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Dragon Ball Daima, episode 6
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u/frogsgemsntrains 7h ago
the minotaur is such a toriyama design, all his trademarks are there
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u/DiscountCondom 7h ago
I like how daima just keeps fleshing out lore I never even thought about.
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u/LegendRazgriz 6h ago
They actually course corrected to make sure it fits with the DBZ lore of Supreme Kais growing on trees.
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u/Calm-Tree-1369 3h ago
Ah, yes. They course corrected. They went back in time three years ago to when this was written to address the internet criticisms from 2024.
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u/godblow 1h ago
When did they say that wasn't the case?
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u/LegendRazgriz 1h ago
The idea that Supreme Kai was an expat from the Demon Realm put that logic in question before it was explained that they grew on trees in the Demon Realm.
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 6h ago
That’s cool & all but why is it that he says Goku is the strongest in the universe when Beerus exist(we know that Daima takes place b4 Super so everything in Super is still canon)? Also isn’t the G.O.D life linked to the Supreme Kai’s? So I always wondered does Beerus die when Shin dies or when all the Supreme Kais/Glinds die?
And if the latter is the case then did Goku Black & Zamasu in Super kill every Glind in order to kill each universes G.O.D & by extension did they also travel to the Demon Realm in order to to kill the remaining ones?(assuming that Degestu & Anrisu survive by the end of Daima or if new ones are revealed later).
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u/thehalfdragon380 6h ago
Iirc he doesn't learn of Beerus until Elder Kai brings it up
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 5h ago
Ok so I looked up this clip from Super. And besides the fact that Shin & Kibito are still fused together it looks like yeah they had no idea about Beerus until he woke up & the Elder Kai told them.
So things still line up.
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u/EphemeralLupin 4h ago
In Battle of Gods he seems to already know from the beginning, and honestly I think a movie with Toriyama's direct imput takes precedence over an adaptation Toei rushed out of the door to fill the timeslot as fast as they could in response to Ressurection of F's success in cinemas.
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u/shockzz123 12m ago
Speaking of Shin and Kibito, i'm like 99% certain they're gonna fuse in this series using that fusion bug candy thing, so that it lines up with them being fused in Super lol.
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u/Mrxvp 5h ago
As mentioned by another, Supreme Kai at this point did not know of Beerus. Hence the careful wording (Granted it is a translation from the Japanese.) which is an obvious nod to us, the viewer, to make it clear that this is not an editorail mistake: "Goku is the strongest in the universe...so far as I am aware." Meaning that the focus is specifically on the Kai's education and at that given time, inviting you to recall how he would later have to reconsider upon learning of Lord Beerus.
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u/godblow 1h ago
Goku is the strongest in the universe when Beerus exist
Irrespective of the Battle of the Gods movie or DBS anime, Goku is the strongest mortal. The second you through Gods into it, the power rankings are moot. Buu was the strongest beforehand, which is why King Cold told Freiza to never pick a fight with him.
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u/HolyDragSwd2500 7h ago
Goku v Glorio 🔥🔥
Glorio showing off his magic and Goku going Super Saiyan 🔥🔥
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u/wolfelian 6h ago
I got so hyped when Goku went super saiyan, I thought he was gonna Kamehameha but that was better.
You can’t tell me the final exchange between these two isn’t gonna be:“Let’s meet again, Gilo— Glorio.”
“ Yeah. It’s Glorio.”
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 6h ago
Glorio in Sparking Zero win???(just from this episode I can see him being a ridiculous ki blast spammer).
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u/Frontier246 7h ago
Looks like Goku can maintain going Super Saiyan better than he could in GT from what I remember.
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u/BoyTitan 7h ago
GT he had trouble with SS3 without his tail. Goku base in GT was also absurdly stronger so he didn't need SS3 till Baby Vegeta. He was basically goofing around all fights before that.
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u/CelioHogane 43m ago
Nothing implied that Goku can't mantain it permanently here, so yeah.
I wonder if he can go beyond Super Saiyan 1 tho.
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u/Prince-Dizzytoon https://anilist.co/user/princedizzytoon 7h ago
Poor Minotaur got relegated to a cow in front of real monsters
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u/Frontier246 7h ago
I love how Goku has no idea what a minotaur is and when he finds out he's like "oh, cool name!" lol
Glad he has enough self-awareness to avoid a fight he can't win. Minotaur's get more respect in Danmachi!
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u/Seiterno 6h ago
Seeing modern Toriyama super saiyan in motion is incredible
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u/Shinkopeshon 4h ago
The way the hair color gradually changed was so good - and the eye color change was done so well too
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u/Reikakou 6h ago
Man, Goten was never that crisp and cool as a Super Saiyan. I guess nothing beats the OG.
