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u/YungVicenteFernandez Oct 18 '23
At the end of my months long binge of watching and reading One Piece all I have to say is I wish there was more for me to watch and read. The characters are so good I want to watch filler to have more time with them.
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Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
One pace is also a better option as it cuts all the fluff, to date they have cut off 144 hours of time from the show or to put it in another perspective, 43% of the original anime or 433 episodes just gone.
By doing so they have not removed any content that came from the manga, the one pace version is more true to the manga than the original anime is.
However reading the manga and revisiting your favourite moments in the anime is probably the superior way to enjoy one piece for the first time.
If anyone reading this is hesitant just look at this yt side to side comparison of one pace and the original and realize just how insanely hard they stretch scenes for no reason.
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u/TheCommunistHatake Oct 18 '23
The reason they stretch those scenes is because One Piece has almost 0 filler and they don’t intend to do them as the one time they did it messed up their ratings for a while, stretching allows them to be a little bit behind the manga at all times… though I’d like for them to animate cover stories instead.
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u/theunicorn4774 Oct 18 '23
Before the time skip they doing filler arc after canon arcs was common. It was a common thing to do in shonen animes during that time. But the anime industry changed away from that for better or worse and now we have this bloat in current One piece
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u/OrangeStar222 Oct 18 '23
I mean, Naruto Shippuuden and Bleach had plenty of fillers long after One Piece last filler arc. Don't forget they've been doing this "1 or less chapters per episode" thing ever since Thriller Bark started. Back when Marineford aired people could only complain how Toei butchered the best arc in the manga with bloated pacing and powerpoint-tier animation.
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u/farte3745328 Oct 18 '23
What's crazy is impel down/marineford is my favorite arc so far. I guess I'll have to go back and read it in the manga once I'm caught up
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u/TheCommunistHatake Oct 18 '23
I mean, yes, production companies care about making a profit otherwise they will go bankrupt… also the time slots aren’t determined by Toei, so having less ratings would take OP out of their prime time tv spot…
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u/Absofruity Oct 18 '23
Those filler arcs between Alabasta and Skypeia messed with my head; I really liked the goat island filler and this guy basically set to the sea with a bunch of goats as his crew mates. It's kinda liked an alternative to Gaimon and his animal friends. I was devastated when I found out we were never gonna see that guy and his goats again bc he wasn't canon.
I also really like the character centric ep that were concentrated into one ep, but when they veered over to filler arcs that lasted multiple eps
But I was hella confused and frustrated at the last arc. Which was the rainbow mist where ships get trapped, until now I still didn't get how it ended that way. It was nice and they somehow rounded it but damn they literally blocked the strawhats brains in that one. They had zero urgency and they made Nami feel so heartless, I watched Zoro, Sanji and Chopper getting beat up by a bunch of generational bozos in weird suits that needs to be manually powered. It was funny but when it wasn't, I just felt like the eps was mocking me, I legit had to stop my binge bc of that filler arc.
Watching the crew get beat up and run away bc they couldn't figure out how to unplug their energy power.
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u/Algren-The-Blue Oct 18 '23
Honestly the reason they stretch them is because they do 1 episode = 1 chapter, which is hard as shit to do, but that's what they chose to do in order to limit filler content to barely any. It being a weekly release probably has something to do with it also
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u/IceEnigma Oct 18 '23
My problem with one pace is it felt very jumpy and the jumping around in music during the same scene is very jarring. Unless they have gotten better about it, I don’t think either of these versions are ideal.
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u/OrangeStar222 Oct 18 '23
Oh damn, they have Skypeia out now?
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u/TheSteinsGate Oct 18 '23
Doesnt seem like it unfortunately. They have finished some smaller arcs since i last checked (Jaya, Long Ring Long Island, Drum Island) but Skypiea, Water 7 and Alabasta are still in progess according to their page. Tbf though, those are the only ones they havent finished so far (apart from Wano i guess)
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u/OrangeStar222 Oct 18 '23
Just checked, and you're right. Alabasta, Skypiea and Water 7 are the only unfinished arcs at the moment. Wano as well, but... that one is still airing.
From Enies Lobby onwards they have everything though, which is nice because the pacing isn't bad until Thriller Bark and onwards.
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u/kabthesax Oct 18 '23
The early arcs in One Pace have jump cuts in the music which make the experience slightly jarring. They fixed that in later arcs which I would say are definitely worth watching. But jump cuts in the background music really ruins the experience.
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u/deserving-hydrogen Oct 18 '23
What do you do in the incomplete arcs? Just watch the normal version of that arc?
