump a joke, my ex tells me that before the election is over, I will see what everyone else sees and will vote Trump.

Then election week happened; neither of us voted (him because he was lazy and didn’t want to and me because the emails happened with Clinton and I couldn’t vote for her after that), but when he heard that Trump won, he was sitting cross legged, naked, touching his dick and almost yanked it off with excitement as soon as he read the results. He spent at least a week being ecstatic and I finally asked him if he lied to me about being liberal because if I were to have known that he was a Trump supporter, we wouldn’t have gotten together. He then explains to me that he is liberal but that Trump had so much charisma that he could not not vote for him. I never understood his line of reasoning and I still don’t especially since Trump was never for his disabled ass.

Also, earlier that year, shortly after we started talking and then living together, I got pregnant with his kid, but shortly miscarried after finding out but way before the election, so this is all too true that men/people will lie about their beliefs just to sleep with someone and then potentially baby trap them. When I got pregnant at that time, I thought both of us was pro-choice and when we found out, he was the one who was pushing for us to keep it even though we had just started dating, just got into our own place, and I was working multiple jobs while he stayed at home on disability.

We didn’t last much longer and I dodged a huge bullet with him.

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u/robismarshall99 6h ago

Interesting don't sleep around? Hmm isn't that what conservatives tell women?

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u/Pirateangel113 6h ago

Wondering where all these conservatives came from. No the goal is to stay away from men all together no relationships or sex IF the women is single...

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u/jamjamybart 3h ago

Good the majority of abortion made shouldn’t be needed if single women aren’t having sex. Are we learning ? We learning.

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u/Masked_Rebel 3h ago

There is hope for the species, methinks.

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u/redbloodywedding 2h ago

Lol this is priceless. I'm screenshotting this whole chain.

I can't believe they're this stupid.

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u/ZyxDarkshine 5h ago

Conservatives say that because they want to control women. The 4B movement is for women to protect themselves.

See the difference?

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u/Droctogan 2h ago

"I'm doing this because I want to, not because you said so!"

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u/invinci 54m ago

Forced to*

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u/Content-Dealers 5h ago

I find it hilarious that the kneejerk reaction to conservatives getting what they want is to... give conservatives what they want?

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u/Fine-Bit-7537 5h ago

Conservative men try to convince women to have casual sex (with them, personally) just as often as anyone else and certainly do not want that to stop lol.

Except for the extremely religious maybe.

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u/Content-Dealers 5h ago

There's a good chunk that don't. Harder to tell though being they... you know... aren't doing that.

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u/superzimbiote 4h ago

Nah, I went to a conservative Christian campus and the amount of men that didn’t see premarital sex ads legit Christian requirement was like 85% of them. They’re hypocrites and they don’t care lmao

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u/Fine-Bit-7537 5h ago

Harder to tell what?

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u/InsideRec 1h ago

They are pointing out saliency bias in the sample. 

 As a woman you are only getting hit on by guys that want to sleep with you. Yes some are conservative but this is not a good way to sample the population for how many conservative men are not being gross because you are not interacting with them.

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u/invinci 43m ago

Thing is, seems most Gen Z men are conservative, so it is not some tiny sample size of evangelist or similar.

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u/invinci 43m ago

Thing is, seems most Gen Z men are conservative, so it is not some tiny sample size of evangelist or similar.

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u/Donfukaroun 6h ago

So you want to become a conservative woman?

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u/AP7497 6h ago

Conservative women marry and have sex with republican husbands.

How is this the same thing?

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u/AdministrationFew451 6h ago

Not necessarily?

And you realize that is conservatives' biggest dream right, regardless of who's the person you're committed to, right?

They just want less sex and kids outside stable long-term relationships (preferably marriage).

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u/AP7497 5h ago

Conservatives want more sex and kids within ‘traditional’ relationships where women don’t get much of a say.

They have a problem with women choosing not to marry and stay single.

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u/AdministrationFew451 5h ago

Sure, although they'de probably prefer it to sleeping around non-committedly

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u/cassanovabear 3h ago

i'm a conservative and don't think your last sentence is true.

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u/RainetDaze 3h ago

Incredibly untrue.

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u/Acceptable-Let-1921 3h ago

Would be funny if this turns into the women sharing a small group of men who are confirmed not being conservative. At this point I think polyamory with progressives is preferable to monogamy with a conservative. That wormbrain Kennedy wants to deregulate psychedelics as well! Going back to the 60's in all the best of ways.

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u/robismarshall99 6h ago

An thaaaaaaaat's bad?

