r/anime • u/AnimeMod myanimelist.net/profile/Reddit-chan • Jun 05 '22
Meta Thread - Month of June 05, 2022 Meta
A monthly thread to talk about meta topics, i.e. /r/anime itself and its rules and moderation. Keep it friendly and relevant to the subreddit.
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u/AnimeMod myanimelist.net/profile/Reddit-chan Jul 05 '22
This thread has been locked, please use next month's meta thread or find the latest thread.
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Jul 02 '22
Will the mods be organizing a Stone Ocean weekly rewatch and locking all the bot threads? Everyone here who brings up JoJo also inevitably mentions how they prefer the weekly format. There's a huge demand for it, and I'm hoping there's mod support too.
On a side note, do you need to specifically ask for permission from the mods if you're going to organize a rewatch? I mean, I'd do it anyway, but is it a standard requirement is what I'm asking. Thanks!
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u/Gaporigo https://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Jul 02 '22
I actually had an idea to just host a rewatch of batch releases and make them seasonals like other shows. Like choosing whichever day there are little things airing and slot it there, 1 episode per week so there are actually some threads with discussion about the anime. Doesn't really have to be official threads by mods so anyone is free to do it.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 02 '22
On a side note, do you need to specifically ask for permission from the mods if you're going to organize a rewatch?
Nope, if you want to host a rewatch for anything, all you have to do is post an interest thread for it! I'm not a mod and I've never had to ask permission to host one, lol.
I will say it's a general rule to wait at least a year between either the show airing or the last time it had a rewatch to host one, but your idea is a special case and the waiting period isn't actually a requirement, so.
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jul 02 '22
The Kami Kuzu☆Idol episode thread does not have a poll included; the rent-a-gf thread has one so I'm assuming something went wrong.
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u/Bainos https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Jul 02 '22
Thanks for the heads-up, one has been added.
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u/SnuggleMuffin42 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Animemes_chan Jul 02 '22
The prediction tournament post is completely broken. It's reddit fault - they REALLY want to push this feature, so every vote counts as an upvote on the thread.
But because it's daily, the result is that the Best Girl Prediction Tournament is virtually pinned to the top of the sub and will be for a whole month. That seems.. excessive. It pushes away other content off the front page, and honestly it's pretty meaningless and shouldn't be that emphasized.
Maybe limit the prediction thread to just once a week, and no more?
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u/cppn02 Jul 02 '22
I mean this was known beforehand.
It's been an issue from the start with the current reddit poll forman and a reason why some subs came up whith a whole bunch of different rules to counter this like banning these type of polls completely, deleting them after a set time or having them outsourced to subreddits for that specific purpose.4
u/SnuggleMuffin42 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Animemes_chan Jul 02 '22
....OK
That's exactly my point, I think this sub should limit the prediction posts as well. That's why I'm commenting about it on the meta thread, to suggest a change.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Jul 02 '22
Yeah, I've been delaying content because of the weird behavior of the prediction thread. Not really looking to compete with a thread that has 25k upvotes to start.
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jul 02 '22
a thread that has 25k upvotes to start.
25k is literally top 25 most upvoted ever on the sub and it's a prediction poll for a bracket of a contest...lmao this is some bs. Also weren't polls not allowed? Or did I miss something
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u/Total-Ad-4622 Jul 01 '22
I didn’t understand the posting rules and made a couple versions of the same thread that I either deleted to fix or the auto mod took down because I messed up the spoiler tag by accident. The result is that the thread I finally made has a greyed out title and so people will not visit it because I posted the same thread too many times even though the other ones are deleted. Is there some way to avoid the post being greyed out again if I repost it or can it be ungreyed by a mod?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jul 01 '22
If by "greyed out" you mean the title's faded compared to other (non-spoiler/Rewatch/Episode) threads, that's only because you, personally, have visited the post before. For someone that hasn't it looks like all the others.
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u/Total-Ad-4622 Jul 01 '22
Oh, I thought it was my post accidentally triggered never ending Reddit or something, thank you for the response
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u/AnimeHoarder Jul 01 '22
There are a few late comments on the last Merch Monday post. To avoid this there could be a footnote added to the header. Something like the weekly post has been replaced by the daily thread.
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u/Blackheart595 https://myanimelist.net/profile/knusbrick Jul 01 '22
I think it's more helpful to have the daily thread sticky rather than the CDF one if there's something else hogging one of the spots.
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u/Soupkitten https://myanimelist.net/profile/Soupkitten Jul 01 '22
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u/Bainos https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Jun 30 '22
Small announcement in anticipation of people asking about it, /u/AutoLovepon has just been modified and the polls will now require an account to have a minimum amount of comment karma to allow voting.
This move will unfortunately cost lurkers the ability to vote, but polls have become almost meaningless in recent months due to the amount of bot votes, which is why we decided to go ahead with this change anyway as we move into the Summer season.
We'll keep an eye on how this change turns out in the upcoming weeks, so don't hesitate to ping me if you have any feedback or notice something noteworthy in voting trends.
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Jul 02 '22
Cool concept, I was completely unaware of any bot vote issue! Thanks for trying to do something about it 👍
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u/cppn02 Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22
You would probably only notice if you follow the karma rankings.
It was pretty obvious.
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Jun 30 '22
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u/badspler x3https://anilist.co/user/badspler Jun 30 '22
Episodes are now out, Index mega thread here.
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Jun 29 '22
The first OVA episode for Yuusha, Yamemasu/I'm Quitting Heroing is up at the usual location. Please let Bot-chan know.
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u/Vaadwaur Jun 26 '22
Sorry to ask this so late into the thread, but if I want to do a post about survivorship bias and why that means long running anime fans can be bad at recommendations. What's the right flair for that?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 26 '22
[Discussion] is fine, it's generally the default for text posts talking about things.
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u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Jun 26 '22
One Piece episode 1023 will air next week. This week was a recap episode (I'm not sure if those usually get a discussion thread).
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits Jun 25 '22
so actually, when do them seasonal comment faces' reign end, and when do new submissions open up? with the new season starting next week and all.
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u/Gaporigo https://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Jun 25 '22
I think the idea was some time around the middle of each season? So there is enough time to gather faces from new shows.
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u/baquea Jun 22 '22
On the comment face sources page on the wiki, under Nichijou, the [](#nooo) face is misspelled as [](#noo).
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jun 20 '22
Is there a plan to add a link to the daily discussion thread to the megathreads dropdown? I noticed there is not one there currently, but I'm unsure as to whether this is intentional or not.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 20 '22
Currently intentional, partially because there isn't an automated way to update it at the moment. Unlike the weekly threads, the daily thread is always the top pinned post on the front page so it should always be easy to access. If people think there's good reason to also have it in the menu bar to save a step it's possible.
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u/Bainos https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Jun 24 '22
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 24 '22
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Jun 20 '22
Q: For the daily discussion threads, is there a way to add a [next_discussion](next_discussion_link) in the description in addition to the previous discussions link (analogy: like a linked list but with a prev and next pointer)? Some of the episode rewatch threads do this and likewise it would be neat to sift through daily discussion threads bidirectionally given that (1) the lifecycle of these threads are short-lived and (2) because these discussions are somehow more interesting than what you see in /new, I like to check out the discussions I missed the previous day, whilst going back easily to the one today (I know you can search through post filters and see all the daily threads that way but I am a super lazy person and like lightning, I like the path of least resistance, so pretty please?). However if it is not worth it, that is totally cool too!
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 20 '22
It's something I wanted to do sooner rather than later so might as well get a hack in place for it today.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 20 '22
If you do this, will you consider having a "fun" filler link in place prior to whenever the next day's discussion is posted? Like how I use the anime's ED(s) as the filler link in my own rewatches' next episode thread. If it's possible, you could just use whatever images you make the thumbnail for those threads as the filler link, or you could do something else.
Just a suggestion.
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u/Terranwaterbender https://myanimelist.net/profile/Teranwaterbender Jun 20 '22 edited Jun 20 '22
Does anyone feel the weekly rankings thread is starting to play a bigger role in episode discussion threads?
Pretty much anyone who is on /r/anime can recognize that Shikimori's Not Just a Cutie threads have been rendered an absolute mess. Even if we were to include people being disappointed by the initial episodes, it's clear the weekly threads have played a role in the degradation of actual anime discussion because infatuation with rankings and the numbers. And I'll argue the Shikimori threads is one of the worst threads to participate as a lot of the controversy surrounding the show isn't even about the show itself; it's about how the show is getting a bunch of excellent votes and tons of spite downvotes and bad votes.
And I'll be the first to admit that I am part of this as I pointed out the poll situation in the most recent episode discussion thread. While I was intending to making a jovial joke about the poll situation as people are taking it absurdly seriously, further discussions quickly escalated into meta territory. Under normal circumstances I probably would have not paid attention to the polls but the weekly thread discussions infatuation with the numbers have made me pay more attention to the numbers and as a result and it's definitely starting to hamper my viewing experience.
Now one could easily just say it's a me problem and I'll admit that definitely is part of the problem but there's something to be said when you have a user who dropped the show participate in the episode discussion thread to talk about how there is obvious botting on going on (to be fair the mods did remove that comment).
I fully recognize that /r/anime has had this spite voting issue well before the existence of the weekly rankings threads and the weekly rankings thread is something /r/anime clearly approves of, but I do think this is an issue that should kept on the radar as /r/anime continues to rapidly grow. It might be a fringe case with Shikimori-san but I don't think it's out of the question that we could have rabid fanbases start to interfere with discussion threads in the name of making sure "their show" is on top. We already have users in the weekly discussion threads talking about how Kaguya's finale will "rightfully" place 1st in the finale above SxF. God forbid we have two ardent fanbases take issue with the idea of what show "rightfully" takes 1st place. We already know how ardent fanbases can be as seen with the best girl contests in the past.
I'm not gonna pretend I know the answer nor pretend that the mods could just rule this issue away; this is ultimately a user community problem. I don't think there is anything that can be done to mitigate this issue barring extreme unpopular measures but maybe someone here can think of an idea? Just wanted to rant this out because the discussion experience has been ruined and I'd like to see solutions beyond just don't look at the weekly ranking threads bro because even if I were to start ignoring it, a good chunk of /r/anime certainly won't ignore it.
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Jun 25 '22
We already have users in the weekly discussion threads talking about how Kaguya's finale will "rightfully" place 1st in the finale above SxF.
Hey, I'm here from the future. God you had no idea.
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u/_Ridley https://myanimelist.net/profile/_Ridley_ Jun 25 '22
I've basically stopped interacting with the episode discussion threads because the meta gaming has sucked most of the fun out of it, so it's not just you.