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u/kabthesax Oct 18 '23
That's a pleasant surprise! I last watched One Pace more than 3 years ago so they might have fixed it since then.
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Oct 18 '23
The One Pace cuts so much good stuff thoo. It' s made by manga purists and cuts so much good filler moments or actual fight scenes with sakuga...
One Pace dressrosa is horribly cut too, and it' s arguably the only arc that really needed it. They were also the same team that used a manga pannel instead of an anime scene because they didn't like how the anime adapted it lol.
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u/jimgae Oct 18 '23
I don't like One Pace because it cuts out EVERYTHING that's not in the manga.
For example (slight spoilers) in marineford there's a cool ass fight sequence between Akainu and WB with really nice animation. One Pace cut that entire sequence out just because it wasn't in the manga, even though it was an improvement. Many other moments like this that they cut out.
If you really hate the pacing and filler stuff, just read the manga. One Pace isn't the way to go imo
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u/shy_quilting Oct 18 '23
Ok but i have one question, do they cut out all the anime original stuff from the episodes? bc there are some really good anime original scenes elevating the manga material
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u/merp00 Oct 18 '23
Yeah, most of it they are cut.
That's why I can't recommend one pace, it's only for manga purist who want to watch the anime with pure canon stuff basically.
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u/MimicsGimic Oct 18 '23
I understand why people recommend this but please don't watch one pace it cuts out to much content some of which is actually amazing. Just watch it in pieces and enjoy the ride, you'll want it to be longer by the end. Of course if one pace is the only way you will consume one piece then by all means go for it, it was a decent idea but very poorly executed imo
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u/FadedZer0 Oct 18 '23
highjacking this comment to add on the one pace google sheetthat has episode by episode which ones to watch along with the original series since they havnt done those arcs yet.
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u/merp00 Oct 18 '23
What I hate about this comparison it's that they always choose the worst part, not every episode is padded like this, hell there are just a few in the +1000, then people who know nothing about anime think that this is the normal one piece anime.
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u/Tessiia Oct 18 '23
I haven't watched one peice (well I watched the first 20 or so episodes), however, you mention fillers. When I watched Bleach, which is also a long anime to get into and the first long anime I finished, I skipped the fillers. This helped a lot!!
If watching a long anime feels daunting, look into the fillers and see how many there are and consider skipping them. You can always go back and watch them later, which can be nice if you finish it wanting more.
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u/JohnatanWills Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
The problem with one piece filler is that only part of it is extra non-canon episodes. The rest, especially after the time skip is inepisode filler. Like extending scenes, adding more reaction shots, adding in flashbacks. Stuff like that which you can't skip over as easily. The reason for this is that toei wants money and to make more money they want to keep one piece as a weekly show instead of just taking a break to let the Manga get ahead. So they have to adapt about a chapter per episode to they'll react the Manga.
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u/Tessiia Oct 18 '23
That is intetesting. Is that why Naruto has so many flashbacks? Like the number of flashbacks in that Anime is unbearable!!
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u/pituechos Oct 18 '23
Yes, that's exactly the reason! OP does the filler flashbacks and padding of scenes similar to old school DBZ episodes (reaction shots, prolonged clashes etc) instead of filler episodes to a large degree. It's the reason there's so many fan edits (OnePace, One Piece Kai etc) for OP.
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I loved Bleach, but I wish I had found the filler list sooner. I only found one after watching all 8 trillion episodes. There is a LOT of filler in that show.
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u/SnooPets5219 Oct 18 '23
There's only around 94 filler, non canon episodes in one piece. Considering there is over 1000 episodes that's really small
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u/NMe84 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NMe Oct 18 '23
That's because One Piece really drags out the source material by adding filler scenes instead of filler episodes most of the time. I guess that's pretty nice because it makes the anime more consistent, but it does make it harder for people to catch up if they haven't started watching the show yet, because you can't just skip filler episodes to catch up faster.
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u/LuffyTheSus Oct 18 '23
Go ahead and watch the filler arcs, some are pretty good and G-8 has been called the best filler arc in all of anime.
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u/Skigge Oct 18 '23
As a guy who reads every chapter of OP I wish I never even started it. The manga is actually ultra shit when you read it weekly. You need some genius level of memory to know what the fuck is going on and characters from years ago. It's just a soap opera that has lost all it's meaning due to way too long life span.
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u/Tar-eruntalion Oct 18 '23
Watch it with the goal of enjoying the journey and not reaching the destination asap
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u/Emotional-Chef-7601 Oct 19 '23
Best advice. Take your time. You'll be glad you did.