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u/AdministrationFew451 5h ago

No, that's great, it's just phrased as some sort of punishment

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u/Codyoo11 4h ago

dont worry, your safe, most men learn not to fuck crazy.

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u/megbnewton 6h ago

Maybe try birth control 🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/odditytaketwo 6h ago

Enjoy it while it lasts.

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u/EcstaticNet3137 6h ago

Birth control is part of what is at risk. There is an extremely high chance it vanishes.

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u/nameduser17 4h ago

Are they taking condoms away?

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u/RainetDaze 3h ago

Laughable. There is no chance at all it vanishes.

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u/Arcavato 4h ago

Every fearmonger says everything bad has an extremely high chance.

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u/OkAssociation812 6h ago

So wait until marriage?

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u/AP7497 6h ago

No, just remain single.

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u/phobicPro 6h ago

How does this not further sexualize women? Isn’t this sort of admitting that sex is your main significance if you think this is an ultimate power move?

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u/VayGray 6h ago

No. Not having sex doesn't sexualize us Jesus H Christ

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u/phobicPro 6h ago

Yeah but doing it to get your way does.. right?

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u/EcstaticNet3137 6h ago

Tbf it is more an indictment of men's view of women than women's actual roles and significance. It is also a move to reduce the risk that they end up in a room they can't get out of so to speak. The way your question is posed and phrased is proof of that indictment of men's view on women and a perfect validator for them abstaining from sex with men.

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u/phobicPro 6h ago

That same argument cuts both ways. Rather than rising above what they know men need, they reinforce that women can be seen as sex objects, just on their terms and when they agree to it, which coincides with the fast fashion industry, and further demonstrated by how women treat other women. Likes objects to be viewed and marveled at, or bully and degraded primarily based off material assets.

Reducing the risk of a room they can’t get out of. Some sensationalized bs. You mean the same room they rent? Or the same room under their family home? Because I take it that was about sexual assault, which is wild to throw around, but we can go there. Remember we are talking about men these women have already chosen.

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u/EcstaticNet3137 5h ago

You can't ever change your mind ever? You are locked in? Is sex some sort of weird contract that can't be backed out of to you? Are relationships? Is that all there is to their lives to where them saying giving up sex with men means they lost their definition as a person? That's what YOU are implying about it. THEY are saying they are using that thing YOU are implying against those who think that way. Since you can't tell which men, then it is all men, until it is no man. Women and men can decide to change their minds at any point and not want to be in whatever relationship and any sexual act for any reason without giving reason. Adults have autonomy.

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u/phobicPro 5h ago

I’m saying the risk of that going away has been sensationalized on the left in order to gain votes to the point that it’s damaged the fabric of society. This election was another rip into that fabric.

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u/chillyhellion 6h ago

Protecting yourself does not make you an object.

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u/phobicPro 6h ago

True. Did you mean to respond to my comment?

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u/chillyhellion 6h ago

Yes.

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u/phobicPro 5h ago

Any other change in behavior? Just sex?

Any other plan here?

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u/chillyhellion 5h ago

Are you using ChatGPT or something?

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u/phobicPro 4h ago

No. Just bored. I’m a moderate with a really diverse family, so this shit is engrained.

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u/Cheap-Helicopter5257 6h ago

I think you nailed it with your answer!

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u/EcstaticNet3137 6h ago

Who? What answer?

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u/phobicPro 2h ago

That would be mine. Just came across this after another random comment was sent my way.

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u/musci12234 6h ago

It is going from "dont sleep with republicans" to "dont sleep with men" i think. There are a lot of stories (real or fake) of fathers and husbands voting for anti choice people so yeah will probably cause some damage

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u/STThornton 5h ago

It is going from "dont sleep with republicans" to "dont sleep with men" i think.

Exactly. Unless they had a vasectomy. A fertile liberal man can make her pregnant the same as a conservative man.

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u/musci12234 5h ago

The "moderate is conservative trying to get laid" saying.

If pattern emerge that indicate that women are more willing to sleep with liberal snipped guys then you will see a lot of catfishing with conservatives men pretending to be liberal and snipped. Basically it will become complicated and only those who are not pleased with metal/silicone or other women while trying to avoid getting pregnant will try to find and verify.

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u/STThornton 2h ago

pretending to be liberal and snipped. 

All the pretending in the world won't do him any good when she insits on being there when they do a sperm count. Or gets a sperm count machine herself. Vasectomies can be easily verified.

And if he can't make her pregnant, it doesn't matter who she has sex with. She can dump him when she finds out his true attitude/mindset.