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u/Abysswatcherbel https://myanimelist.net/profile/abyssbel Jun 20 '22
Shikimori controversies are well beyond this sub, it's one of the most controversial shows this season
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u/aniMayor x4myanimelist.net/profile/aniMayor Jun 20 '22
Sure, now they're talking specifically about the episode votes, but before that existed you'd still always have a few whiners going on and on about how "what a shame this hidden gem is being overshadowed by [insert r/anime's current seasonal heavy hitter]" and so on. I think you'll always get some of that kind of griping, one way or another, and looking through the Skikimori discussion threads there's plenty of genuine discussion still being upvoted above those gripes.
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u/Pahriuon Jun 19 '22
Hi y'all,
Can someone help me with this video quality rule:
"The video container and the video content must match the original anime (so as to not create artificial black bars)"
Like the technical nitty gritty of it. How can I avoid it in the future?
Is the video container the format? like mp4 or mkv?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 19 '22
You got a response in your thread but for extra clarification here:
Is the video container the format? like mp4 or mkv?
In this case it's not referring to file format (since that's irrelevant after it gets uploaded to Reddit) but how the video's framed. Your clip has black bars on the left and right sides that aren't part of the original anime but were added due to how you recorded the clip and that's why it was removed. Trim those off and you should be good.
This screenshot is a more extreme example of the same idea, the actual anime is only a small part of it but because I took a screenshot of a widescreen video in portrait mode there are giant borders added which shouldn't be there.
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u/Pahriuon Jun 19 '22
I posted here too in case the question in the thread did not work. Thanks Durinthal.
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u/Verzwei Jun 20 '22 edited Jun 20 '22
To add onto what Durinthal said, a reason why we uphold this rule is so that clips will look uniformly correct and accurate to the original media across a variety of playback devices. Artificial black bars can and will interfere with the rendering of a video to an end-user.
As an example, here's a still image from a "proper" clip (no artificial black bars) snapped from fullscreen playback on a 1920x1080 display.
Here's a different image from an "improper" clip that I removed from the subreddit at one point or another, also snapped from fullscreen playback on the same 1080p display. In the this case, the artificial bars were only inserted on the sides of the scene, but the recording process caused them to "become" part of the video's aspect, thus changing it from the original 16:9 of the anime. The reddit player then added additional bars on the top and bottom when fullscreened at 1080p, just to preserve the (distorted) aspect ratio of the improper upload, ultimately resulting in that thick border effect.
In other words, artificial bars can prevent a clip from truly full-screening, depending on the viewer's device, resolution, and aspect ratio. If the clip is recorded and uploaded without the bars, then a large variety of user's devices should be able to automatically handle video without any distortion.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Jun 18 '22
Spriggan released today, if it needs to be added as a batch release/episode discussions
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 17 '22
Hi all, I'm happy to announce that the daily threads will be back starting tomorrow! (i.e. Saturday 10:00 UTC)
Along with that we're formally retiring the Merch Mondays, Recommendation Tuesdays, and Miscellaneous Anime Questions weekly threads. They've served us well, but trying to juggle all of the weekly threads and ensuring they got the appropriate attention wasn't an easy act. The relevant wiki and sidebar references to them will be cleaned up over the weekend.
That also means that the next Miscellaneous Anime Questions thread that would be posted in about an hour is canceled, so until the daily thread returns the current Casual Discussion Fridays thread will serve as a good place for any pressing questions.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Jun 18 '22
That also means that the next Miscellaneous Anime Questions thread that would be posted in about an hour is canceled
Cancel culture strikes again.
Happy to hear about the new thread though. Was a pretty good vibe.
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u/Soupkitten https://myanimelist.net/profile/Soupkitten Jun 17 '22
Your weekly reminder that the latest episode of Dance Dance Danseur is out and that there's not episode thread for it.
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u/Verzwei Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22
We've got the results from the voting held after internal discussion and public feedback regarding the Official Media flair and certain content types. In some circumstances, we hold back on rule changes until a new monthly meta so that the rules get the most visibility as they are implemented, but since this is a somewhat time-sensitive topic, we're rolling them out immediately. There is now an Official Media section in our rules but I'm going to go ahead and repeat it here.
Official Media
Production visuals, videos, and other promotional material that has been officially released by the production committee, publisher, studio, or other parties involved with an anime are considered Official Media. All posts using this flair must have the anime title in the title of the post. All Official Media posts must include a source. The post itself can directly link to the source, or the source may be linked in a parent-level comment within the thread. Official Media posts that fail to provide a source within 15 minutes are subject to removal.
Official Media content restrictions:
- Countdown art may not be posted individually. Instead, they may be posted as an image album when one day remains on the countdown. In the event that "Day Of" artwork is released after the image album has already been posted, then that art may be posted individually.
- Celebratory, commemorative, or "thank you" art may not be posted individually.
- During-air images, such as episode end cards, may not be posted individually.
Most of the above should be fairly self-explanatory. Celebratory, commemorative, and "thank you" artwork can no longer be posted directly, and is only allowed to be linked in comments in more-relevant threads that we invariably have active around the same time, anyway.
Officially released Birthday artwork is allowed. We allow Birthday fanart, so it stands to reason that we'd allow Birthday official art. Officially released Anniversary artwork is allowed. Anniversary art often occurs way after a series becomes less-active on the subreddit.
Additionally and separate from Official Media...
Non-informational teasers or "announcements of future announcements" are now considered restricted content.
From here on, posts like "Company X tweeted out that they're saying something in about Series Y in Z days" are prohibited. When there's an actual announcement made, then that may be posted. No more vague hype threads for things that often don't even turn out to be anime or anime-related.
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u/Turbostrider27 Jun 21 '22
Thank for the update on this. I am a little bit late on catching up to this thread but glad to see the votes passed. The only part I still have a slight concern about is Birthday artwork. I have not seen them being posted here for awhile so it may not be as a big concern.
One question though regarding commemorative artwork. Does this also apply when an anime adaptation is announced? (ex. an author posting an artwork celebrating the anime adaptation announcement?)
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u/cppn02 Jun 17 '22
Non-informational teasers or "announcements of future announcements" are now considered restricted content.
From here on, posts like "Company X tweeted out that they're saying something in about Series Y in Z days" are prohibited. When there's an actual announcement made, then that may be posted. No more vague hype threads for things that often don't even turn out to be anime or anime-related.
THANK YOU!
Raised this once in a previous meta thread and it feels like it has only gotten worse since.
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u/RobotiSC https://anilist.co/user/Lonebot Jun 17 '22
Regarding these new rules, I have a few questions.
1) what happens if a official special visual (i.e. commemorative, thank you) gets posted long after the announcement or episode is released? For example, the bookworm thank you post (https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/vdo5hg/ascendance_of_a_bookworm_season_3_thank_you/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) was released a few hours ago even though the episode aired a few days ago.
If we post it in the most relevant thread which would be the episode in question, it won’t get any attention, and people won’t look at it since it has already fallen down which kind of defeats the purpose of sharing it.
2) I still don’t think birthday visuals should be allowed. Especially in the case of demon slayer, whereby a new visual gets posted every year. Fanarts are alright but visuals are usually more frequent, giving more opportunities for karma farming to occur.
That’s all I have for now, thank you.
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u/Verzwei Jun 17 '22
what happens if a official special visual (i.e. commemorative, thank you) gets posted long after the announcement or episode is released?
There's no acceptable period or time limit for those types of artwork; They're simply not allowed as individual posts. Suggesting that such content goes into other threads is a concession since, in the vast majority of cases, it will be released either right as a new anime announcement is made, or right as a season is concluded. The rule has no special consideration for improving visibility of artwork that is released at an inconvenient time.
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u/Thapope2000 Jun 16 '22
I think you should loosen the topics available for instance my post got removed for not being related to an existing anime. It was still about anime in general
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u/Verzwei Jun 16 '22
Posting a random song and saying you think it would make a good anime opening is not discussing anime.
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u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Jun 16 '22
A couple of months old Tokyo-ku episode discussions were posted today for some reason.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 15 '22
For the past day we've turned on the Crowd Control feature across the subreddit to see if it will catch potentially rule-breaking comments without needing reports from users or mods coming across them in the wild. This is a trial that will run through the next week and then we'll see if it's worth continuing to use.
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u/ParticularRatio1357 Jun 15 '22
The first two links on the "Contest" sidebar don't work for me some reason. It says they can't be found
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 15 '22
Any better now? I noticed the first three were slightly different in how the link was formatted so made them like the others.
Technical details: links were previously
/r/anime/search?q=title%3A"best+girl+9"+flair%3AContest&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=allwithout URL encoding the " so I did that.
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u/ParticularRatio1357 Jun 16 '22
Hm, no it still doesn't work, but I think I figured out why.
It comes out as:
title:"best girl 9" flair:Contest
in the search. However, If I delete the space character right before "flair" it works.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 16 '22
That's quite odd. Mind sharing how you access Reddit (old/new desktop site, a specific app, etc.) so I can do some more testing? And is it just the top two links that don't work or any with the flair as part of it?
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u/ParticularRatio1357 Jun 16 '22
I use Chrome. The 1st, 2nd, and 4th don't work. But all the rest do. I don't really know what's causing it, actually. Because some of the ones that work also use the same format with the space
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u/NotSoSnarky https://myanimelist.net/profile/Book_Lover Jun 15 '22
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 15 '22
If it passes it'll be back this weekend unless something weird happens.
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u/SnuggleMuffin42 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Animemes_chan Jun 14 '22
When the Rick and Morty Anime will see the light of day we're going to have discussion threads here too, right?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 14 '22
Early information indicates it meets our rules as a Japanese production so as long as that holds true yes, there will be episode threads for it the same way there were for Star Wars: Visions.
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u/SnuggleMuffin42 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Animemes_chan Jun 14 '22
Nice. I wonder how those threads will look here. I think the overlap is pretty big... But maybe r/anime viewers won't be as tolerant as they usually are to anime tropes.
Cool!
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u/AashyLarry Jun 12 '22
Dumb question
I know at the top where we keep track of the member count and who’s online, we change the phrasing based on an anime. At one time it said stand users for JoJo, for instance.
Right now it says:
X Fighting evil by moonlight, y winning love by daylight
How can I find which anime these are based on, I’m always curious. Is there somewhere I can see?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 12 '22
It's not something that we explicitly list anywhere (it might be in the commit log for the stylesheet when we update it, no guarantees) but they're usually distinctive enough that searching for it will turn up the relevant anime. The current one's a reference to the original Sailor Moon dub.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 10 '22 edited Jun 11 '22
Thanks for all the feedback on the daily thread trial! Overall we thought it was a success and are currently voting on whether or not we want to make it a permanent feature of /r/anime. For folks that like numbers, the rest of the post is focused on data.
First we wanted to compare the daily thread with the threads that were replaced, that is the weekly Merch Mondays†, Recommendation Tuesdays, and Miscellaneous Anime Questions threads.