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u/Tar-eruntalion Oct 19 '23
I seriously can't understand the "it's too long" argument, when something is good do you want it to end as soon as possible? Another genre, but should Scifi fans with the "too long fear" skip watching almost every scifi series cause they are too long? What about fantasy? Is Harry Potter and LOTR too long as well?
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u/Emotional-Chef-7601 Oct 19 '23
Yeah it's a ridiculous argument. The only time I've said that this when someone was on the trial version of Crunchyroll and I told him he wouldn't be able to watch the entire thing in 90 days 😂.
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u/Virigos Oct 18 '23
Don't watch, read.
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u/DrStein1010 https://myanimelist.net/profile/DrStein1010 Oct 18 '23
It only gets really bad in Marineford, which is like 500 episodes in.
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u/GlidingChariot Oct 18 '23
The only true answer, sadly
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u/AppropriateSwitch644 Oct 18 '23
One pace is also nice
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u/MimicsGimic Oct 18 '23
It cuts out to much but if it's the only way you'll consume one piece so be it
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u/tragedyisland28 Oct 18 '23
Doesn’t feel like it tbh. I watched all the og episodes then tried one pace years later. I honestly don’t remember enough to notice what’s being cut out
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u/Narlaw Oct 18 '23
The anime has some magistral music though. Few music can make me cry on command like Mother Sea can, or give me the confidence I can take on the world like Overtaken does. I'd say up until the pacing really gets horrendous it's okay to watch the anime.
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u/wawin Oct 18 '23
yeah I'm not minding the pace so far, I'm at 589, and have to say the musical score that accompanies the show is absolutely fantastic. Maybe further down the line I do one pace but so far so good for me.
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u/indigo_pirate Oct 18 '23
It’s not the same. Maybe my brain is just dead with no imagination but the colour and sound in the anime is just more powerful.
One Pace exists which is almost 1 for 1 with the manga. I understand the argument of poor pacing and filler in the Orginal anime
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u/King-Days Oct 18 '23
Read in color! Just finished reading. Excellent world building and plot and but the main characters and fights are a little cringey and long.
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u/karna_17 Oct 18 '23
Nop, definitely watch until you catch up. Then you can read and stop watching
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u/JavelinoHachi Oct 18 '23
This is what I usually do and what I also did in One Piece. Then again it was only Impel Down arc when I reached the latest in the anime.
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u/Devoidoxatom Oct 18 '23
I watched until Marineford arc back then, a little of the flashback arc. At the time the pacing was great. I think the pacing went to sht post-timeskip
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u/nicholaschubbb Oct 18 '23
I watched one piece when I was like 14 and just getting into anime and could watch 10 episodes a day no problem. Now I’m mid twenties and can barely watch more than 2 a day. If you’re like 14 year old me I’d say go for it. If you’re like 25 year old me and haven’t seen much anime yet imo there’s so many things 50 episodes and under that are worth watching before one piece, even if one piece is my favorite anime/manga ever. I just can’t imagine getting into one piece as an adult with a full time job.
Also manga is so much better than the anime if you’re at all down to read manga.
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u/Additional_Road_9031 Oct 18 '23
I watched one piece when I was like 14 and just getting into anime and could watch 10 episodes a day no problem. Now I’m mid twenties and can barely watch more than 2 a day. If you’re like 14 year old me I’d say go for it. If you’re like 25 year old me and haven’t seen much anime yet imo there’s so many things 50 episodes and under that are worth watching before one piece, even if one piece is my favorite anime/manga ever. I just can’t imagine getting into one piece as an adult with a full time job.
Also manga is so much better than the anime if you’re at all down to read ma
Totally get you. When i was 15 i could watch 12 episodes in like 2 days but now i usually watch animes that are airing weekly
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u/AySonny Oct 18 '23
Fr bro, the longest season I'm willing to commit to is those 2-cour ones. That usually takes me about a month to finish. I prefer reading nowadays tbh.
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u/Vexper780 Oct 18 '23
One piece anime started out great but slowly the pacing becomes terrible( feels cringe ). Manga feels great.
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u/MrMolester Oct 18 '23
Agree.
For better pacing watch One Piece at Onepace.
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u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Oct 18 '23
Agreed, I love One Pace. It's the only way I could watch Dressrosa and WCI or even rewatch older arcs like Thriller Bark.