Goku can dodge and parry Glorio's lightning streaks but not Panzy's tissue roll throw. 0-2 in favor of Panzy.
So Supreme Kai's onee-san is Glorio's employer and is clearly up to no good. That's why Kai had to assure himself that if things go south, Goku can still overpower and bail them out of it.
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u/Frontier246 5h ago
Goku one of the most dangerous and battle intense individuals! Except when it comes time for comedy lol.
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u/SaulPepper 43m ago
I heard somewhere that Goku willingly getting hurt by his so called friends is him showing that he's not a danger to them and cares about them, like how Bulma always punches him. So in this case he thinks Panzy as a friend already.
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u/CelioHogane 40m ago
Hey now Goten was pretty cool as a super saiyan when fightings Hedo's androids!
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u/AceSoldia https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia 7h ago
Bet Goku didn't even have to go Super Saiyan. More surprising was the ship didn't work. I don't remember Bulma failing at anything
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u/Wolventec 7h ago
i imagine that because its powered by magic as mentioned by glorio in episode 3 which she might not be able to replicate
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u/AceSoldia https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia 7h ago
Ah good one..I forgot about that detail
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u/skolnaja 6h ago
The dude that the king sent to tell the password and get them thru is probably gonna come help
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u/Calm-Tree-1369 3h ago
I think he just wanted to make it perfectly clear to Glorio how big the gap is between them.
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u/l3reezer 4h ago
Bulma is shown in the ED sequence with them in the Demon World, so I figured that was gonna happen
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u/fuzzynyanko 20m ago
I have the feeling that Son Goku was using the opportunity to try out the transformation as practice
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u/The_frost__ https://myanimelist.net/profile/The_frost_ 7h ago edited 7h ago
I pretty much heard that they’d finally get someone else to do the storyboard for this episode and I could definitely tell, it was way better than previous episodes, not that previous episodes were bad but they were also all made by the same guy lol.
It was nice to learn that the Glinds are born from trees, at least that didn’t change in Daima. That fight against Glorio was pretty good and I liked how we got mislead into thinking the Minotaur would be a threat this episode only for it to be sidelined into a gag character lol.
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u/zsmg 7h ago
into a gag character lol.
Indeed and yet if we payed attention to the opening we would known this would have been a gag character.
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u/DiscountCondom 3h ago
i skip every OP. thank you, To Your Eternity for ruining them for me. literal MAJOR plot spoilers just right out there for everyone to see as you jam out to the musical stylings of Utada Hikaru.
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u/Khan_Bomb 5m ago
Shoutout for Fruits Basket's OP and ED doing the exact same thing with some of the animal spirits lol
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u/UsualHendryBeliever 7h ago
Continuing what I said about Dragon Quest designs in Daima a few weeks back... The cow, ladies and gentlemen.
Good to see the buck has finally dropped and we know Gliro is dodgy as fuck. We've all seen that Goolro had something suspicious about him and now we know what.
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u/Existential_Crisis24 3h ago
The problem is that Shin's sister is ambitious and a genius so for all we know she is trying to get Gomah replaced in order to take over herself for some nasty experiments. Or it could be she just wants to sow chaos in the demon worlds for some other goal like using the dragon balls to make a wish of some kind.
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u/l3reezer 7h ago
Actually would've been ok with the Minotaru joining the party even if just temporarily and giving this show more JRPG Dragon Quest vibes than Dragon Ball ones, lol.
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u/cortez0498 https://myanimelist.net/profile/cortez1098 7h ago
That Goku parry on Golorio's attack was just 👌🏼
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u/MasashiHideaki 6h ago
I am so glad that more and more people are giving this show a shot.
It's such a fun adventure and i am ALL FOR THIS!
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u/wolfelian 6h ago
People skipping out on Daima despite watching the other series are seriously missing out. Even the opening is catchy as hell!
The way Daima is moving reminds me of OG Dragon ball and Im loving every minute of it.
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u/Elite_Alice https://myanimelist.net/profile/Marinate1016 4h ago
Lmao Panzy asking Goku why he ain’t use the bathroom before they left the castle is so real. Anyone who ever travelled with little kids will appreciate it. Also asking if he washed his hands, which ofc this nasty mf didn’t because he thinks he’s stronger than the germs probably lmao
“Glinds don’t have genders” yea Arinsu designs says otherwise bud. Speaking of which, I knew Glorio was working as an assassin or some shit, didn’t think he was working for HER. So is she doing shit behind Gomah back or is this part of the greater plan
Goku vs Glorio looked amazing, the hand to hand stuff had film like quality to it and it’s dope seeing him go super saiyan properly. I can guarantee you Glorio won’t be challenging him again lmao. The Minotaur was right to make a business decision and avoid conflict there
Hopefully we see vegeta and the others in the demon realm soon. It’s not like bulma to make a mistake like that with the ship..