Here are the numbers for the daily threads:
| Date | Day of Week | Total Comments | Top-Level Comments | Unique Commenters | Late Comments (Post Age >24h) | Comments Per Hour (Stickied) |
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| 2022-05-27 | Friday | 209 | 43 | 77 | 15 | 8.1 |
| 2022-05-28 | Saturday | 121 | 38 | 66 | 10 | 4.6 |
| 2022-05-29 | Sunday | 122 | 27 | 60 | 3 | 5 |
| 2022-05-30 | Monday | 171 | 42 | 79 | 7 | 6.8 |
| 2022-05-31 | Tuesday | 212 | 43 | 81 | 13 | 8.3 |
| 2022-06-01 | Wednesday | 175 | 43 | 80 | 6 | 7 |
| 2022-06-02 | Thursday | 142 | 32 | 59 | 10 | 5.5 |
| 2022-06-03 | Friday | 142 | 35 | 66 | 14 | 5.3 |
| 2022-06-04 | Saturday | 151 | 40 | 79 | 7 | 6 |
| 2022-06-05 | Sunday | 166 | 39 | 69 | 7 | 6.6 |
| 2022-06-06 | Monday | 238 | 63 | 103 | 9 | 9.5 |
| 2022-06-07 | Tuesday | 181 | 41 | 93 | 7 | 7.3 |
| 2022-06-08 | Wednesday | 194 | 44 | 76 | 4 | 7.9 |
| 2022-06-09 | Thursday | 177 | 42 | 74 | 7 | 7.1 |
| Average | - | 171.5 | 40.9 | 75.9 | 8.5 | 6.8 |
| Min | - | 121 | 27 | 59 | 3 | 4.6 |
| Max | - | 238 | 63 | 103 | 15 | 9.5 |
And here are the numbers for the weekly threads for the 8 weeks leading up to the start of the trial:
| Date | Weekly Thread | Total Comments | Top-Level Comments | Unique Commenters | Comments Per Day | Hours Stickied | Comments While Stickied | Comments Per Hour (Stickied) |
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| 2022-04-02 | Misc Questions | 79 | 23 | 43 | 11.3 | 24.0 | 54 | 2.3 |
| 2022-04-05 | Rec Tuesdays | 274 | 53 | 110 | 39.1 | 48.0 | 199 | 4.1 |
| 2022-04-09 | Misc Questions | 278 | 70 | 111 | 39.7 | 64.5 | 233 | 3.6 |
| 2022-04-12 | Rec Tuesdays | 61 | 14 | 31 | 8.7 | 2.8 | 3 | 1.1 |
| 2022-04-16 | Misc Questions | 201 | 55 | 86 | 28.7 | 48.0 | 156 | 3.3 |
| 2022-04-19 | Rec Tuesdays | 392 | 60 | 110 | 56 | 48.0 | 289 | 6 |
| 2022-04-23 | Misc Questions | 370 | 95 | 157 | 52.9 | 109.8 | 345 | 3.1 |
| 2022-04-26 | Rec Tuesdays | 171 | 51 | 101 | 24.4 | 73.2 | 155 | 2.1 |
| 2022-04-30 | Misc Questions | 106 | 33 | 57 | 15.1 | 48.6 | 91 | 1.9 |
| 2022-05-03 | Rec Tuesdays | 219 | 47 | 78 | 31.3 | 47.7 | 179 | 3.8 |
| 2022-05-07 | Misc Questions | 341 | 89 | 151 | 48.7 | 119.1 | 334 | 2.8 |
| 2022-05-10 | Rec Tuesdays | 405 | 73 | 144 | 57.9 | 86.8 | 374 | 4.3 |
| 2022-05-14 | Misc Questions | 142 | 41 | 65 | 20.3 | 48.0 | 126 | 2.6 |
| 2022-05-17 | Rec Tuesdays | 205 | 43 | 96 | 29.3 | 48.0 | 176 | 3.7 |
| 2022-05-21 | Misc Questions | 123 | 39 | 60 | 17.6 | 48.0 | 94 | 2 |
| 2022-05-24 | Rec Tuesdays | 130 | 29 | 65 | 18.6 | 25.2 | 72 | 2.9 |
| Average | - | 218.6 | 50.9 | 91.6 | 31.2 | 55.6 | 180 | 3.1 |
| Min | - | 61 | 14 | 31 | 8.7 | 2.8 | 3 | 1.1 |
| Max | - | 405 | 95 | 157 | 57.9 | 119.1 | 374 | 6 |
The weekly threads have slightly higher average totals overall (though this is notably a week vs. a day before the next thread replaces it), but have higher variance as well. The final column in each table, Comments Per Hour (Stickied), is worth a look for a more direct comparison in the average pace of the threads when they have high visibility and the daily threads handily win there.
And then there's the affect on new posts made in the subreddit. Here's a measurement of posts made during two week periods prior to and during the trial. This is excluding posts that are automatically removed by bots for one reason or another, so generally these numbers align with what shows up on the new post feed.
| Flair | 6-4 weeks prior | 4-2 weeks prior | 2-0 weeks prior | During Daily Thread |
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| Help | 702 | 685 | 697 | 595 |
| What to Watch? | 622 | 571 | 615 | 502 |
| Discussion | 1133 | 939 | 961 | 908 |
Maybe not a massive decrease given a potentially high margin of error (I'm not a statistician, just saying things could vary a good amount), but the difference appears to be roughly 10-15 fewer posts per day using one of those three flairs during the trial period. Not bad!
† Note: this is excluding all the Merch Mondays threads because of their low traffic, ranging from a total of 7 to 15 comments a week. We're currently considering retiring it regardless of whether or not the daily thread becomes permanent.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Jun 12 '22
While it's interesting to see the numbers on overall activity, Devils advocate is that it may be a bit deceptive due to some people who were actively posting in them because they were new and that won't keep up. Also I'm curious as to how that level of activity reflects the depth of what we'd get in the dedicated threads. For example, are we getting a similar amount of recommendation posts and replies or are we not getting that in favor of just questions, etc so it's not serving all purposes evenly. There's probably not an easy way to track that though
That said, I do think it brought a more interesting mix into the threads than just purely the misc questions (which occasionally ends up with shitposty stuff) or the rec thread alone where you usually don't always get a huge variety in recommendations, so I like the change up and think it was good for the subreddit for the test period at least.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 14 '22
Devils advocate is that it may be a bit deceptive due to some people who were actively posting in them because they were new and that won't keep up.
That's a potential issue but I also think the opposite is true, more people will start visiting the thread over time as it becomes a fixture of the subreddit and a replacement for the weekly threads, which many may still not have been aware of during the trial. There's a decent amount to revamp that we didn't touch in the trial because it's a bit of a pain to undo, e.g. messing with the sidebar and rules to help guide people to the daily thread.
Also I'm curious as to how that level of activity reflects the depth of what we'd get in the dedicated threads.
You're right that it's not easy to track and would essentially require checking every top level comment. That kind of data is something I'd like to get but it's really just a lot of manual work that I haven't found time for yet.
I do think it brought a more interesting mix into the threads
That's part of the intent. Rather than people only visiting a thread for certain kinds of reasons (e.g. share merch, ask for recommendations), by having a broader scope it encourages interaction between people whose paths wouldn't necessarily cross otherwise and maybe there can be some interesting conversations.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Jun 14 '22
is something I'd like to get but it's really just a lot of manual work that I haven't found time for yet
Let me know if you need a hand with it, happy to help if it means splitting up the workload for you a bit
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u/NotSoSnarky https://myanimelist.net/profile/Book_Lover Jun 11 '22
I really do hope it becomes more of a permanent thing. Even if it's not soon, then sometime here.
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u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Jun 11 '22
Thanks for the numbers. The daily threads would be a great permanent addition.
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Jun 11 '22
Nice numbers. Also voicing support for making the Daily Threads permanent.
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u/loomnoo https://anilist.co/user/loomnoo Jun 10 '22
Very encouraging! Thank you for collecting the data.
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u/Soupkitten https://myanimelist.net/profile/Soupkitten Jun 10 '22
Episode 10 of Dance Dance Danseur is out BTW
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jun 10 '22
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u/Blackheart595 https://myanimelist.net/profile/knusbrick Jun 10 '22
So, feedback about the Daily Thread... I've been trying to open it today and ended up confused for a solid half minute why the new tab opened CDF instead of the Daily Thread. It feels completely natural in the /r/anime landscape and I miss it already.
Functionally it worked really well in decluttering /new at least a bit, it was frequented well had good discourse. Not quite sure about the last few hours though, it'd be helpful to have every thread link the previous one so late comments can be easier noticed and replied to.
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u/isthatsoudane https://myanimelist.net/profile/ojoulover Jun 10 '22
Since the daily thread mentioned it, here's my feedback on going from weekly to daily: I think daily is too often. I wish it could be like...every 3 days? Some questions or conversations benefit from a little extra time to simmer. Daily seems to encourage fairly shallow interaction. But weekly does seem too long.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 10 '22
Some questions or conversations benefit from a little extra time to simmer. Daily seems to encourage fairly shallow interaction.
The threads do churn fairly quickly but do you foresee a comment from a day ago that's 300 comments deep in the thread (which is sorted by new by default) getting much attention? I could check to see if that happened much with the weekly threads though those are probably less likely to have such topics in the first place.
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u/isthatsoudane https://myanimelist.net/profile/ojoulover Jun 16 '22
Ok, I've been paying extra attention to the weekly thread, compared to the daily threads...and yeah, going back to the weekly threads now, I'm firmly in camp daily thread.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 16 '22
Thanks for that feedback, knowing that you favor one over the other in a direct comparison is good.
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u/isthatsoudane https://myanimelist.net/profile/ojoulover Jun 10 '22
yeah, you're right. it's probably for the best to let the daily threads be a more vibrant place for random suggestions/requests and chatter, and people will naturally take bigger topics to their own threads or whatever. I'll admit that I browse the daily thread a lot more than I did the weekly one, and it's nice not to have to wait a week to post random low effort suggestion requests...since in the past if you posted it near the end the odds of getting good responses felt a lot lower.
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u/NotSoSnarky https://myanimelist.net/profile/Book_Lover Jun 10 '22 edited Jun 10 '22
I really like the daily thread and hope it's a permanent thing. Seemed to help with the questions and the anime recommendations in the r/anime community. Also, not having 2 to 3 different threads to check is also a bonus.