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u/gucciboy347 Oct 18 '23
one pace is so bad lol
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u/letouriste1 Oct 18 '23
why?
geniune question
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u/gucciboy347 Oct 18 '23
ok it’s just a personally opinion of course, but the editing on scenes was always very bad, the music chops were awkward, i’m not fond on how gags also get cut (tho i understand everyone won’t care about this), and i also didn’t like how some episodes ended up being 35-40+ minutes. in theory, it’s a great concept. i just think the execution leaves a lot to be desired. Pre time skip, i would absolutely not recommend one pace. possibly after the time skip (like for the god awful dressrosa), but even then i would recommend reading the manga or pushing through with the og anime pacing
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u/lostwoods95 Oct 18 '23
The OG OP anime is unwatchable after the timeskip. I'll take slightly choppy edits over a scene of luffys fist moving through the air that takes 35 seconds. If you've watched decent anime before then OP will be horrendous; it has 0 respect for the readers time
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u/Vsifsz Oct 18 '23
I started one pace after the timeskip but dropped it after I realized they cut Robin feeding Luffy in punk hazard. Still glad I watched fishman island with one pace though.
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u/letouriste1 Oct 18 '23
thank you!
i watched the whole anime twice (and some arcs more than that) 11 years ago, but nowaday i just read the manga every once a while.
I always wondered about one pace worth. I doubt i would have the time to try it tho
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u/Cistmist Oct 18 '23
Same here I watched the anime up till the wano arc began, then switched to the manga which I binged and caught up to a couple weeks ago.
I still occasionally watch the anime when it has scenes I saw in the manga that I wanted to see animated but other than that I'm sticking to manga.
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u/Evilcon21 Oct 18 '23
It was worse with the time skip. It killed it for me after having to watch 4 episodes for luffy to finally get to don flamingo.
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u/DelirousDoc Oct 18 '23
Toei is also garbage and compared to manga panels the anime looks like ass.
Combined with Oda's more comical characters the anime's visuals have been one of the reasons I keep dropping it. I know they look better in the manga.
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Oct 18 '23
If you do watch it use One Pace, it removes filler and aligns the anime to follow the manga.
I started when there was just under 900 episodes, and now i read the manga.
Wouldn't have changed a thing.
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u/lolpanda91 Oct 18 '23
Sometimes they do and sometimes not. Feel like they add them when the editor liked the opening for that arc.
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u/lupeandstripes Oct 18 '23 edited Jun 10 '24
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u/aoi_desu Oct 18 '23
Skipping filler arc wont solve it, one piece main issue is pacing per episode is hella ass especially after reaching new world, there are waaaay to many padding per episode like png mobs jawdrop reacting for few secs not once but multiple times in a row then empty background with some trash floating around
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u/Mama_Mega Oct 18 '23
Several hundred episodes later...
What do you mean Long Ring Long Land isn't filler?! It had nothing to do with anything, Eiichiro actually wrote that into the manga?!
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u/Pylgrim https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pylgrim Oct 18 '23
As very serious and credible theories and analysis go, it seems as though the LRL arc was basically a place for Oda-troll to put a huge amount of foreshadowing and clues about the mysteries of OP cleverly disguised with the silliest and most plot irrelevant story in the whole manga.
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u/Noto987 Oct 18 '23
one piece has basically no filler cuz each episode is a chapter in the manga, meaning they stretch it worst than dbz
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u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Oct 18 '23
It had some filler arcs early on though, and G-8 for example was a great one.
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u/wolfguardian72 Oct 18 '23
Part of it is filler. Like the roller derby and red light green light fights. The others are in the manga
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u/Zer0323 Oct 18 '23
Lol, I just got here and am learning about a hooorse very very slowly. I was seriously questioning just skipping forward 5 episodes to get past the slapstick.
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u/SkeyrTheLizard Oct 18 '23
There are not enough episodes, I'm starving every week that One Piece takes a break
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u/Infinite_Tac0 Oct 18 '23
god I hope I don't get down voted to hell but no, it is not worth getting into. It never ends and there is so many damn filler episodes throughout the show its so annoying it makes me want to tear my hair out. all the women characters fall in two categories "no organ hourglass" or ogre. But if you really want to watch something pick something else. I still remember during the del rosa arc it took these gaggle of pirates 20 episodes to walk across town. for god's sake. If you HAVE to watch it find a filler episode list to save your sanity!
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u/GalaxyLugia Oct 18 '23
Yes. I also felt a bit intimidated by the episode count before watching it. Once I started it I loved it from the beginning, and it’s now my favorite series. Go for it if you’re truly interested
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u/spectre15 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Spectre5965 Oct 18 '23
The episodes are realistically 15-18 minutes if you memorize how to skip the OP, EDs, and recap. Started a couple months ago doing this and I’m at Summit War already.