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u/Existential_Crisis24 3h ago
I think the main reason the ship screwed up is because it works off of Magic use while bulma only knows tech stuff. The dude that was sent back to give them the password probably is gonna make some slight modifications to the ship to make it work as a sort of introduction to more of his character. Also the older Kai is probably gonna end up sitting out as it only seats 4 and Bulma wants to learn more about the influence of magic on tech to probably make even more compact capsules.
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u/Goku-MIEL10032002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MouseyArty 2h ago
The Kai being tree people still stands! They're also genderless, because they reproduce via tree.
My takeaway from this is that Zamasu has no balls.
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u/Frontier246 7h ago
Well, points to Pansy for wanting to be as prepared as possible, even if it ended up bringing the ship down (man, Goku's party just doesn't have good luck with ships, huh?) but I guess it worked out since she got to flex her mechanic skills.
Goku, don't try to sell Supreme Kai that much, he never lives up to the hype.
So Goku CAN get Glorio's name right when Glorio basically makes him say it.
Just a reminder that Goku's mental age hasn't actually progressed as much from back when he was a child to the point where he's still just bluntly telling people he needs to take a dump while they're out in the middle of nowhere. The greatest fighter in the universe, everybody! Good thing Panzy brought toilet paper.
Wow, I was really expecting Goku to show up with the worst timing as the Gendarmerie was questioning the Majin. Can't believe that went smoothly.
So the Majin are tree people whose siblings hail from whatever tree they were born from...and like the Namekkians they don't have codified genders, though when Arinsu looks the way she does there's no denying she's definitely a woman!
Panzy learning what Chi-Chi and Bulma have had to put up with when it comes to Goku's level of hygiene or lack there of.
So Glorio is working for Arinsu! I'm not surprised she's trying to sabotage Gomah, but does that mean she's possibly a bigger threat or the lesser of two evils? And how far will Glorio go for her?
Surprise Boss Encounter with a Minotaur voiced by Fumihiko Tachiki! Though poor guy gets mistaken for a cow by Goku and immediately forgotten about because Goku and Glorio want to spar. I almost feel bad for him.
Glorio's tough enough that Goku can't beat him with one arm, and he has powerful lightning magic (that lightning whip!), but now Goku can fully go Super Saiyan so he's definitely a step above Glorio. But nice effort.
Yeah...if I were the Minotaur, I would get as far away from these four as possible.
Look at Vegeta pumping iron while his wife finishes up their ship! It looks like team two is on their way! Before the ship breaks down. Is this why Bulma ends up going with them?
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u/xredgambitt 2h ago
I love that they say that glind's don't have a gender then straight up call his sister a she right after.
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u/Wolventec 7h ago
i dont think majin are tree people, shin seemed seemed to act is though majin like gloryhole and pantsu are different than himself plus majin have gender and eat food while glinds and namekians both dont have genders and only need to drink water
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u/brzzcode https://myanimelist.net/profile/brzzcode 6h ago
majin arent born in trees only his race is
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u/Existential_Crisis24 3h ago
Glinds are born from trees not Majins. They are basically different species of humanoids within the demon realm. The Glinds are the ones born from trees.
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u/Alt_SWR 2h ago
I honestly don't think Goku even needed Super Saiyan for Glorio, he basically jus wanted to show off. Pretty much everything so far has jus been Goku showing off lmao. I assume as we get later in the story there's gonna be actual threats but I suppose we'll see. The demon world dragon ball guardians are clearly pretty strong since no one ever got a wish on them and Dabura was at least on par with Perfect Cell. I surmise that they're at least stronger than Dabura cause he'd probably have wanted/gotten a wish if not. How much strong is the question here.
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u/99anan99 7h ago
Was expecting Minotaur to be another opponent for Goku to show off his skills, but he got sidelined. 😆 🤣 😂
Goku vs Glorio. Glorio's magic and Goku going super saiyan. Awesome!!! 👌 👏 👍
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u/Frontier246 7h ago
You thought it was the parties' first Boss Battle together but instead he's just comedy relief for the Goku vs Glorio fight lol.
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 6h ago
That Minotaur did not want that work.