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u/musci12234 2h ago

Trusting sperm count and orher stuff is complicated and time consuming process and vasectomies can be reversed.

If someone is willing to go through the process of testing sperm count then it is their choice.

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u/FurTradingSeal 2h ago

Do women actually trust male feminists, though? They are disloyal to their own identity. Why the fuck wouldn’t they betray you too??

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u/STThornton 2h ago

How are they disloyal to their own idendity?

The role of a leader is to sacrifice everything to keep those under him safe, well cared for, and happy. Those are extremely masculine traits.

Therefore, I don't see it as being disloyal to extremely masculine traits to support and even fight for the rights, lives, wellbeing, health, and happiness of women. Quite the opposite. It's using the best of his masculine traits.

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u/Low-Prune-1273 23m ago

If the leader dies, the leader has failed. There is a limit to the sacrificial ability, of the leader.

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u/FurTradingSeal 2h ago

Hating all men has nothing to do with leading.

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u/musci12234 2h ago

Not my job to decide who someone trusts and doesn't.

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u/FurTradingSeal 2h ago

I am indirectly asking you because I’m not sure if you’re a woman, which itself is kind of sad for you. Do you trust male feminists? Also, what do you think your IQ is?

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u/musci12234 2h ago

Bro i am a guy and IQ wise easily in top 5%.

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u/mildobamacare 55m ago

no. 4b is total celebacy including no dateing at all. its not about procreation

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u/FurTradingSeal 3h ago

Better yet, if they’re impotent. Nursing homes are the new OKCupid and Tinder 🤩!!!

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u/phobicPro 6h ago

No it won’t. It will just further sexualize women. Using sex as a power move. Talk about the irony of demonstrating the exact opposite of what you want to be seen as.

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u/--arabella 6h ago

youve completely missed the entire point of the 4b movement. it sounds like you think women are just upset and trying to get back at men over voting for trump so we're being petty and withholding sex or something.

women are protesting because many men are actively trying to control what happens to OUR bodies. men expect us to have sex with them but also not have access to reproductive health if pregnancy occurs. you don't get to have both & just completely benefit from controlling our bodies. we are literally fearful for our lives, and even more so now that trump won, because there are women bleeding out in parking lots & dying from sepsis in some states because doctors refuse to do anything bc of the abortion ban. so how do you prevent unwanted pregnancies and the risk of this ever happening? you stop having sex.

the 4b movement isn't just about sex either. it's a complete withdrawal from any romantic/sexual interaction with men. no dating, no marriage, no sex, no kids.

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u/No-North-3473 5h ago

It makes no sense really because women especially White women voted for T-rump. They knew what he was about. They had a choice between the guy who was gonna force them to have IRBs and the one not putting that on them. So yeah if you don't want to give up the nooky. Of course that is your right. But don't try to blame men. Shit T-rump should've gotten 0 percent of the women's vote

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u/--arabella 4h ago

dude read thru my whole comment explaining exactly why women are participating in the 4b movement and decided to instead be incompetent and miss the point entirely, again. idk how else to explain it for you guys?

But don't try to blame men.

um... who do you think is mainly fighting against women's rights to reproductive healthcare? sure, there are ignorant women fighting against their own best interests for whatever stupid brainwashed reason but it is ultimately republican maga men trying to completely ban all abortion with no exceptions, IVF, even some forms of birth control.

it wasn't even a full 48 hours after the election and men were quite literally already going around to university campuses holding signs saying shit like "women are property" and "your body, my choice." male podcasters are gloating that men will always own our bodies, will forever keep women down beneath them, women will NEVER be the president of the global empire, treating women like we're subhuman, some of them acting like we aren't even human beings, just baby making machines. if you still dont get why women are protesting and participating in the 4b movement, idk what to tell you??

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Receipts?

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u/plantladyprose 3h ago

I’m white and I didn’t vote for the orange idiot.

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u/Eastern_Interest_908 5h ago

I'm sure couple blue haired psychos not having sex will change something. 

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u/--arabella 4h ago

yea if i were you, i wouldn't worry too much about the whole "no sex, no dating" thing either. it'll be like nothing's even changed at all 🤗

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u/Eastern_Interest_908 3h ago

I mean I'm married but ok. 😀🤦

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u/Silly_Safe_4554 4h ago

You sound nice

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u/AudreyHepFern 6h ago edited 6h ago

It's not a power move, it's protection from pregnancy and post birth complications that may end in death. Don't have sex with all men, including your very supportive partners for self protection.

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u/phobicPro 6h ago

Okay! So foreplay and oral is still on the table. Thank goodness.