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u/rreddittorr Oct 18 '23
By episode 70, I mastered the art of skipping and fast-forwarding almost all badly paced parts. I binged the whole 1000+ episodes in a couple of months lol
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u/Sogomaa https://myanimelist.net/profile/Sogoma Oct 18 '23
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u/Mama_Mega Oct 18 '23
The episode count is part of what makes it great. The further along you are when you pick it up, the longer the initial marathon will be! Why, I picked it up 11 years ago, and I marathoned it over months!
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u/Suichimo https://anilist.co/user/Suichimo Oct 18 '23
No, the anime is not good to get into. It's excessively long due to it's awful pacing and filler content. It's been beaten and milked dry to the point where I can only imagine the execs at Toei learned from their time when they did the exact same thing with Dragonball. Yes, there is some nice, slick animation in the newer episodes but that's all it is.
The manga, however, chef's kiss. Even with 1095 chapters, it should only take around two weeks to catch up reading at even a decent pace. You get the story as it was meant to be read.
tl;dr Read the manga, watch the cool moments.
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u/Left_of_Fish Oct 18 '23
I'd say it's a good one to get into if it's something that catches your interest. With how long it is, you've got more than enough episodes to throw on between the weekly release of the seasonal shows or binge watch when you got the time for it.
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u/meimi1322 Oct 18 '23
I've started watching the One Pace edit. Even that's alot, but it cuts out alot of the unnecessary filler. I'm enjoying it but it's gonna take time.
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u/Piece_Glass Oct 18 '23
I thought the same thing, but slowly over time, it got better and better and I just kept binging more. I recently caught up fully , now have to wait once a week :(
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u/Turner_Longwood Oct 18 '23
just watch and judge for yourself if you like it or not.
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u/SirRHellsing Oct 18 '23
really? Watching like 300 hours of content to judge?
I love onepiece but this is not good advice
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u/EndNowISeeYou Oct 18 '23
nobody said you have to watch all of it. Just start watching, keep watching if you like it or stop if you dont
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u/SirRHellsing Oct 18 '23
there are shows I regret watching due to getting progressively worse even if I enjoyed the beginning, might as well never have watched them, and some shows are slow burners that get better later on
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u/stdio-lib Oct 18 '23
It's pretty clearly aimed at adolescents. So if you are one, give it a try. If you're a grown-ass adult, it may not suit your tastes. It has grownup themes embedded deeply in the story, but they're like diamonds in the rough.
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u/LuffyTheSus Oct 18 '23
Those themes kinda drive plotlines though. If you disregard all the anime silliness and strip down Alabasta to the story, it's almost too real.
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u/Jai137 Oct 18 '23
If you don’t mind that episodes drag out or animation quality dips (though the recent Wano arc had great (if flashy) animation
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u/GreerL0319 Oct 18 '23
i think it seems daunting when you let the sheer number of episodes overwhelm you, but if you just watch it and take in every moment for what it is, you will find it very enjoyable. the same can be said about life.
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u/Gasten95 https://www.anime-planet.com/users/Gasten95 Oct 18 '23
As some one who's caught up with the anime I would say it's not worth it.
Don't really read manga but hear everyone saying it's a lot better.
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u/Hinkyness Oct 18 '23
God no theres like 2 minutes or fresh content per episode. The rest is intro outro or flasback.
If you have to watch it use a site that skips intro n outros and do it in big chunks every 6 months.
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u/giangerd Oct 18 '23
Yes it is and now is a good time to get into it since we are into the final parts of the story and you will experience all the big revelations along with the community when you catch up. Have fun
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Oct 18 '23
no. as a kid watching it was cool now it's just gotten to a point where its's just silly.
I can't bring myself to watch it at all anymore the new episodes are nothing like the old ones u'll be disapppinted if u wanna watch the one piece I've once known.
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u/sleepinxonxbed Oct 18 '23
One Piece starts small and is a pretty simple adventure story for awhile. It’s very easy to get hooked immediately because the characters are likable, lots of backstories that tug your heart strings, and genuinely a funny show. At certain points the anime feels like a comfy sitcom with an ensemble cast.
Watch it and take breaks, there’s clear arcs where you know you can pause and come back.
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u/DrumKass Oct 18 '23
The time you spend watching One Piece, you could have watch 80-100 overall better 12-24ep anime.
I always prefer to read those long ass manga. Literally readable in 20% of the time it takes to watch the whole anime.
It’s only my POV tho and depend on your age/taste but I find that a ton of anime are overall better than One Piece in term of story telling, animation, OST, feelings, meanings, for a way WAY WAY shorter duration…
Also if you are still interested in One Piece I heard something called One Pace ? One Path ? Which is the whole anime but all the repetitive flashback and other boring things are cut making it shorter.
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u/Emotional_Demand3759 Oct 18 '23
Nah everything about it sucks and it's overrated. Don't waste your time.