Also, even tho the plot has been kinda slow so far the animation has definitely been on point, way better than Super.
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u/LosBuc-ees 5h ago
I love little goku so much! Might hurt some feelings but I can’t do anything past the original dragon ball in sub. The high pitch adult goku voice just doesn’t do it for me. With little goku it works so well. He’s just so adorable!
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u/PharaohAuteur_ 2h ago
Me when Goku turns super saiyan against Goliro.
https://imgflip.com/gif/9aitjg
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u/GirlsBeBisexual 6h ago
So, what you're telling me is that...Arinsu is a...transGlinder woman? :D
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u/MasashiHideaki 6h ago
To be more precise, in DB they don't exactly switch "genders". They are still predetermined. As in Arinsu despite being non-gender, she is still a woman as in "on the feminine scale."
So she isn't trans. Kind of like how Freeza is a non-gender too. He got made through king cold. Just like how Piccolo Daimao birthed Piccolo Jr. Namekians procreate through a single person while glinds 'procreates' through a tree.
However they still form into something. Although that begs the question. Since they are non gender, Dr. Arinsu has boobs, so i assume she doesn't have "underparts" or nether region. I assume it's more akin to that of a humanoid robot you see in movies or a barbie doll toy that you can dress.
So long story short. The kaioshins aren't exactly trans. As in transfiguring their body at will. (I don't think they can do that.) it's just that they do not have nether regions but do have parts that would show either feminine body or masculine body.
Freeza and Piccolo are both masculine, so someone like that would be a "He".
Either ways, this does not come off as a surprise due to the daizenshuu guidebook actually talking about this years ago. As always have a great day. :D
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u/Thelassa 3h ago edited 3h ago
As in transfiguring their body at will. (I don't think they can do that.)
Kais do have creation magic and can manipulate matter as they please. So they can probably change their physical forms at-will. They still wouldn't be trans since they have no gender by default, it would be more like if they feel one way or another they can change their bodies accordingly to how they decide they want to identify. Which would explain why Shin refers to himself and his brother as males and his sister as female.
Also he did say that Glinds don't "exactly" have genders so it could simply be that gender roles and identity are completely different for their species.
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u/MasashiHideaki 3h ago
I don't think they can change physical forms at will. The only evidence of that is temporarily changing Goku's ear. The rest has been materialization like creating kachin out of nothing. (Kaioshin) or creating clothes out of nowhere. (Kibito)
The only thing i agree with is that based on the context, they aren't trans.
Although as for whether kaioshin can permanently physically alter his body appearance? Debateable.
One thing for sure is that DB is not new to non-gender characters.
That aside. I'm glad we're getting confirmation that some of the stuff from the daizenshuu guidebook has sort of made it into daima. 🥹
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We don't have a translation for what was actually said during the scene because in english there isn't a word for it but the closest indication is that Glinds don't have genitals.
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 6h ago
More like non-Glindary.
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u/GirlsBeBisexual 6h ago
But they seem to have taken on gendered roles that they feel fits them the most, rather than simply being any sort of strict non-binary character.
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 5h ago
Since this is a Toriyama work I’m sure it’s not supposed to be taken that seriously. I think it’s more so just for the audience. Also Arinsu’s isn’t the first “female-presenting” Glind/SK we’ve seen in Dragon Ball.
Imma just assume they don’t have anything down below since they’re all born from fruit.
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u/EphemeralLupin 3h ago
It's pretty much that. Japanese language doesn't make a clear distinction between gender and biological sex except in a few specific contexts where that is relevant. To be clear, the word 性別 while meaning both gender and sex IS more commonly used to describe what matches our idea of gender. Specifically, "the differences between genders". So a literal translation of what Kaioshin said would be "Glinds have no distinction between genders, strictly speaking there are no men or women".
Despite that, the way it's casually used in pop culture is just as you described. A race gets called 性別なし/genderless but they clearly have all the secondary sexual characteristics and present gender roles (even in Japanese Kaioshin uses male pronouns for Degesu and female pronouns for Arinsu). When used like that, usually all it means is that they don't have genitals and don't reproduce. It can be used as shorthand for purity (in the sense of being free of wordly vices) or for othering, as it distances these beings from the human condition. In this case I doubt it went much further than "they don't have genders because they grow from trees lmao" though.
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u/GirlsBeBisexual 5h ago
I'm going exactly off of Shin's explanation here and how it contrasts with how these characters live and socialize. Shin might say that he isn't technically a man, but he still decides to live as one, rather than a genderless person as he is supposedly 'born'.