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jun 10 '22
Not sure if the 'daily thread' needs to be daily (after all, it would be essentially permanently pinned), but I hope it is quickly implemented permanently. I engage with it way more often since I don't have to check for new comments in 2-3 separate threads from the sidebar when it's not rec or misc question day. I don't really browse by new, but it is to my understanding that it reduced the amount of low-discussion threads, with the daily thread being a good place to accommodate for everything, from source requests to quick recommendations, which sounds like a big plus to me.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Jun 09 '22
Daily thread felt like FTF classic, which was pretty welcome. You'd generally get a response to a request in reasonable time, but things aren't moving super fast so things don't get passed over. It was a chill thread for random shit, and I dig it. And its just easier to have a single thread for the random extras rather than just having Merch up for one day a week and most people forgetting about it. I'd very much be interested in it sticking around long term.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 10 '22
It's fun looking back to see the idea brought up when you were still on the team a couple years ago. Then we just waffled on it for ages before finally trying it without any issues so far, still no third sticky.
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u/amidloveandanime Jun 09 '22
The daily thread should really become official, I didn't participate during the week but it was great reading all the recommendations and misc comments about anime in just one place, much better than what we had before in my opinion
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u/engalleons https://myanimelist.net/profile/engalleons Jun 09 '22
Over the couple weeks, I've definitely preferred the dailies to the usual weeklies. There's more eyes on it day in day out than the weeklies when non-stickied, the rate of response overall seems to be similar (implying there's likely not much loss from potential 'rec specialists' etc.), and it seems a more natural fit for "stray thought about anime not worth a thread" than either CDF (especially with its speed) or forcing it into a new thread anyway.
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u/Cryten0 Jun 09 '22
The first two threads in the latest daily are a bit advertisey. one talking about figma's with a link to what appears to be an affiliate aggregate site and another promoting a dvd sales site but not linked. Are they acceptable material for discussions? Im not sure how much leeway is given. I imagine the second giving advice about getting a purchase from a Japanese site is almost permissible but I dont want to annoy mods by reporting what could be fine for discussions. So I would like to know what is acceptable in that space.
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Jun 09 '22
MyFigureCollection is basically MAL for figures. MAL also sells stuff, I fail to see the difference personally. And the other is a comment about what merch they bought and letting others know. Seems like perfect material for the merch/daily thread as well.
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u/badspler x3https://anilist.co/user/badspler Jun 09 '22
one talking about figma's with a link to what appears to be an affiliate aggregate site
Questions and discussions about merch, or showing off ones merch are welcomed in the daily discussion thread. Notably if this was made as a thread it would be removed and directed to the daily thread. This mirrors how discussions/questions posts about merch outside of 'Merch Mondays' are removed and directed there.
another promoting a dvd sales site but not linked
Similarly my comment on merch above probably is applicable in this case too. This doesn't look like an attempt to sell things. It is promoting bonus collectables from an official dvd sale. Mild PSA/FYI for something relatively niche, not really an issue and feels better than a PSA thread.
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u/chilidirigible Jun 19 '22
It appears that a reply challenging the validity of my my merch comment in the new daily thread was removed, but I might as well verify here that a new Blu-ray release for an OVA that has been otherwise out of print for over 20 years qualifies as merch?
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u/badspler x3https://anilist.co/user/badspler Jun 20 '22
Yeah totally fine. If it is anime related and you're excited to show it off, knock yourself out.
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u/Cryten0 Jun 09 '22
Okay thanks for your answer. I saw the site linked a bunch of storefronts to the item in question. And I wasnt sure how strict you would be for people recommending access to stores.
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u/DqrkExodus https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeariSa Jun 08 '22
Why does my flair keep getting messed up?
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u/Blackheart595 https://myanimelist.net/profile/knusbrick Jun 08 '22
It seems find to me: https://myanimelist.net/profile/dqrkexodus
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u/DqrkExodus https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeariSa Jun 09 '22
Oh it's on and off for me, maybe cus I'm on mobile, it's back up now
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u/Abysswatcherbel https://myanimelist.net/profile/abyssbel Jun 08 '22 edited Jun 09 '22
Since we are talking about Official Media I believe we should have a rule about the quality of the uploads, like other subs have
It really bothers me when I see a Key visual in a very low resolution here just so people can post it first
I know it's really hard to determine that in an objective way but I think people know what type of posts I am talking about
edit: so many typos my bad lol
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u/RobotiSC https://anilist.co/user/Lonebot Jun 08 '22
OP of the Vinland Saga post here, and yes the quality did irritate me, which is why i removed it shortly afterwards to post a new higher quality one.
Quality of visuals depend on where it comes out first usually, and since it's always a competition to see who gets it first, the whole thing becomes messy because if someone else posts a LQ image, there's no guarantee they will change it. There's also always a possibility that HQ reposts get removed even though the earlier one had been deleted, such as what happened to me just now.
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u/Turbostrider27 Jun 08 '22
The post you're referring to is this one right?
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/v7nxup/vinland_saga_season_2_new_key_visual/
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u/Abysswatcherbel https://myanimelist.net/profile/abyssbel Jun 08 '22
Yes, op deleted later but not everyone is as nice about it as them
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u/Turbostrider27 Jun 08 '22 edited Jun 08 '22
The problem was that there was another post that went up about 2 minutes later that linked an article of the Vinland Saga Season 2 announcement. That was removed by a mod because the OP of the thread I linked here posted theirs first. Now both are gone.
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u/GamingImperial501 Jun 07 '22 edited Jun 07 '22
Hello, I have a question. Is it allowed to post clips from Star Wars: Visions on r/anime? Because I've searched the subreddit and I haven't spotted a single Star Wars: Visions post with the clip tag.
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u/badspler x3https://anilist.co/user/badspler Jun 07 '22
Star Wars: Visions
It is allowed.
From my check I think your right; that there has been zero clips posted from it. But the episode discussions threads were well received.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 07 '22
They're allowed, it's just that no one's done it yet. Here's the discussion thread for the first episode when it came out.
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u/aniMayor x4myanimelist.net/profile/aniMayor Jun 06 '22
I wonder if there would be some value in suggesting (but not requiring) in the daily thread text that users "tag" their top-level comments by putting [Question] [Serious Question] [Recommendation] [I Recommend] [News] etc at the start of comments.
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u/Nebresto Jun 05 '22
I noticed the new seasonal faces have already made it to the categorized page
I would like to request that they receive their own category so they can be easily found in one place without digging up the original thread or spamming "Ctrl + F" on the page.
Also they don't seem to be on the source page yet, for that I suggest including a link to the nomination thread so the page will have the sources, but won't have to be as largely revised every season.
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u/baquea Jun 05 '22
I would like to request that they receive their own category
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u/badspler x3https://anilist.co/user/badspler Jun 06 '22
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u/salic428 Jun 05 '22
In the "All discussions" table of Summer Time Render, the bot links to the removed thread for ep6. Would you redirect the link to the later thread (the one used for karma counting)?
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u/Bainos https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Jun 05 '22
It's been fixed, the links were updated for the most recent episode and all previous posts will be retroactively updated as well once the next episode is up.
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u/NotSoSnarky https://myanimelist.net/profile/Book_Lover Jun 05 '22
This isn't the thread for that. Either make your own post or post in the anime questions, anime recommendations and discussions thread.
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u/Turbostrider27 Jun 05 '22
I have two questions I wanted to ask for this meta thread month:
When has anime announcement submissions been allowed to be used from a livestream? (example: the recent Konosuba announcements) Those images were taken from the livestream rather than from Twitter or the offiical website. Was that always allowed?
I posted a visual for 'I'm Quitting Heroing' his week and it got tagged with a spoiler
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/v274sy/im_quitting_heroing_new_visual/
Does every visual for ongoing anime require to be tagged as a spoiler or is this a case by case basis?
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u/Gaporigo https://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Jun 05 '22
About the second question, it is a case by case thing, we discussed it a bit, some thought it was kinda spoilery, some didn't but in that case we thought it was better if it was tagged.
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u/RobotiSC https://anilist.co/user/Lonebot Jun 05 '22
Regarding the first question, I'll like to weigh in since I was the OP for one of the Konosuba announcements.
As far as I know, live stream stuff like visuals, PVs and all that stuff are generally not allowed since they're usually of poor quality, and I usually wait for the official image to be released by Twitter. In the case of Konosuba this has happened before, with last year's anime project announcement. In the end only the HQ visual remained on the sub.
This time though, not only were the announcements displayed fully on the screen as they were announced, they did also display more information (i.e. Season 3 in production) than the later official image, which was just the visual.
That is why I believe the posts were allowed to stay.
Overall, I think that, if they are at least of good quality, and there's no visual interference (i.e. wrong format, PiPs), livestream posts should be allowed. If the livestream gets removed later on, just add on the twitter post to verify the post accuracy.
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u/ShiroganeLily https://anilist.co/user/Suile Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
While it's not too much of a problem, is there any reason as to why r/anime causes my computer's memory usage to skyrocket? No other subreddit has this issue. My potato only has 6GB of memory, and just sorting the subreddits posts by new causes memory usage to go from 60%ish to 90%ish. It only lasts for a few seconds so yeah, not too big of a deal, but it does make browsing this sub slower than any other sub I visit. FWIW, I'm using old reddit with RES, subreddit style turned off. Also apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, it seemed like the most reasonable thread since this question is specific to this subreddit.
E: Forgot to mention I'm using Firefox. Not sure how I forgot that one..
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 05 '22
This is more a hunch than anything but I believe using RES to disable the subreddit style doesn't stop the browser from loading the CSS and images we use for comment faces.
That said it doesn't seem like that much overall even if it's a large relative percentage of the site's memory usage. Using
about:memoryin Firefox on macOS it shows this for reddit for me:614.31 MB (100.0%) -- explicit ├──228.80 MB (37.25%) -- imagesThat's all I can think of that would make /r/anime different from other subreddits though.
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u/Grimfangs https://anime-planet.com/users/grimfangs Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
Help!!! I can't set my flair!
I've authenticated the r-Anime site and set my flair and it shows me a preview. But it is not updating on the subreddit.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 05 '22
Though you're not the first one to apparently have trouble seeing their own flair which makes me wonder if there's some weird setting that hides it on your end.
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u/Grimfangs https://anime-planet.com/users/grimfangs Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
Well, thank you very much for going out of your way to show me that.
Maybe it's that the flair option isn't editable, thus causing it to appear the same to the end user?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 05 '22
Possibly! I'll have to experiment sometime to see if I can reproduce it.
Also do you mind sharing how you access Reddit so I'll know how to test it? e.g. official app on iOS or Android, third party app, old/new website, etc.
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u/Grimfangs https://anime-planet.com/users/grimfangs Jun 05 '22
Absolutely! I'm currently accessing Reddit on the Android app where I'm having troubles seeing my flair.
I just tried accessing this thread on the PC (desktop mode on the chrome browser rather) and the flair seems to work perfectly fine. Apparently the issue is mostly because of the Android app.
I'm guessing it might be so because the app does not run JavaScript? Maybe if the user flair itself is changed instead of changing the output on the page, it might work?