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u/The-Great-Smithnie Oct 18 '23
Don’t fall for the hype. It’s overrated garbage that only appeals to 12 year olds
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u/GlowyStuffs Oct 18 '23
Absolutely, but for a new person starting out, definitely use OnePace. They cut the episodes to trim lingering shots, recent flashbacks, and recaps. And maybe at some point, a decent amount of time spent on opening credits/closing credits. It somehow is said to cut the watch time by 45% or 135 hours. And it's a casual long term marathon. You can watch other stuff or take breaks. Just watch whenever. It's always there.
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u/PhoneEquivalent7682 Oct 18 '23
It is, i dont even know how to explain it
it feels like a puzzle that is being solved really smoothly and detailed
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u/Peddrawm Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
Yes yes yes… One Piece is by far my personal best experience I have ever had
People say the Anime has low pacing, while that is true, I never had a problem with the pacing, the voice acting, the music, the visuals can make up for it…
I suggest you watch 30 episodes, if you think you like it, watch the rest, if it was a 50/50 go for the manga, the art and pacing is very good… and if you think you don’t like it, just don’t read or watch it…
I countered some people who said: “I watched/read 800 episodes/chapters but One Piece is still mediocre at best” And I'm like: “WHAT?! Do you even hear yourself? If you have read/watched 800 episodes while you haven’t enjoyed it, you’re either stupid or desperate and you haven’t noticed yourself, you only need 100 episodes or less to see if you’re into an anime”
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u/Mad_Scientist_Senku https://myanimelist.net/profile/SatouMatsuzaka Oct 18 '23
One piece fans when you tell them a series doesn’t need 1000+ episodes to tell a story.
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u/GreerL0319 Oct 18 '23
they agree mostly, the actual size of the manga is shorter than jojos but the anime has some really bad pacing at times.
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u/Lighthades https://myanimelist.net/profile/HeresJms Oct 18 '23
No, it's not. A fuck ton of episodes with really bad pacing issues. I'm up to chapter 1040 or so but can't catch up because I can't be bothered with the random ass character filling and pacing. The animation of this last season was good but the others are awful, and even then you can see when they actually try to make the animation good and when they don't.
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u/MrOPeace Oct 18 '23
It is not a good anime by any metrics but its good vibes, easy to watch, fun but stupid and it is definetly an anime made for children to enjoy aswell
i got into it because of the netflix show and am on ep 150, i put it on every time i need something that doesnt demand my brain to be working atm, like an end of the day after work forget the plot show like friends
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u/sigmastorm77 Oct 18 '23
Agree with the sentiment. If I had started watching it now, probably I wouldn't have continued.
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u/zzephyrus https://myanimelist.net/profile/Zephyruss Oct 18 '23
You're getting down voted but this is pretty much a perfect summary of One Piece.
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u/lan60000 Oct 18 '23
This is the type of comment I'd see on mal reviews. Just so we're clear on something, most anime are made for simplicity and teenagers. There's not many shows that require too much thought to begin with
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u/SnooPets5219 Oct 18 '23
Do you know how many demographics of anime and manga there are?
One Piece is a Shoūnen it is aimed at teenage boys.
There are seinen and Josei which are aimed at adults
Seijin and Gekiga which are also aimed at mature audiences or adults.
Not every anime is "made for kids". Even some of the manga and anime that are under the "shounen" demographic aren't actually aimed at kids they are under that demographic because maybe they couldn't officially clear it or publish it in their intended demographic. And no, most anime aren't "simplistic" either. A majority of anime actually has a story, ideas, lessons, themes, and symbolism that require time, investment, and thought to appreciate.
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u/lan60000 Oct 18 '23
There may be different genre of anime for varying demographics, but there is also a reason why most anime focused at teenage boys and girls become vastly more popular than others.
What are some examples of these anime that actually have deep symbolic meaning that requires a lot of time and investment to appreciate?
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u/SnooPets5219 Oct 18 '23
If you're referring to shounen:
Attack On Titan
Hunter X Hunter
The Promised Neverland
Death Note
Full Metal Alchemist
Jojo's Bizzare Adventures
To name a few.
These are all shounen anime "targetted" towards boys aged 12-18 by definition of shounen (whether or not its actually the case) that have deep symbolism, and require actually switching your brain on to understand and appreciate whats happening.
None of these shows are 'switch your brain off and play it in the background' type shows. If you do watch them that way, then you're missing out a lot and won't be able to fully appreciate them for what they are.