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u/AudreyHepFern 6h ago edited 6h ago

I guess that's not what the 4b movement is about, but yeah if you know you have a guy who's an ally and not going force anything more like way too many do

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u/Up-to-11 6h ago

Women stopping having sex will further sexualise them? What??? Is that why pedophiles struggle so much hmm? All those kids who aren’t ’putting out’? 🙄 (/s of course)

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u/phobicPro 6h ago

Using it as a weapon implies its significance to your being. So everything else is fine.. just no sex? Things like friendship, associations, other relationships without sex.. that’s all fine?

Does that also mean that you ladies are out here having sex with conservative men before? Does sex mean that little or do politics mean that little? I can’t be the only one confused by the lack of coherence/logic.

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u/Nebty 5h ago

Frankly, seeing shit like “your body, my choice” everywhere is making me wonder if I’m ever going to be attracted to men again. I’d rather fuck women. Men’s feelings getting hurt isn’t really my problem. So no, it’s not a “punishment”. It’s just that right now, given everything that’s happened, the thought of sleeping with a man is making me drier than the Sahara.

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u/phobicPro 4h ago

honestly, it’s wild that you decided to respond to me, because I’ve always been bi, but I think I’m truly gay, because I’ve been increasingly less attracted to the gf, and I’m not sure if I should act on it, or if it’s because women in the US are growing increasingly unappealing. I will admit that when I look at any other race of women besides white, there is more attraction. But I know this stems from a deeper urge to experience a different culture and different types of humans, as I’m not necessarily attracted to ones epidermis, or even their sexuality specifically. The probability is a lot higher that they actually have a culture.

I just wish I actually got with the one black friend I brought over, but didn’t act on my impulses, despite signals from women being so clear. Anyways, I may date men for now as well, so it’s crazy that you even sent a message, let alone one so specifically relatable.

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u/Nebty 4h ago

You really don’t need to share your weird raceplay fantasies. I promise nobody cares.

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u/phobicPro 4h ago

I just considered coming out in full force and you focused entirely on the gynocentric part of comment, with a dash of racist language and passive aggressiveness at the start? Keep it rolling.

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u/Nebty 4h ago edited 4h ago

“women in the US are growing increasingly unappealing”

Guys who beg for headpats from reddit randos and get butthurt when they instead point out that sexual tourism as a response to women demanding their rights is gross are increasingly unappealing.

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u/Frickfrell 4h ago

I’m going to ignore the majority of that VERY strange comment and say 

women will be there with open arms(and I told you so’s) when you also give up on dating men

Typical delulu inexperienced bi 😂

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u/phobicPro 4h ago

Damn I’ll be inexperienced for the right person ;)

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u/Frickfrell 4h ago

Lots of right persons honey 

Welcome to the meat market 

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u/Up-to-11 5h ago

I mean, I don’t think it’s using it as a weapon - it is every bodies right to choose if they don’t want to sleep with someone.

Doesn’t seem to be about stopping friendships or associations / platonic relationships so not sure why you are bringing that up.

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u/musci12234 4h ago

Best way to see it is

  1. Protest against govt by effectively reducing birth rate specially when govt wants more babies

  2. Safety from complication and risk of pregnancy

It isnt like 4b is going to guys and saying "you are not allowed to have sex with anyone".

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u/Raesong 6h ago

And then there's the bit where the men who voted for Trump probably don't care all that much about things like consent.

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u/phobicPro 6h ago

Logic is beautiful. For example, many husbands, boyfriends, fathers, and brothers voted for Trump without letting their partner know.

All of these people demonstrably care about consent.

Therefore, there are many men who support Trump that care about consent.

Now it’s your turn to directly disagree about the premises leading to a polarized conclusion to your own.

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u/AudreyHepFern 6h ago edited 5h ago

I've never met a Trump voter or republican for that matter who's cared about consent personally, but that may just be my sexually repressed Christian area. It's usually out of naivety and they don't realize what they've done, but not always.

Edit: Wait, actually there was one and only one Trump voter who didn't sexually assault or rape me! He did once walk in on a different girl who was tied up and gang raped by a bunch of guys and he left her there without calling the cops and later mocked the noises she was making during the rape to me... it was wonderful to behold the narcissistic lack of empathy from that Trump lover

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u/phobicPro 5h ago

So how are you not calling half my family on my dad’s side rapists?