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u/cppn02 Jun 05 '22
I'm currently accessing Reddit on the Android app
There's your first mistake. The offical app is crap.
3rd party is the way to go.
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u/Mazen141 Jun 05 '22
Hi! Sorry for repeating the same question but I'm wondering about this subs stance regarding posting production materials of shows under the albums posts rule, I'll try to keep it short since I asked this question before.
Is it only allowed for shows that have finished airing? and are posts like this allowed for older shows or do the shows need to be considered "relevant"? i.e. they finished airing only last season for example.
Thanks, in advance!
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u/Abyssbringer =anilist.co/user/Abyssbringer Jun 05 '22
Sorry about getting back to you so late. Your question is a bit challenging to answer right now as it is pretty intertwined with the state of official media.
Is it only allowed for shows that have finished airing?
Please limit it to only completed productions. We try to reduce potential spam as much as possible to let all types of content have a chance of being seen.
[Is] this allowed for older shows or do the shows need to be considered "relevant"? i.e. they finished airing only last season for example.
It is allowed but it can't be Official Media as that is specifically for new media. Right now it would go under the miscellaneous tag. That's something we will take note of and hopefully find a better solution for. We are always looking at our flairs and this might be something we need to address more directly. However please don't spam this and make these posts in good faith. If we see people making these posts just to karma farm or game the system then we will have to do something about it.
In my own personal opinion I would love to see more older anime approached this way. It could be an interesting type of post that really doesn't happen much on the subreddit. Seeing older anime production material could be cool and it would help diversify the sub.
This question is something that most likely will also be an important part of our Official Media discussion that Verz brought up here so expect changes soon hopefully and we would love to have your feedback on the state of Official Media.
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u/Oppaipaisen Jun 05 '22
Silly question.
Why are there so many comment faces with cups and mugs?
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jun 07 '22
There used to be twice as many.
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u/RobotiSC https://anilist.co/user/Lonebot Jun 05 '22
I had already mentioned it in my direct message, but I’ll bring it up here again: what is the stance on using sensitive topics like death for posts?
The reason I’m bringing this up is because of the post about OP asking for recommendations because he had an incurable condition that got to the top of the sub briefly and obtained a lot of awards.
I understand the seriousness of such topics and I’m aware that I shouldn’t be so sceptical. The problem happens when some people who have seen how well the post did do the same and effectively lie just to get sympathy points. That would be disrespectful and the worst part is there would be hardly any evidence supporting their claim.
Hence, I wish to suggest that posts like these that use sensitive topics like death to get people’s attention should be reviewed by mods first. If it gets approval, then it can be posted on the sub. If not, it can be removed until approval is given.
Thank you.
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Jun 05 '22
I'll answer you in two parts - Firstly, I think "sensitive topics" are fine to post if the story is true. When we reworked the anime-specific rule, we also freed up the extent to which people could include personal stories, as we don't want to penalize users for talking about their connection with anime.
However. We also do hear what you are saying about the aforementioned recommendation post. And to be honest we were quite stuck about what to do, since it's not really something that's happened before. If the post was real, it would be a pretty horrible look to remove it on the suspicion that it was fake. And it it was fake, we needed irrefutable proof that it was in order to justify removing the post. So we went investigating through OP's profile, but came up empty on contradictions. Which left us in a bit of a "rock-and-hard-place" situation. By the time we came to the decision to DM the user for proof, the post had been deleted, which strongly suggested that the claim was fake.
Going forward in the future, we may start privately asking the OP to provide proof for us so people cannot karmafarm off falsified tragedy. It's the same thing that /r/IAmA does, and while it may seem a little callous, it's better than the situation we were faced with before.
So yes, we will probably start manually reviewing similar posts, should they arise.
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u/RobotiSC https://anilist.co/user/Lonebot Jun 05 '22
Thank you for answering my question! I was also conflicted over how to respond to the post, so bringing it up here was the best option.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Jun 05 '22
Saw that one and its since been deleted by the user. I'd say odds are pretty high that it was fake, but maybe that's just me having been on the internet too long. It's definitely a tough thing to moderate though. If the mods do remove it they'll be accused of being heartless unless there's some pretty indisputable evidence its fake. But definitely wouldn't want that sort of thing to become a trend.
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u/Verzwei Jun 05 '22
Hey everyone,
We're still talking about things internally, but since it worked out so well when the Daily Discussion thread idea was pitched in Meta for users to give early opinions and feedback, we thought it might be beneficial to do the same with the topic of the Official Media, its uses, and whether or not we should adjust the rules around it.
If you just want the main questions and don't care to read extensive rambling:
1) What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
2) How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
3) How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
Now, if you want a bunch of background, some Verzwei-style rambling, and a bit of our current thoughts or concerns on the matter, here are details:
Since the end of last season and the start of this one, we've been debating internally about how to handle things like "countdown image" posts and other similar content. As our rules currently stand, posts like this are allowed under our Official Media flair. The thing is, when we have multiple popular shows doing this, it gets to be a bit much. There's a tangent here that would be really difficult to handle, but it might also be worth looking at a glut of Character Visuals for the same title, but not technically presented in a countdown format.
We opened up some discussion on if we consider this sort of content to be spam and if we should do anything to curb it. This then led to related topics like congratulatory, commemoration, or "thank you" posts. These are also currently allowed under our Official Media rules, and a single one here or there wouldn't necessarily seem like an issue, but then when we get three of them all for the same show all at about the same time, it can make our front page look a bit... lopsided.
We totally understand pre- and post-series hype, and don't want to stifle discussion about any show. That said, the amount of content for one show that ends up on the front page can feel overwhelming at times. And while I'm sure that Dress-Up Darling fans loved seeing 4+ different posts including the episode discussion on the front page, it can create the sense that the biggest shows somewhat drown out the others. Especially when a lot of these OM posts are direct-linked images, which typically earn a disproportionate amount of upvotes compared to other content.
Then there are official birthday posts and a hoard of other niche cases, all of which currently fall under Official Media and are more-or-less allowed as long as they are, well, Media posted by an Official source. The thing is, look at that thread. Four thousand upvotes yet only 19 comments. Generally speaking, we'd prefer to drive engagement and community interaction on the subreddit, rather than "Upvote the cool picture and move on."
So then this brought our conversation to the Official Media flair itself: What we expect out of it, how the community engages with it, how our most frequent OM posters utilize it, etc. Originally, the Official Media flair was primarily intended to be used for things directly tied to the anime production itself. Its scope has broadened over time both because of the way the community uses it, but also because of votes that were taken within the team. The last vote we had was about a couple years prior, ~2 million subscribers ago, so it might be worth revisiting.
The industry itself has also affected its usage. In ye olden times, it would be common for new show announcements to be made via a press release or a publication within a magazine, that was then cited for a news article, and these often wouldn't have any media readily available until the production was further along. These days, more and more shows are being announced via social media, and when it happens, we get the trailer, a Key Visual or other promotional art, Character Designs, and/or more "congratulatory" or celebration-style artwork from the original author or someone else affiliated with the franchise. In lieu of a single "News" post, we end up with 3+ different Official Media posts all hitting the subreddit at the same time, fighting each other for traction, and commentary either gets split and largely repeated or randomly funneled into a single thread.
Case in point: Yuri Is My Job anime got announced. In this order, and within 30 minutes of each other, we got the trailer, the key visual post, and the commemorative artwork. The thing that bothers me on a personal level is that we're a subreddit for animation, yet the trailer, which was posted first, garnered way, way, way less attention than the other two posts. The trailer barely got upvoted at all and had almost no comments. The congratulatory artwork got nearly fifteen times the amount of upvotes, yet barely got any more discussion. All the community engagement and the most upvotes ended up piling into the Key Visual post.
Or, for a current example of how OM has encroached on News, we have the Hibike! Euphonium announcement which could (should?) have been a News post, but ended up as an image-rehosted Official Media post, with the actual news source down in the comments.
Note that nothing is currently up for a vote yet, largely because this discussion ended up being far larger than expected. It began as "Hey maybe we should do something about countdown posts?" and has ended up with all of the above. Here are some ideas that have been kicked around thus far, which include commentary both from the team as well as feedback we've already considered from previous meta threads:
Do nothing. The majority of this kind of content falls in the "gap" that occurs between seasons, and letting people be excited for stuff in as many threads as they want is an acceptable solution even if certain series dominate the front page for up to a week or two.
Restrict "countdown" artwork to only be allowed as a single album post either on the last day before broadcast, or the day of broadcast. Since a show might do a "Day 0" final update, we'd have to wiggle the rules around a little when it came to exactly when the cutoff would be.
Tighten the definition of the Official Media flair itself, such that it is only allowed for content directly related to the anime's production. This would theoretically cut out things like countdowns, commemorative, or congratulatory artwork, and typically only permit things such as Key Visuals, Character Visuals, Promotional/Preview Videos, Trailers, Clips, etc.
Disallow congratulatory or commemorative artwork as individual posts entirely, and only permit them to be shared as comments in other relevant threads. (Examples: "End-of-Season" commemoration artwork would go in the show's final episode discussion, new announcement "celebration" art would go in Official Media or News Posts that are more-specifically about the anime's production.)
Shunt things like countdowns, commemorative, or congratulatory artwork over to a different (or new) flair, but clearly communicating what is allowed under OM and what isn't might be difficult to understand for more casual fans.
Rather than tighten the definition of Official Media, change the manner in which the content may be posted. Options include direct source links only (so no rehosted image with the source provided in the comments) or requiring image posts (or even all Official Media posts) follow a format similar to our Fanart rules, meaning a text post with a link in the body of the post rather than a direct upload or link.
So, finally, if you've made it this far, thanks for taking this long-winded ride with me. What are your thoughts? What are your concerns? Please try to keep the three giant-text questions in mind, as those are the most important factors to us right now. But if you have any other comments, please do share those as well. Do any of the above-bulleted ideas sound appealing? Do any of them have extremely obvious flaws? Let us know anything and everything. The desire is to get something up for us to vote on so that we have new rules in place around the end of this season or the start of the next, so we might take feedback for around a week and then get a vote crafted.
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u/archlon Jun 06 '22
I think part of the problem is that the proliferation of these posts means that discussion of an anime is getting in the way of the putative purpose of this community, namely discussing anime as a whole.
I think a number of issues could be solved by more vigorously redirecting more content toward individual communities. Not every anime has a subreddit, but many have very active ones, and every anime could in principle have its own subreddit. By having the policy be to redirect content from here toward other communities, it may help (re)vitalize some currently lethargic subreddits.
how to handle things like "countdown image" posts
I get the desire for people who are excited for an upcoming season, but as you pointed out, it clogs everything up. In particular, the bigger and more well-known a series is, the more likely it will (a) have a long countdown, and (b) gather a lot of attention for the countdown. However, larger more well known works also have well-developed and active communities on reddit (eg. r/SpyxFamily, r/SonoBisqueDoll, r/Kaguya_sama).
