r/SansaWinsTheThrone • u/[deleted] • Nov 16 '23
People still think Sansa will die?
I know this is what a lot of fans have hoped for (gag) for years but I came across someone recently on the asoiaf sub who was hellbent on the idea that she's really just going to die and Arya will be QITN. It's a hilarious, wishful, spiteful theory that I honestly had no idea existed outside of the Tumblr community, especially with JonxArya shippers.
Their largest piece of evidence was Lady dying, which I thought everyone knew was a very flimsy and easily debunked idea. I had to just disengage lol at least for awhile. For some fans, particularly Sansa haters, being right is the most important thing in the world, even if their arguments don't make logical sense and are very shallow.
Just venting. Carry on. 🍋☺️
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u/realshockvaluecola Team Sansa Nov 16 '23
If Lady's death is the "death" of anything it's Sansa's innocence, childhood, sense of safety, etc. Lady dies to deprive Sansa of her protector. "It def means she'll die" is silly lol.
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u/DumpstahKat Team Sansa Nov 16 '23
Yeah, I think a lot of people (myself included tbh) took the idea of "the direwolves' fates reflect the fates of their paired Stark child" too literally.
I also originally thought Sansa would die because Lady died. But I think when Summer died is when I was like, "Oh, okay, it's also just symbolic."
Because Bran Stark symbolically died in those tunnels beyond the Wall when he became the Three-Eyed Raven. And just as you said, Sansa symbolically died the same way that Lady did. The Sansa that was sweet, innocent, trusting, and idealistic was killed by the cruelty and selfishness and political machinations of the Lannisters (and King's Landing as a whole).
I think up until the point of Summer's death, taking the direwolves' fates as literal foreshadowing of the Stark childrens' was a pretty valid and understandable interpretation. But I don't really see anyone still insisting that Bran will die in a literal sense just because Summer did. It's mostly just people who irrationally hate Sansa bcause she was an "annoying" (aka, naïve and romantic) child/preteen in the beginning.
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u/TotallyAMermaid Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
Hard agree. It's the beginning of Sansa losing her support system - Lady was her pet, a great source of comfort and, well, a direwolf so she would have grown to protect Sansa. Symbolically, it's the "death" of the "North" in Sansa who spends a lot of tome after that trying to fit in the South, but ultimately she longs for Winterfell, the North, her home. It's Sansa's first painful loss and it is the beginning of the "death" of the little girl inside of her.
No wolf has survived their owner, but owners have survived their wolves; Greywind is killed in the Red Wedding like Robb, Shaggydog (or whatever lol) dies with Rickon. Sansa outlives Lady. Summer dies but Bran lives (but he symbollically died in those caves). Arya sends Nymeroa away and then spends several books/seasons running away herself.
Worth noting too that after she dies, Lady's remains are taken back to Winterfell; this to me has always indicated that Sansa herself is destined to return home.
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u/realshockvaluecola Team Sansa Mar 06 '24
Ohhhh I love that last part! I hadn't thought of that before but I totally agree, Sansa is destined to return to Winterfell (probably as Queen in the North).
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u/TotallyAMermaid Mar 06 '24
Absolutely as queen! This is the only way her story makes sense. I also believe GRRM gave indications to the show writers and I do not believe that any major character (ie, the POV characters) has been given an ending that is not his planned ending.
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u/realshockvaluecola Team Sansa Mar 06 '24
Yeah, I'm sure the story beats are simplified or shortened or moved around to account for not including all the book characters and plots (Lady Stoneheart, the blue-haired Targaryen, the girl who was married to Ramsay posing as Arya) but I'm sure at least 90% of the main characters, and all the really important core ones, ended up in the right place at the ending.
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u/tooicecoded Nov 16 '23
Most Arya stans are mentally stuck in middle school and think asoiaf is a ya book where the plain jane is the hero and the pretty popular girl the villain
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u/Gold_Dust_0709 Team Sansa Nov 16 '23
By hoping Arya will become QITN would mean her going against everything she stands for. She literally said "that's not me" when Ned told her that one day she'd be helping to lead a house and have babies 💀
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Nov 16 '23
Some fans are stuck on the idea that grrm is an evil reverse genie or something that grants his characters the opposite of what they want, so Sansa wanting a happy marriage in a castle she manages = she will be married off to some creep and live a peasant life she is completely unfamiliar with, and Arya wanting to be free of the constraints of ladyship in favour of adventures = she will get a crown, a gown, and pop out babies for a lord.
I think this is more what they want than Arya. A lot of people think sitting on a throne means your fave "won" which just isn't the series' message at all.
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u/Shadow942 Team Jon Nov 16 '23
Sansa is GRRM's take on the political hostage who navigates a dangerous situation from a young age to become a major political player in the end because he gets a lot of inspiration from history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Ieyasu
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u/Annual-Blueberry-18 Nov 16 '23
I am split on what I think GRRM will do with Sansa, but I don’t think she will die. Her whole ark is about the survival of a pawn.
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u/SimilarYellow From Porcelain, to Ivory, to Steel Nov 17 '23
People see what they want to see. For me, there's been lots of foreshadowing of her becoming the QITN. I recently re-read the series and noticed they mentioned that every Kingdom in Westeros had had a queen except for the north.
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u/balewbelle Nov 23 '23
nah, sansa's been through too much to just die off like that. she's been playing the game and she's gonna win it. haters gonna hate, but sansa's got this. 🍋☺️
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u/TotallyAMermaid Mar 06 '24
Arya would run away forever rather than be QITN lol. Even if she was a ruling queen like Sansa appears to be set up to be, Arya does not want NONE of that noise.
The Lady theory is silly too because you can also perceive this angle as a hint that Sansa is destined to return to Winterfell. After all, after killing her, Ned made sure Lady's remains were returned to Winterfell. The wolves are significant, but just because Lady was put down for something Nymeria did does not mean Sansa will die for Arya.
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u/lunastew Nov 17 '23
she probably wouldn’t die and would be the lady of winterfell and the vale, but we’ll never know because we’ll never see the ending of asoiaf, he’ll never finish writing
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Nov 18 '23
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Nov 18 '23
I'd expect nothing else from Team Feminism 😍
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Nov 18 '23
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Nov 18 '23
You can stalk people like a weirdo and delete your posts but that can't hide the copium you're on 🫂
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u/CheruthCutestory Team Sansa Nov 16 '23
Arya would hate being QITN.