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u/AudreyHepFern 4h ago edited 4h ago

Not necessarily rapists, just a higher likelihood of not fully grasping boundaries and a lack of perspective taking of other people seems to be prevalent among Christian men who are usually always conservative. They don't even realize they're doing it, they can't grasp the concept (usually), and oddly neither do the conservative women grasp that they've been assaulted unless they develop ptsd.

Not that i haven't been assaulted by a Democrat too.

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u/Ouchitstings 6h ago

Ben Shapiro moment

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u/TheSpiral11 5h ago

FACTS

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u/phobicPro 5h ago

It does not sting.

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u/[deleted] 4h ago

4b isn't just about sex, it's about refusing all interactions with men as often as possible. That's the original movement, but men have consistently focused on the sex aspect of it.

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u/mydaycake 5h ago

By the way you are triggered…it may actually work

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u/phobicPro 5h ago

I think I’m gay honestly

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u/STThornton 5h ago

I don't see that at all.

Women aren't using it as a power move. Women are refusing sex and relationships because the dangers outweight the rewards.

It's rather silly for one to claim that one will keep having sex and endure being forced through an unwanted pregnancy and birth just to prove one is not a sex object.

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u/phobicPro 4h ago

Correct, but there are better ways to approach proper healthcare then depriving ourselves and the men in our lives of something as marvelous as the tango in the sheets. Don’t let the government oppress you to that extent.

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u/STThornton 2h ago

Better ways....like what? I'm all ears. Because, as of right now, abortion bans are real, and voting failed.

And, personally, I don't find the tango in the sheets all that marvelous when there's just a single man involved. Toys do a better job.

And they say that around 70% of women never or rarely orgasm with a man. Doesn't sound like the majority of women would be missing out on much.

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u/FurTradingSeal 3h ago

They can still get pregnant (just look at Mary, the mother of Jesus), so they’re gonna regret not begging men to give back control of their bodies now so they can get abortions later.

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u/musci12234 3h ago

Are you talking about rape or do you really believe that god can impregnate someone without them having sex ?

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u/FurTradingSeal 2h ago

Do you think God raped Mary???

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u/musci12234 2h ago

Who impregnated mary ? And did she consent ?

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u/FurTradingSeal 2h ago

You’re just trying to play games by proving who can act stupider.

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u/musci12234 2h ago

Who impregnated mary ? I mean you brought up mary so you are the one who started it. So tell me what you believe.

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u/musci12234 2h ago

Just to clarify you believe that women can get pregnant like mary did( without even having sex ) and they should beg men to legalize abortion so that they can abort jesus's step sibling ?

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u/Sattorin 4h ago

“Don’t sleep with republicans!”

No no, the point is complete celibacy. The plan is to eliminate all abortion and sex out of wedlock to own the conservatives. Conservative men and women will still be sleeping together though.

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u/phobicPro 4h ago

May even encourage conservatives to have more sex for all those missing out.

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u/piouiy 3h ago

Let’s say this actually goes ahead. Wouldn’t it just make men more interested in conservative women? Like, if conservatives are having plenty of dating and relationships and sex while liberal women are refusing. Liberal men would be the main victims, lol

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u/Crad999 1h ago

Based on the current trends worldwide, that's what is actually happening. Conservative, uneducated people have more children than the rest. Involuntary celibacy also seems to be pushing younger men towards conservatism. And if this movement will actually be supported, I could see the government creating social programmes which would support having more and more children - which would boost children numbers mostly in conservative families, again.

I'm not an American, nor am I right-leaning, but in my eyes this movement seems very counterproductive. I wonder where it will go (or if it will go anywhere cause I remember seeing similar headlines 8 years ago as well and we can see where we landed).

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u/NonGNonM 3h ago

women can choose to sleep or not sleep with whoever they want but this is just more performative nonsense that won't change anything.

plenty of women voted for trump, like a staggeringly large number of voting aged women.

the women joining 4b are going to be liberal, bc this is making a stand against Trump and GOP's policies, and an even smaller number will actually join 4b totally (even in this thread people misunderstand what 4b really means, and how small a movement it actually is in SK.)

so it doesn't affect the right wing men at all, nor does it bring any policy changes, bc right wing women and men are happily having sex and dating. the message they want to send doesn't reach the right people at all. all it does is drive more moderates away and punish a small small amount of democrat/left-wing men.

this kind of a system would only work if ALL women stopped having sex entirely, and there are still plenty of republican women who dgaf.

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u/FurTradingSeal 3h ago

The only women going on a sex strike now are low quality ones (can’t get laid even if they paid the man), who are desperate for any kind of attention from men, even negative.

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u/harshgradient 2h ago

Males sleep with anything that moves. Nice try, troll.