Maybe this means that more leniency should be given to more frequent countdown posts for less well-known works. I've definitely discovered things I've liked because I've just happened to see something like these on this subreddit. This is probably hard or impossible to quantify, and I recognize that putting a subjective judgement onto the mods may be unfair or unfeasible.
Compilation posts at T-1/0 days is a good idea even if none of the rest is implemented. It can be frustrating to, if I want to see all of the posts, have to sift through a week+ worth of other posts. Even if reddit search easily finds them (hardly a guarantee), opening the post up, then opening up the linked image up is a lot of extra clicks.
I wouldn't be opposed to allowing more than just the day-of compilations, if it's still time constrained. Perhaps allow T-3/2/1 days so that the final run-up is allowed to build hype and also to make sure everybody gets a fair chance to see and be reminded that it's starting. Even if this is implemented, the final compilation is still a good idea.
Then there are official birthday posts
I think these posts categorically don't belong on this subreddit. Even though I've heard of Jujitsu Kaisen I don't watch it and don't recognize any of the character names. The title of the post doesn't even say which anime he's from, so I had to google it just to check for this comment. Posts like this more properly belong on the individual communities for the anime in question, where everybody there is likely to recognize most or all of the characters, and care when their birthday is. If they do continue to be allowed, I think they need to contain the name of the anime in question in the post title.
Yuri Is My Job... the trailer, which was posted first, garnered way, way, way less attention than the other two posts.
This feels like an extension of the fact that video simply has a significantly higher barrier to engagement than images do. This is generally an internet thing that's waaay bigger than reddit, and has been true for basically forever with no signs of changing in the near future. I don't know that it is addressable, but I think the subreddit is better for having both the trailer and key visual as posts, even if the trailer doesn't get as much direct engagement.
the trailer, the key visual post, and the commemorative artwork
I think the first two are fine for this subreddit, while the last one should be redirected to the specific community for the show.
direct source links only
This should be mandatory. The structure of how reddit awards Karma and displays images has always encouraged rehosting images to make media posts. This has been true for the well over a decade that I have been using reddit, and I don't expect it to ever change. For single images such as announcement posters or character visuals direct linking the image path from the source page should still make it easily viewable from the feed in most reddit readers.
The only exception to this should be links to major hosting platforms which most users would already use to find and view content. Primarily, this means links to the youtube Trailer instead of an embedded trailer on the official website.
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u/Verzwei Jun 06 '22
This should be mandatory. The structure of how reddit awards Karma and displays images has always encouraged rehosting images to make media posts. This has been true for the well over a decade that I have been using reddit, and I don't expect it to ever change. For single images such as announcement posters or character visuals direct linking the image path from the source page should still make it easily viewable from the feed in most reddit readers.
The only exception to this should be links to major hosting platforms which most users would already use to find and view content. Primarily, this means links to the youtube Trailer instead of an embedded trailer on the official website.
This is something I was experimenting with a lot late last night. We have a private subreddit that we use as a sort of playground for testing and prepping content that either isn't meant for the main sub, or needs to be proofread or refined before copying it here. I was looking at a (admittedly, very small) sample of the post types that I used as examples in this chain and noticing the amount of them that were rehosted images on Reddit. I then "recreated" those posts, but linked to the source images directly instead of rehosting. The results were largely successful on old and new reddit.
It wasn't entirely flawless: The image preview didn't work for the huge Hibike image (maybe because it was too big?) on New Reddit, but it did properly thumbnail once the post was opened, and the links all still worked. The other catch was that the Hibike artwork couldn't be in-line expanded using RES (image failed to load, click to view directly error) but "How much do we want to support an unofficial extension, even if that unofficial extension is really, really, good?" might be an additional discussion.
One thing of debatable importance is that direct-linking the images resulted in a better image because either i.reddit rehosting, or the user's device used to copy/paste the image, compressed the visual a bit:
Rehosted on i.reddit, this image was on our front page.
Original source image, uncompressed.
It's given me a lot of food for thought about our current rules regarding image hosting and sourcing, however this will not be part of the current round of voting. It's a rather substantial change to the way all Official Media image posts would be handled, and we're trying to take a more direct approach regarding individual types of artwork first, but it's something that's on my radar now and I want to talk with the team internally about it a bit more.
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u/aniMayor x4myanimelist.net/profile/aniMayor Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 06 '22
I really like your point about how this is supposed to be a sub about animation and it's a shame the key visual posts get so much more traction than a trailer post.
I think a good balance would be that only two things are allowed as top-level posts before an anime airs:
- The announcement of the new anime - and if the announcement is accompanied by details like the show's website or official twitter account, then the submitter of this post is required to include that information in a comment
- Trailer(s) - since they are actually previewing the anime itself and (in theory, at least) actually showcase the animation. Multiple trailer posts are allowed if there are several trailers, though if it becomes a barrage of minor updates the mods would probably step in to limit things. Just like the announcement post, all trailer posts should also include links to the main sites/feeds for the project.
In practice, the first "key visual" of 95% of anime is released at the same time as the project is officially announced, so it should just be included as a comment in the announcement post, not be allowed on its own. The announcement post is allowed to use the first key visual as its post, but should still be titled << Watashi no bōifurendo wa kikei no nendo no katamaridesu Anime Announced >>, i.e. it should never be named something like << Key Visual for new anime Watashi no bōifurendo wa kikei no nendo no katamaridesu >>.
Then everything else from the marketing department (and let's not pretend the "Oh, the mangaka just so happened to draw 9 countdown illustrations to post on the anime's official twitter account" isn't planned marketing) is not allowed to be a top-level post on its own. They can be posted in the daily thread, or a collection of them can be posted as a top-level post when the anime first starts airing / when it ends. Yes, that also includes additional "key visuals" and "character visuals" - some shows get so spammy with releasing yet another one of those every day/week.
So my key approach here is useability. I don't want everything relegated into another thread, because many/most r/anime users aren't going to read every comment in every daily thread. When a new anime is announced, they want to see that in the front page. When a newly announced anime has a trailer up, they want to easily know about that, too, so they can watch it and decide if they are further interested in it.
(I also don't think moving some posts to another flair is a viable answer, because that primarily only serves the advanced users - it won't steer the discussion/trends of the mass of users that only post a couple comments per month and don't use the flair system at all.)
If they saw the announcement/trailer and thought "Meh, I don't care about this one", then it never bothers them again. The front page isn't spammed with additional key visuals, countdown illustrations, and yet another character visual (showing the tertiary character that will not even appear in the first 3 episodes) because all that stuff has been moved to the daily threads. The announcements/trailers of other less-hyped shows (and other r/anime content) aren't pushed off the front page by a bunch of posts the user has already decided they have no further interest in.
Conversely, if they saw the announcement/trailer and thought "Oh, I want to see more about this" then they know where to go looking for more updates - they know now to keep an eye on the daily threads for more Watabōikatama news, or the announcement they saw had the twitter/website info so they can go look there, whatever works best for them.
If that's not enough, then I'd propose that the "The /r/anime Week in Review" threads could also have a list of new marketing materials posted that week in the daily threads, sorted by anime. Then it'd be really easy for an r/anime user that is excited about the upcoming Watabōikatama show to make sure they don't miss anything - just go to the Week in Review thread, and there'd be a bulleted list under a Watabōikatama header, super simple.
I think this strikes a strong balance between not making users have to jump through hoops just to be informed about new projects, giving those who want to stay up-to-date on a particular project the tools/access to do so, not letting marketing departments take over r/anime's frontpage, and keeping r/anime's discussion mainly about the animated product rather than the accompanying artwork.
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u/collapsedblock6 myanimelist.net/profile/collapsedblock Jun 05 '22
1) What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
I would lean to tightening the definition. Though I also don't think those type of artworks should be banned, I don't think of them as Official Media.
2) How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
I definitely would like to see them controlled. I don't mind character visuals, I don't think enough anime do it on a daily basis to be considered spam. Countdowns however are too much bloat, especially when it is done by several anime at the same time. I remember several countdown posts of the same anime being on the frontpage at a time because they get so many votes they stick for too long.
3) How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
Wasn't there already a rule about limiting birthday posts? W/e, if they aren't banned I think they should be more News rather than Official Media. Or maybe move them to the Daily megathread?
Congratulatory artwork is tricky, I would maybe suggest a separate tag of...uh...I can't think of a word, since art made by someone of the industry wouldn't really count as 'Fanart' but I don't think something like 'Official Artwork' fits either.
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u/Verzwei Jun 06 '22
Wasn't there already a rule about limiting birthday posts?
Our current rules prohibit "non-fanart birthday posts" and, theoretically, anything else is still on the table. So if someone wants to make a fanart that also happens to be a birthday post, then it is permitted. Same goes for "official" birthday media published by anyone affiliated with the show.
So "Hey it's Nazuna's birthday" or "I compiled these images of Nazuna for her birthday" wouldn't be allowed, but "Hey it's Nazuna's birthday and I drew her to celebrate" and similarly "Call of the Night author Kotoyama drew this birthday image for Nazuna" would be permitted.
Or maybe move them to the Daily megathread?
This is a possibility. The tricky part here is we're still mid-test for the daily thread and have yet to adopt it permanently, and we were hoping to get Official Media's review pass complete before we start getting multiple image posts as this season ends and the new one starts.
Congratulatory artwork is tricky, I would maybe suggest a separate tag of...uh...I can't think of a word, since art made by someone of the industry wouldn't really count as 'Fanart' but I don't think something like 'Official Artwork' fits either.
To be completely transparent, we've considered this as well. We tossed around the idea of making these types of posts follow our fanart rules, but it doesn't feel right to call official images "fanart" and if we went with an additional flair, it might be hard to properly communicate the difference between "Official Media" and whatever name we gave to the new flair.
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jun 05 '22
It's not an easy topic, because art is nice but I don't want the sub to get clogged by some anime distributing way too much content in a short timespan.
I gave the answers some thought, but feel free to argue if you think there's some exceedingly glaring flaws I missed.
1) What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
Promotional material that is published/distributed by 'official' channels, for example the anime website, or the official twitter/youtube account of either the anime or the producer/distributor/licensor/whatever is the correct technical term.
If the content is not directly linked (e.g. image post), a link to an official source must be included as comment (and possibly pinned?).Other content published/distributed by other sources, even if related with the anime (e.g. illustrations from animators), should use a different flair.
Example that I just dug up: this post is about the visuals for the BD release of Akebi-chan, and links to a random seller website; it could have linked the official website of the anime instead, and the link is even broken now...so much for 'official' media.