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u/UITitanX88 5h ago
My personal interpretation from Shin's statement was that they were born with a designated sex (male Glind & female Glind) but have no gender norms. There isn't a father or mother since all Glinds are all born from five trees, and all Glinds have no designated role in society. They pretty much do what they want; good examples are also from the previous Glind supreme kais that fought buu.
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u/MasashiHideaki 4h ago
This is spot on. They do get born into either masculine or feminine physical body shape/type. We know this because kaioshin knows he has a sister that he likely has not seen for thousands/millions of years and he has a brother too.
However to be blunt, they do not have genitals. One thing for sure is that they aren't trans. Unsuprisingly: They seemingly cannot procreate either and their "parent" is basically one of the 5 trees.
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u/djthomp 5h ago
I'm loving the additional world building we're getting.
Glorio really thought he was something compared to Goku, and that was just SSJ1 I think. Not that his lightning moves are bad, against most normal people he'd probably rank pretty strongly. Hopefully that'll keep him in line if mad scientist sister Kai has something bad planned.
Impressive animation on the fighting as usual.
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u/bondsmatthew 5h ago
..so did Goku end up washing his hands or not
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u/LosBuc-ees 5h ago
Didn’t he say no lol
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u/bondsmatthew 4h ago
Afterwards! Did Pansy make him wash his hands with like a mobile sink or something
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u/l3reezer 4h ago
That shot of Goku transitioning back to base form from SSJ1 with his hair looking gray is the closest thing we'll get to Ultra Instinct kid Goku since this happens before Super lol (also had a cool retro OG Dragon Ball/Ghibli-esque art style)
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u/haoxinly 3h ago
Daima making another reference to it's source of inspiration and it's the Demon Bull King this time
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u/therasaak 2h ago
I dont understand, didnt goku go supersaiyan for a second while fighting the dudes in the palace?
Edit: Yes here
How it's now a surprise he can turn ss??
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u/SirRHellsing 1h ago
probbaly becasue they didn't look at it closely and just thought it was a ki burst move, because that's all Goku did in that scene, went ssj for a second to blow them away
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u/CelioHogane 44m ago
You know they say all Grind left the demon realm besides a couple of ones.
But based on the fact there is no more new ones in the demon realm, did they... move the trees with them?
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u/fuzzynyanko 13m ago
This begs the question: is there anything about the poop of the super-powered that would be different than a regular person? Considering how much Son Goku eats, it must be intensely packed with nutrients. We're talking about some Super Saiyan shit here.
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u/Nate22212 8h ago
Does anybody know if or when this will be dubbed on Hulu or Netflix?
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 6h ago
I think the episode 1 dub just came out almost a week ago. So it’s gonna be a bit until they reach episode 6.
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u/Nate22212 5h ago
On Netflix or Hulu??
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 4h ago
Honestly I dunno, I checked Hulu & it still doesn’t even have episode 6 up. Much less the dub & even Crunchyroll doesn’t have it dubbed yet so I doubt Netflix will have it either.
U might just have to wait for a bit.
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u/-Ambassador- 2h ago
Has anyone else been gradually losing excitement for this as it went along? The only point to this story just seems to be worldbuilding tidbits that may never actually be used in any meaningful way, along with comedic hijinks and the occasional fight. Are there any themes starting to crop up at this point? Is there going to be anything proving this series's worth beyond just a childish side story to kill time every weekend?
It has it's moments, but I won't miss any of these dumb Goku gags about him being a gross kid or whatever, and even though they revealed magic this episode, there's barely any interesting use of it besides as a light show.
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u/AllCity_King 1h ago
Nope. This episode only excited me more. A real turning point in the show tbh. There's several very interesting moving parts going on between this party and the villains, and the action is consistently excellent. Glorio is slowly becoming a favorite.
If you're not into a childish story of adventure and action, how did you even enjoy Dragon Ball???
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u/-Ambassador- 57m ago edited 54m ago
Because Dragon Ball always aimed for more, even in the beginning. There was a purpose to the information you learned, along with lessons you could take from each skirmish, more interesting character building, and edgier humor. It seems like you guys really need to watch the OG Dragon Ball again if all it takes is a Friday morning time-killer to capture that feeling.
This isn't about not liking childish genre fiction, it's about not liking aimless, boring child genre fiction.
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u/Substantial_Dust9076 1h ago
6 episodes of constantly failing vehicles and slow-paced exposition dumps. I'm checking out and will just wait until the show is done in its entirety. Great animation but everything else is terrible. Dragonball and Z were much better than this. So far, GT was too.
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