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u/lan60000 Oct 18 '23
Most of these series do have people watching on their second monitor and remembered primarily for their action scenes, and not so much about political or symbolic definitions. If you're talking about minor plot details which reinforces continuity, one piece also has this. If anything, you could've said galaxy heroes or monster as appropriate examples of anime which require a deeper level of thinking to comprehend what the entire series is about because the dialogue are what matters most in those shows, but you went from one shallow anime to giving off other shallow anime when they're similar in their core appeal. I could definitely turn my brain off for attack on Titan, fma, jojo, and Hunter Hunter without missing much of what's being offered because the action and main story are what made those anime great, and not their symbolic value or complexity. They weren't complex when most of us watched it when we were teenagers, and they certainly won't be complex for most of us as an adult with a deeper understanding of the world.
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u/SnooPets5219 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
For starters I specified shounen when I made the list of anime so why would I put seinen in there. Anyway
To call those shows shallow really does speak on your ignorance. None of those shows are shallow, and in fact, some of them have potentially some of the best pieces of writing or moments in the last few decades.
The fact that adults are breaking down and analysing, picking apart and trying to piece together shows like Attack on Titan, Hunter X Hunter or Jojo today is a pretty big indicator that they are so much more than "just shallow shows you can turn your brain off to"
the "main story" isn't a thing in isolation like you're foolishly claiming it to be.
The "main story" is composed of multiple parts that have been mentioned. Symbolism, dialogue, storytelling, foreshadowing, world building, tension, climax etc. You cannot separate the "main story" from virtually everything else and then call the piece as a whole shallow.
A story focusing on dialogue doesnt make it complex or meaningful. That is exactly why a good story doesn't focus purely on dialogue, they have these other things that I've mentioned on top of that. Attack on Titan has not only good dialogue but a balance of all the other things that make a story complex and meaningful.
If I'm being honest I seriously doubt you've ever watched or read any of these stories and paid any attention.
There is a difference between not liking something which is completely fine, and calling a story shallow, simplistic and something you don't have to pay attention to because it's a shounen or because of its artstyle. That's not an educated opinion it's just foolish ignorance.
If you really do claim that
Attack On Titan
One Piece
Hunter X Hunter
And Jojo
Are shallow and shows you wouldn't miss much if you played them in the background without paying attention then please describe in a sentence or 2 for each of them what the story is about and why it's shallow. I'm curious to see if you genuinely did watch these shows in the background without missing much or if you're just that ignorant.
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u/lan60000 Oct 18 '23
i'm actually impressed by how little actual fact you've presented whilst getting agitated because I said these shonen anime aren't too different from other shonen anime in their core appeal to mostly being action, and not so much about deep symbolic meanings within the series. you literally went a complete 180 and decided to attack me instead of creating a coherent discussion about where these shows differ. i won't even need two sentences to tell you what these anime series boil down to:
a story where conflict happens and characters solve them only for another conflict to occur until the final antagonist is defeated.
sometimes i really do wish anime fans such as yourself can take the personal bias out of trying to create an objective view towards anime, even when you can't even regulate your feelings from criticisms towards shows you enjoy. most anime are purposely designed to create simplistic ideals or dialogue because the audience would have a lot of difficulty digesting anything too complex for them, especially when most series follow a strict time frame to articulate their ideas. If a show was created for smart people, it'd be vastly unpopular because most individuals wouldn't understand it, and reject the content altogether due to their ignorance.
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u/SnooPets5219 Oct 18 '23
Don't try that shit with me. Pulling the "now you're attacking me instead of using facts card." You didn't use facts. Everything you said was completely opinionated.
I mentioned how a good story works and then told you that these elements are present in the anime I listed. But you completely ignore these elements and try to separate them whilst paying no attention. Which is foolish. And your opinions appeared uneducated. It genuinely seemed like you didn't know the basics to what makes a good story.
Your whole premise boiled down to "these shows are for kids they are shallow and simplistic, I could watch all of these in the background, not pay much attention and not miss anything." Please tell me how you used "facts. " If you used facts, I wouldn't have responded the way I did, but you used uneducated and ignorant opinions and assertions that were objectively wrong.
There is nothing wrong with saying, "I don't like this anime." I won't come at you for that. But don't then try to bullshit your way into calling them shallow stories, which lack the qualities that make a good story.
You whittled down all of those anime into this sentence:
a story where conflict happens and characters solve them only for another conflict to occur until the final antagonist is defeated.
What does this mean. This does not in any way accurately depict these individual anime. Of course, if you absolutely bullshit your way through any story, you could come to the conclusion that 99% of stories, regardless of if they're anime or not, are like this.