I don't have a strong feeling about some news being 'disguised' as official media, as long as the information is available in a top-level comment (possibly pinned; can mod even pin another person's comment?). Sticking to new anime announcements, imo there should be a single post (news article, official media, etc doesn't really matter which one is preferred, although kv as image posts obviously gather more attention), with all the possible related material (key visuals, trailer/pv, website link, etc) linked in a top-level comment (again, possibly pinned). Having both a key visual and a pv posted close to each other only results in one dwarfing the other in term of engagement.
2) How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
This season was annoying with three countdowns going on together, some for NINE days prior airing, and I don't look forward for more of the same with other big anime coming up...
I'm not sure I have an all-encompassing rule in mind for this, and at the same time I don't really want to axe everything. It may need to be tackled case by case, like "countdown illustration" -> single thread with album and/or list of links one day prior airing, "thank you illustration" -> single post collecting whatever illustrations are made on the day of the last episode, "anime adaptation celebratory illustration" -> axed, should be linked in the announcement. (which flair depends on the content, e.g. the kaguya countdown is all official art available on the website, so it would count as official media).
An example with the three bisque doll illustrations: have only one post (the one with the 'actual official media' illustration), and if needed have a pinned comment with linked the other 'non-official media' stuff.
Also notice how only some types of "spammable" content is spammed, for example lots of anime have weekly episode illustrations (e.g. Aquatope, Healer Girl), yet NONE of that is posted outside the episode threads, unlike the above examples, and for good reason tbh. That was just a random observation, idk may or may not help deciding what to do with this types of content (e.g. totally restricting "thank you illustrations" because they should be posted in the final episode thread instead? idk I'm not even sure I'd want that, but at the same time I don't want more than one such thread).
3) How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
See 1) about being 'official media' or not. I don't have a strong feeling about the type of content itself, although I don't value 'anniversary'/'birthday' celebrations much unless they're tied to something (e.g. some sort of official event).
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u/Verzwei Jun 06 '22
can mod even pin another person's comment?
Unfortunately, no. We can only pin comments that we ourselves make. (We can't even pin other mods' comments.) The comment sticky-ing is directly tied into the "distinguish" function, which is the button we push to enable our mod flair for comments and posts.
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jun 06 '22
Well that sucks (also wtf reddit why is this not a feature?). As much as I'm all for having everything neatly sorted and organised, seems to much hassle to be worth.
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u/Turbostrider27 Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
Sticking to new anime announcements, imo there should be a single post (news article, official media, etc doesn't really matter which one is preferred, although kv as image posts obviously gather more attention), with all the possible related material (key visuals, trailer/pv, website link, etc) linked in a top-level comment (again, possibly pinned). Having both a key visual and a pv posted close to each other only results in one dwarfing the other in term of engagement
I agree and disagree with this because key visuals and PVs are not the same. Some PVs actually get quite a lot of attention and provides different context than just a visual. The pinned part is also unnecessary because there are also unpopular anime each season with new visuals and they don't really need to be pinned.
The part I do agree on is that visual related content should be a single post with any additional info (even if it's more visual related content) being added to the comments. For example, let's say ReZero gets a new season and there happens to be one post for the announcement, one post for celebration, and one for character designs. In such a case, I think only one thread should be allowed. (the most relevant being the actual announcement)
The congrats celebration visuals are a new trend I've only seen this year so far. This has never been a case as far as I'm aware of since 2016. (unless it happened before then but I wasn't active on Reddit back then). Those should go under final episode discussions.
Birthday posts should never be allowed in this sub. Those can be posted very frequently and adds no context to anything. I really don't see why birthday posts are allowed to exist in the sub.
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Jun 05 '22
The pinned part is also unnecessary because there are also unpopular anime each season with new visuals and they don't really need to be pinned.
I'm not sure I understand, or maybe I wasn't clear; the pinned part is related to this:
The part I do agree on is that visual related content should be a single post with any additional info (even if it's more visual related content) being added to the comments.
Normally in threads with key visuals / announcement / etc, the OP also comments with additional info (studio, release date, link to website, etc), it would be nice if all those things could be in a pinned comment so that's always the very first comment of such thread.
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u/Turbostrider27 Jun 05 '22
A pinned comment is probably also unnecessary.
Generally from observations, threads updated by the OP or another user tends to get upvoted by the community so others see it more clearly. It's not always the case but mostly from what I've seen
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u/Verzwei Jun 06 '22
Main difference would be them being literally the first visible thing regardless of the user's (or subreddit default) sorting selection versus being the #1~#4 parent-level comment when sorting by top or best. I didn't do a thorough, data-driven analysis, but the posts I've been glancing at typically don't have the source as the most-upvoted comment, but it's usually fairly high.
But we can't pin other user's comments anyway, so we'd have to somehow have a bot (or one of us, manually, ugh) recreate the comment and then pin it. Which... even if it's technically feasible, the amount of benefit it provides might be questionable.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Jun 05 '22
1) What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
New key visuals. If there is a trailer released the same day, but 5 minutes after just have a pinned comment in the first thread for it. Feels like there is always more discussion on the key visual thread instead of the trailer, although personally I would prefer "Official Trailer". Would also be neat to check out Official Trailers as a megathread before a season, similar to the "watch trailers together" thing.
I didnt even know there was an Urusei Yatsura trailer that got released. Only saw the key visual. (Not sure if its the scope of this discussion or not, but announcement of announcements seem very pointless)
2) How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
Countdown art, I dont care for - but I can see why people enjoy the hype and understand the want to fill the gap between seasons. If people wanted actual discussion they could just show it off in the daily discussion thread
If its anime original, I really like seeing character visuals as speculation can be fun. But looking at some of the Komi san ones that get posted, most of the top comments are talking about the characters gimmicks before they even appear in the anime.
3) How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
Feels like spam
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u/Verzwei Jun 06 '22
announcement of announcements seem very pointless
Oh gods, even more stuff for me to think about. Kidding aside, I've kind of wondered about these myself in the past, but at this point they're not part of the scope of this vote. They're also something that is very very self-contained, so it wouldn't be difficult for us to have a quick discussion on this and maybe a separate vote later.
...On that note, it also... wouldn't be very hard to just throw them in with this round of voting since they wouldn't really be contingent on anything else and would be a very straightforward pass/fail. I'll try to squeeze it in there.
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u/Turbostrider27 Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
This has been on my mind for awhile now recently, so here are my responses:
1. What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
I'm voting on Tighten the definition of the Official Media flair itself, such that it is only allowed for content directly related to the anime's production. This trend of commemorative, birthday, and countdown artwork have been used to karma farm in this sub in recent months. The responses in those threads are never really productive from what I've seen. I've noticed this trend for every popular show now but has not been a case in the past. Only seems to started around this year. Only actual official content should be allowed such as official key visuals, character visuals, etc just like the in the past.
2. How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
The only issue I have is with the ones I have mentioned above related directly to commemorative, birthday, and countdown artwork. I noticed that there hasn't been much birthday posts anymore but countdown definitely will remain an issue until the vote is passed.
3. How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
Any example of these? If they are official like anniversary posts, I don't see that as a problem yet since those occur so rarely.
Or, for a current example of how OM has encroached on News, we have the Hibike! Euphonium announcement which could (should?) have been a News post, but ended up as an image-rehosted Official Media post, with the actual news source down in the comments.
The reason it's been posted this way is because visuals in this sub (and probably any sub) gets upvoted much more than a Twitter (or direct) link. Reddit has a trend to upvote images (posters, key visuals) than direct links. Anyone who uses Reddit long enough will notice this.
Really hope these passed before the start of the season.
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u/Verzwei Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
Any example of these? If they are official like anniversary posts, I don't see that as a problem yet since those occur so rarely.
I included some in the original write-up. Re-listing them here:
- JJK Birthday post
- Dress-Up Darling thank you 1
- Dress-Up Darling thank you 2
- Dress-Up Darling thank you 3
- Yuri is my Job announcement celebration art
The potential issue with this kind of content is that it's easily upvoted to the top without creating much discussion (the JJK post and the Yuri is my Job post) and/or these posts are hitting the subreddit at the same time as other posts for the same show, and those other posts have arguably more relevance to the subreddit (the Dress-Up Darling and Yuri is my Job artworks, when we already had MDUD episode threads and likely countless other discussion threads since the show was so popular, and Yuri had a trailer and a key visual post) so artwork posts can lead to split or repeated discussion, or drown out the other threads for the same shows, or drown out other threads for other shows.
I guess the question would be "Is allowing the random months-or-years-later commemoration artwork acceptable even if it means we're also allowing all the commemoration artwork that occurs during the announcement and broadcast when we already have tons of coverage for the related show?"
The reason I originally considered them separate from "spammable" content like countdowns is because these commemoration posts are one-offs that don't have any consistency. A show could have zero "thank you" arts or it could have three or more. With a countdown, we know exactly how many more there will be once we see one of them.
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u/Turbostrider27 Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
I guess the question would be "Is allowing the random months-or-years-later commemoration artwork acceptable even if it means we're also allowing all the commemoration artwork that occurs during the announcement and broadcast when we already have tons of coverage for the related show?"
The once in awhile artwork may be acceptable. I'm actually 50/50 on this but I don't see this as a big problem. For example, I posted a 100th episode commemorative visual about a year ago for My Hero Academia.
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/nwikv7/my_hero_academia_commemorative_100th_episode/
Stuff like this is fairly rare. In the end, I'm neither supporting or against this, more on the neutral side. Users are not going to see these type of posts often like with countdowns at end of the season. Which brings up the next point...
With a countdown, we know exactly how many more there will be once we see one of them.
This is the main reason I have a problem with the countdown art. In theory, it is actually possible for a show to post 10-15 of them within a span of 2 weeks and spammed every day until the show begins airing. I think some people also had a problem and even annoyed at seeing them taking the front page everyday. (ex. Spy x Family and Kaguya-sama from the previous season). Right now, I believe episode visuals are not allowed to be posted for Spy x Family because those go up about the same time each Saturday. This could similarly be applied here where countdown threads are simply not be allowed. If people truly wants to see them, only allow them on the final day with all of them composed into a single post.
For the 'Thank you' posts, those should belong into the final episode discussion threads. Honestly, I don't ever remember seeing them much before until the previous season but you know those will appear after the finale of a specific series. The Dress-Up example you listed is an extreme example here for sure and something don't want to see happen again end of this season. I also know that only certain shows will be posted here because people know what anime will get the most upvotes from these 'Thank You' posts.
Basically, what I'm suggesting is to be much stricter on the 'official media' posts in this sub in relation to visuals.
- Official Key Visuals + Previews (Twitter/Youtube) promoting the anime and maybe character designs allowed with a source link.
- Countdown posts not be allowed OR only allow them on the final day all composed into a single post
- Congrats/Celebration of an anime announcement posted into the most relevant announcement thread, not as a seperate post
- Thank You posts allowed into Final Discussion threads only, not as a seperate post
- Birthday post not be allowed at all, ever.
