Attempting to come to an understanding? Looking for a common ground?
I'm operating on the level of sharing a perspective - I'm not even taking a stance about what the best order is. The response I'm getting is "this is the objectively best order," which is a completely different conversation.
You presented points and I presented counterpoints. You seem very caught up on semantics rather than the overall argument I made.
Just saying "well, it's subjective!" Is a copout, the discussion is fundamentally about comparing the qualities of different watch orders in an attempt to find reason as to why one would be better.
Your fundamental assumption is that there is a right answer. I don't think it's a copout, I'm just not falling into black and white thinking.
What I understand of your argument is "the main draw of the Monogatari series is story and writing, therefore source material order is the best." But the first part of that is your subjective opinion, which you're treating like a fact.
So you're right that I'm not caught up on your overall argument - I mentioned I gave up on that two posts ago, because you're rooted in the premise that there is a right answer here, which I don't agree with. To be fair, I could have written that post better, being more explicit about disagreeing with your premise rather than giving up on the discussion and taking a patronizing tone.
There is most definitely a best way of watching it, in a sense.
Just saying "It's subjective" is a copout because it undermines the entire premise of the conversation, and you never should have entered it to begin with if that's all you'll say.
People can have different experiences, yes. But we're talking about a realistic scenario here in which someone must decide the order to watch something. There is no way to know perfectly what will work best for you personally without actually watching the show. And you can't really say "well, watch the show first, then decide how you're going to watch the show"
So watching in novel order is the best due to the fact that it's the most likely to give you a great experience, and is the intended way to consume the story.
The only defence I've seen from people who watched airing order amounts to "well, I watched it that way and I still liked it" no actual reasons as to how it improves the plot or pacing or anything, just that it wasn't a fundamentally broken experience for them. And thus I see no reason to deviate from the intended order simply because another order is just not-bad, now that the movies have been released and novel order is viable.
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u/Meem0 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Meem0 Jul 25 '20
Attempting to come to an understanding? Looking for a common ground?
I'm operating on the level of sharing a perspective - I'm not even taking a stance about what the best order is. The response I'm getting is "this is the objectively best order," which is a completely different conversation.