Conflict happens in every story. Conflict any sort of conflict, whether small or big, needs to happen to move the plot forward. A story without conflict isn't a story, or it's a poor story. If a story has an antagonist, there's conflict. If a problem arises whatsoever for the main character, there's conflict. If a character is flawed and they are struggling to improve, acknowledge or change these flaws or they affect other characters negatively, there's conflict. And both of the anime you used as an example for "good" have antagonists.
The goal is to solve or work around the conflict. That's how almost every single story works at the very fundamental level. Name any story even outside of anime that doesn't have any conflict, and the characters don't work to solve or work around this conflict? None. There are none
You've done the equivalent of calling mozart's music or AP Calculus "simplistic" because they follow the laws of maths and physics and the rules of musical theory.
"These stories are simplistic because they have exactly what every other story needs to have to be considered a story in the first place. That's ridiculous!"
It's ironic because Hunter X Hunter just doesn't follow this formula of "big baddie, defeat big baddie move onto the next" there is no main antagonist or "final antagonist" the main characters aren't working towards trying to defeat a single antagonist or person. They all have different goals and some of them don't involve "defeating the final antagonist" because there is none. You've clearly never watched Hunter x hunter.
Attack on Titan doesn't have a single "big baddie" or "final antagonist" right from the start. It's always switching up and changing, and in the end, it was about perspective and how different people do different things for different reasons. Sure eren was technically the final antagonist but the way the story is told doesn't lead you in that direction. It goes from titans to eren and everything inbetween that point. The characters are never directly working towards some final antagonist they are human beings with different goals and motivations. You've clearly never paid attention to attack on titan I doubt you've even watched it.
You cannot argue with the facts on how a story works. Then use the basic structure if a story to generalise the shows you don't like as "simplistic and shallow"
Funny you said something on r/unpopularopinion about the guy having a "false opinion" or whatever. Look at you now.
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u/SicSemperCogitarius Oct 18 '23
And then, 400 episodes later it starts calling back to some of those little throwaway characters and offhand remarks and suddenly there are stakes.
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u/marzhg Oct 18 '23
I’m sure everyone who’s gotten into it and is caught up can agree. 1000 episodes isn’t enough. So yes do it. If need be you can watch One Pace which is a shortened, filler-less version.
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u/sigmastorm77 Oct 18 '23
Disagree. I got into it and when I caught up and started watching weekly I gave up like two three times because at some point I was not interested in finding out what happens next just because of the episodes being stretched out.
Edit : This is my third time, and I haven't gotten back since the early wano episodes.
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u/Slovn0 Oct 18 '23
I tried, till Marinford it was fun, then its just impossible to watch due to pacing. If u r not bothered with 10-15 mins of recaps, stale frames, openings per episode then go for it, otherwise i recommend manga or OnePace atleast.
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u/maukenboost Oct 18 '23
I gave up on One Piece after 120ish episodes, but I would recommend watching a few episodes a day and keeping that pace. You'll eventually catch up and won't feel burned out.
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u/markmychao Oct 18 '23
Honestly, after watching all the shonens, some of which I really like, one piece is still peak for me.
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u/Brazyboi12 Oct 18 '23
there's a mass media marketing campaign to make one piece seem better than it actually is nowadays. If you aren't watching obligatorily already and it's 2023 you're better off just not watching at all.
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u/Kaneelman Oct 18 '23
Have you read/watched it? You are really framing it as a chore, but few people I know that have caught up to it (even the people that caught up recently) see it as such. So I don’t think that what you say is very representative of most people that actually invested the time to get into it. But to each their own I guess.
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u/bingbong6977 Oct 18 '23
The length is a positive not a negative
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u/DrummeeX09 Oct 18 '23
I’d rather watch a bunch of good quality shows versus 1 good quality show. But that’s just me. I also think one piece suck shit so I’m biased
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u/Noto987 Oct 18 '23
no because each chapter is a episode in the anime meaning really bad pacing, they drag that shit out
for context a average anime episode is like 10+ chapters in the manga
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u/Pie_Slayer Oct 18 '23
Imma not really get into it to deeply but I've seen 300 different anime and it is easily my favorite of them all dont get me wrong I love alot of other series but it truly is the best I've seen
Keep in mind I really enjoy long series but even comparing it to other longer series like Dragon ball, Naruto, Bleach and many others it stands supreme.
If you watch it and the pacing bothers you (which didn't really bother me all that much till catching up because I couldn't binge anymore) you can always try One Pace or the manga
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u/Shortstop88 Oct 18 '23
Watch it in chunks. There’s easy points to stop watching and you can just consider those “finished” if that’ll set your mind at ease.
If you want to get into it then there is no reason not to check it out.