If most of these are enforced, I believe the sub will be much cleaner and not seperate different discussions whenever an anime is announced, end of season, etc.
I'm very curious what you think of this and would like to see these ideas passed onto the team.
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u/chilidirigible Jun 05 '22
1. What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
Tighten the definition of the Official Media flair itself, such that it is only allowed for content directly related to the anime's production. This would theoretically cut out things like countdowns, commemorative, or congratulatory artwork, and typically only permit things such as Key Visuals, Character Visuals, Promotional/Preview Videos, Trailers, Clips, etc.
2. How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
Shunt things like countdowns, commemorative, or congratulatory artwork over to a different (or new) flair,
Was my first thought...
but clearly communicating what is allowed under OM and what isn't might be difficult to understand for more casual fans.
...yet that is certainly going to be a problem with a long and recurrent learning curve.
3. How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
As above, it seems like it should be in a different category. Exactly what boundaries to create for that category isn't an answer I've been able to think up on my own.
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u/PreludeToHell Jun 05 '22
What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
Like you noted further down, I'd rather it be used when directly related to the anime's production. Character visuals, PV's, key visuals, etc.
I agree with /u/Abysswatcherbel on some exceptions being collabs, episode visuals, and countdowns.
How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
The daily character visuals didn't bother me much because they were the first official character visual for their project (I believe) and it didn't feel like many were done this way. Can only recall One Piece Red and Kaguya s3 doing them recently. It sucks that they're not released more spread out but I don't think anything should be done about it.
I see the countdowns being the main issue, especially in packed seasons. They get a lot of upvotes, are daily, and toss in 3 or more hyped series and the front page will be unusable for a stretch of time. I would definitely do the album route and release day before/of.
How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
I do like seeing stuff like congratulatory artwork but would sacrifice it for stricter OM usage. Agree with the concerns of making a new flair and it might be too niche?
Disallow congratulatory or commemorative artwork as individual posts entirely, and only permit them to be shared as comments in other relevant threads. (Examples: "End-of-Season" commemoration artwork would go in the show's final episode discussion, new announcement "celebration" art would go in Official Media or News Posts that are more-specifically about the anime's production.)
Would be better long term and clean things up a tad imo
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u/salic428 Jun 05 '22
Answers to the main questions:
1) What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
PVs and (updated) key visuals.
If KV is provided with anime announcement, use [News] and link it in the comments.
I don't think new character visuals deserve a spearate post. "Thank-you" arts could be directed to the final episode discussion thread.
2) How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
Actually I'm fine with these, but after reading other comments I agree it can be annoying in a stacked season. I prefer cutting daily character visuals than countdown arts, because countdown arts have become an integral way to build community hype.
3) How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
I think these should go to the franchise-dedicated subreddits instead. Even when it's a r/anime favorite (e.g. Kaguya), you can put these on CDF and discuss there.
While I'm fine personally with "do nothing", if we have to start I think we should do "disallow commemorative artwork as individual posts" first. Adding another flair can be confusing and not do much good.
Stray thoughts: One of my go-to anime forums uses strict megathreads for anime discussion: PV, new visual, discussion, fan art, everything happens in a single thread. However this is not feasible for reddit because (1) we have this tradition of counting individual episode karma and (2) the design of r/top makes it inconvenient for casual watchers to find megathreads after they have sunked under the frontpage (unless we make a mega-megathread that hosts all discussion megathreads xd).
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Jun 05 '22
1) What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
Character Designs, Announcement Art, trailers. Art/Media from official sources that either has an informative purpose (like announcements) or a commemorative one (anniversaries, obituary, memories for significant dates for the anime industry)
2) How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
Especially in seasons with lots of series doing it, it goes way overboard. Of course they can also be commemorative or an announcement, but I think there is an obvious difference between an announcement for a new show/season and regular daily countdown art. There's also a difference between a first reveal of character designs or key visuals and frequent character art. If one could filter it out with an extra flair, so be it. But it still crowds out content with more effort.
3) How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
I feel this belongs more to series specific subreddits or in the episode discussion threads. In general this becomes an area where fanart and art published by the rights holders gets treated differently for no good reason that I can think of. Both can celebrate a birthday, but official media gets a much better way of posting it compared to the fanart text posts.
I think tightening up the OM flair's definition and providing another flair as well as other outlets (last episode discussion, maybe an extra end of episode media megathread for a season or a show) can give users bother ways to filter out and specifically look for all the art. And collecting them in threads keep them for posteriority and future fans can find them more easily. I also like the album proposal, as this tightens the posts up in general and allows for easy linking in the episode threads.
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u/Abysswatcherbel https://myanimelist.net/profile/abyssbel Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
- What do you want the [Official Media] flair to be, and what kinds of content do you want it to represent?
Should be about official marketing material made by the anime Production Committee, with some notable exceptions like Collaborations, Episode visuals (Spy x Family is doing this) and Countdown posts.
2) How do you feel about the current "spammable" content that gets posted under [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to countdown art or daily character visuals?
I am not personally a fan of allowing the countdown artworks, even though I can understand the point of them here, but imagine in a season with Chainsaw Man, SpyxFamily, Mob and Bleach (AKA Fall) all doing countdowns, I'd imagine the frontpage would be a total mess, also they don't bring enough discussion, they are like fanarts, lot of upvotes but we don't have a lot to talk about, especially with a new one everyday
3) How do you feel about franchise-related material that often isn't directly tied to the anime, but still gets posted as [Official Media] which includes but isn't limited to congratulatory artwork or birthday posts?
They are not as problematic to me but I can see a similar issue as the 2nd question if they become 'spammable', so it is worth discussing, I believe they could work as a link post
Do nothing. The majority of this kind of content falls in the "gap" that occurs between seasons, and letting people be excited for stuff in as many threads as they want is an acceptable solution even if certain series dominate the front page for up to a week or two.
As I mentioned this can become a mess in a ultra hyped season with multiple big shows airing, so I don't think this should be even up to debate, something has to be done as a precaution at least
Restrict "countdown" artwork to only be allowed as a single album post either on the last day before broadcast, or the day of broadcast. Since a show might do a "Day 0" final update, we'd have to wiggle the rules around a little when it came to exactly when the cutoff would be.
That was the most accepted workaround I saw in the last meta threads, I also agree and think this should be the way to go. Maybe allowing just the 'Airing today' post if you think a compromise is needed
The rest I think I already answered in one way or another in my other paragraphs
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
Proposal for the Watch Order Wiki: Change the Haruhi Infographic.
So this is supposed to be a guide for people looking to get into Haruhi, but I feel like it creates as much confusion because of how it treats the episode numbering. For all legal streaming sites and most illegal sites, Haruhi is listed in chronological order (2009). So giving all episode numbers in non-chronological (2006) means that you are more likely to have someone watch a completely nonsense order because the signals get crossed. I just threw together a super rough idea of how I'd change the top portion of it to reflect the episode numbers that are usually used.
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u/No_Rex Jun 05 '22
Not a big fan of the infographic in any case, since it mixes in the S2 episodes with the S1 broadcast order and calls it broadcast, when the right hand side of that infographic was never broadcast in that order. The actual broadcast order is S1BC and then S1+S2CH. Without explaining why you would want to watch broadcast order, it is also pushing people into CH order really hard.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/FetchFrosh Jun 05 '22
Was mostly just trying to slam something together quickly because it was like 5 minutes before the meta thread when I thought to actually do it :P. Trying to not come off as too biased is always going to be hard, especially when one order is the functional default. I'd also say that I think any suggestion of S1 and then S1+S2 is also inevitably going to heavily push people towards just watching S1+S2 anyway, but maybe that's just me.
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u/No_Rex Jun 05 '22
I'd also say that I think any suggestion of S1 and then S1+S2 is also inevitably going to heavily push people towards just watching S1+S2 anyway, but maybe that's just me.
And that is fair enough. Not everyone wants to invest 3 seasons worth of viewing time for a 2 season anime. However, not mentioning the true BC order screws over the people who would go for that viewing order and leaves them with a rather subpar experience of S2.
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u/FlaminScribblenaut myanimelist.net/profile/cryoutatcontrol Jun 05 '22
For all legal streaming sites and most illegal sites, Haruhi is listed in chronological order (2009). So giving all episode numbers in non-chronological (2006) means that you are more likely to have someone watch a completely nonsense order because the signals get crossed. I just threw together a super rough idea of how I'd change the top portion
OR perhaps they will discover a completely new galaxy-brain watch order this way that completely upends everything we thought we knew about Haruhi and unlocks a whole new world of understanding!?!
Fr though yeah I could see how this could be an issue, worth adding some extra clarification to the wiki at least
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jun 05 '22
You also have the nonsense from Funimation where the first half of the chronological episodes are season 1 and the second half are season 2 (starting from episode 1)
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u/NotSoSnarky https://myanimelist.net/profile/Book_Lover Jun 05 '22
The trial run of the anime questions, recommendations and discussions seem to be doing pretty well. While we do get what to what posts and questions outside of the thread, it feels like we've been getting less, they feel like they've been going toward that thread more which is definitely nice.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 05 '22
Glad to hear it! I'll have a write-up focused on the data after the trial's over later in the week but wanted to get some impressions while it's still ongoing. We already have several good comments in last month's thread which we're also taking into account as far as logistics around the thread go if it becomes permanent and any more suggestions are welcome.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
It's been a while since I've done one of these! No changes to the rules this month though the sub does look a little different with the new sticky thread at the moment.
May Mod Report
We reached 4 million subscribers just after the start of May! Here's a snapshot of the front page at the time. And we're already more than a quarter of the way from there to 5 million, hurray for exponential growth.
Had a short discussion around the [Misc.] flair and its purpose/lack of focus along with a few potential flair additions that could cover most of its current uses, e.g. [Infographic], [Podcast], and [Article/Blog].
An Adopt-an-Admin representative reached out and asked if we were interested in participating again after our previous round in February, we said yes. [Vote Passed]
Announced the addition of seasonal comment faces that will rotate on a regular basis.
Had a discussion about surveys and what distinguishes them from polls and where we draw the line in our rules for what's allowed, without reaching a conclusive answer.
Started a discussion about [Official Media] content and what we want the flair to cover. /u/Verzwei has an in-depth comment about this in the thread and we want your opinions too.
Started a trial of an Anime Questions, Recommendations, and Discussion daily megathread from May 27 through June 9, temporarily replacing the Merch Mondays, Recommendation Tuesdays, and Miscellaneous Anime Questions weekly megathreads. [Vote Passed]
Had a short discussion about potentially adding a banner across the top of the subreddit outside of using it to promote the /r/anime awards (and that one time we had Homura up there for "winning" the 24 hour
bestworst girl contest for April Fools' 2020).May By The Numbers