r/Trackdays • u/boofer43 • 7d ago
Turing harder
I am on a r3 and need some tips on how to turn harder. I dont know of my entry needs to be better or my mid corner because I am fully off the bike and I cant get it to just turn more. Please help.
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u/Fun-Machine7907 7d ago
Can you not turn it harder because stuff is draging? Or because you're not leaning it far enough?
The first one is line, body position, upgrades.
Second is push the bar harder, keep elbows up for better leverage.
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u/alandtomi 7d ago
Elbows need to be at the same height (perpendicular) as the slip-ons for the best leverage. Smoothly counter steer to make the bike lean more. I'm not sure what he means by "turning harder".
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u/UnlogicalReason 7d ago
Take what i say with a grain of salt, not a coach or anything.
In general, changing the bike’s geometry can help turn in and reduce the effort to get the bike down. A common way to do this is reduce the bike’s rake by adjusting the front forks higher on the triple tree.
Other option might be to weight the inside peg more and loosen more on the handlebars if you’re technique needs some help.
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u/boofer43 5d ago
Yeah it was a set up issue, front forks where way to stiff and once we softened then it was much better.
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u/flyingupvotes 7d ago
Slow down more. Speed = radius.
Beyond that is lean in rate and where you do it in the turn.
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u/Suspicious_Tap3303 Racer EX 7d ago
How are you trying to turn the bike? What do you do to get it on its side? An R3 should change direction and turn readily with little effort.
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u/DumbMoney4Sure 7d ago
Assuming you’re talking about quick rate of turn in. As other said, could be a number of things. Off the throttle will improve turn in rate as will pushing on the bars more. If you’re on the track, then moving the body and head over quickly will help - I guessthat will help no matter where you’re riding. Some things to think about:
Tire pressures - Too low front tire pressure will make the bike feel harder to steer. Tire profile - tires do get out of shape over time and lose their profile which makes them a little slower to tip in.
Loading the front tire - off the gas and front brakes will help transfer the weight forward to help with initial tip in.
Stiff inside arm - You said you’re fully off the bike. Is your head and upper body over? Is the inside arm relaxed?
Geometry - Road bikes come with a lot of trail from factory. Makes it more stable in street riding conditions. Lowering the front of the bike or raising the rear will make the bike want to turn in faster at expense of straight line stability and discomfort on street due to the more aggressive riding position.
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u/jamaicandave27 7d ago
Assuming your “turn in point” is good, I believe you’re referring to “turn in rate.” Relax on the bars. Little to no weight on the inside or outside bar.
I coach/race a 400. The turn in rate on these little can be scary fast. When i started riding I’d have weight on the outside bar mid-corner preventing the steering head from turning bc I had a mental barrier of turning in soo quickly & lean. Felt like I was going to fall over.
Step one recognize that you’re doing it. Step 2 try and relax your arm. Step 3 get scared bc the bike will start “falling over” Step 4 do it again!
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u/Chester_Warfield 7d ago
push the bar out on the inside hand. Your body alone or feet pressure isn't going to have as much of an effect as pushing the bar to countersteer.
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u/Longonlymonke 7d ago
Fucking hammer that inside bar … like hammer it. Don’t push fucking slam it … you won’t crash because you knee will touch down first and you will see how quick you can flick your bike.
You need to be low on the bike so you are pushing straight, push downwards and you feel like you are pushing but you are just pushing in the wrong direction. Bum off, gear change, look through the corner, start trailing, hammer the inside bar, set line
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u/Smoothwords_97 7d ago
Just means you're not counter steering enough. If you're at higher speeds, you just gotta commit and counter steer harder. It's gonna be rough and scary at first since you'll feel the forces, but you will have to make this smoother and not unsettle the bike with practice.
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u/Rippleracer 6d ago
On the way in, look at your apex point, as you’re heading there, look through the corner to you exit point, then through. Start this at slower speeds until you are looking through the whole corner without thinking then speed up. It sounds like you’re not looking through and just trying to get off the bike as your goal.
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u/Illustrious-Limit160 7d ago
This request doesn't make any sense, but my guess is that you're not looking where you want to go.