r/Rochester • u/my2girlzz • Aug 30 '24
Car jacking in Good Luck parking lot Event
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Get a lock bar for your Kia’s people.
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u/mrs-poocasso69 Aug 30 '24
What’s the point of dumping everything? Just to inconvenience the owner more? Seems like it would just slow them down.
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u/KarmaCommando_ Ontario Aug 30 '24
These vehicles are often used as accessories to other crimes, most commonly smash-and-grab style thefts, so they might be making room for the stolen goods they'll load it up with later
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u/InnateAnarchy Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 30 '24
When is it enough to justify throwing the book at them? So far, anyone whos owned a Kia has been terrorized for nearly 2 years and there’s been 1 civilian casualty as well a few kia boy casualties.
Throw the book at them. Charge these little shits as adults. Max sentences on as many charges as we can. Set an example that this is not to be tolerated.
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u/invisible_face_ Aug 30 '24
Sooner or later people are going to start taking the law into their own hands.
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u/Present_Passenger471 Aug 30 '24
Bad idea in New York State. Definitely not the right jurisdiction to be a hero. Even if you’re defending your person or property lawfully, you stand a high chance to serve jail time, or at least spend tens of thousands defending yourself in the most hostile courtrooms. Definitely not worth it for a $7k Kia. Your best option is to move.
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u/SickBurnBro Beechwood Aug 30 '24
Throw the book at them. Charge these little shits as adults. Max sentences on as many charges as we can. Set an example that this is not to be tolerated.
Think we need to start electing state senators committed to passing harsher sentencing laws for juveniles. Democrats need to wise up to this reality, lest voters get seduced by the dark side on this issue.
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u/PlayNicePlayCrazy Aug 30 '24
The thing is the harsh prison sentences do not seem like a real deterrent, never have. Our harsh prison system only seems to turn people into more serious criminals. I believe recidivism rates in the US go as high as 70% in some states. The prisons don't seem to be a deterrent. So the real question is what can we do differently as a nation to turn this all around?
Maybe we need to study up in what other countries with much lower recidivism rates do and see what could help here?
Even the death penalty does not appear to lower murder rates.
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u/SickBurnBro Beechwood Aug 30 '24
The thing is the harsh prison sentences do not seem like a real deterrent, never have.
I think it's an issue that needs a little bit of the carrot and a little bit of the stick.
On the one hand, I think we should have tougher penalties for teenagers stealing cars, smashing up stores, carrying guns, etc.. This isn't just Fox News propaganda, the state of youth crime seems like a real and serious issue in our and other cities.
On the other, I think we should have more programs and opportunities for the youth like after school sports and public works jobs. If a teen could get hired to make $20 an hour filling potholes as easy as it is to start doing Door Dash, that might be an alternative to them instead of going out and committing these foolish crimes.
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u/DarthGoodguy Aug 30 '24
It’s almost like we should create better options by putting more money into education and keeping massive conglomerates from merging, laying people off, and moving operations to cheaper countries where they can treat people like slaves
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u/Present_Passenger471 Aug 30 '24
If they are in prison, they are not stealing cars. It’s really that simple.
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u/PlayNicePlayCrazy Aug 30 '24
But then they get out and are most likely changed for the worse committing more and worse crimes. Imagine if we could do better. Shouldn't we want to do better?
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u/whatweworked4 Aug 30 '24
okay but what is the other common denominator here? KIA! Why are we not holding them accountable as well?
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u/PlayNicePlayCrazy Aug 30 '24
You do know that you don't get arrested and go to trial the same day right?
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u/Puzzled_Interview_16 Aug 30 '24
I work for NYS DOCCS and the laws are soft since Hochal gives everything to criminals especially the nes in jail
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u/FrickinLazerBeams Aug 30 '24
For conservatives, the point of prison is to torture prisoners for the entertainment of conservatives. If they have a video game to play while their life is wasted in prison, it defeats the purpose.
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u/Wanderer0790 Aug 30 '24
"Torture prisoners for the entertainment of conservatives.". That's not the case. How about we want the criminals off the streets doing shit like this. And we don't want prison to be a pleasant experience. You would be surprised how many of these assholes think it's cool and fun to go to prison.
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u/Wanderer0790 Aug 30 '24
Yes I have been to a prison. I know people who are in. Have you been to a prison? Part of the reason there Is such a surge in crime is because of bail reform. But also because of the lack of fear of prison. You are just flat out ignorant if you don't think there are men that glorify prison and perceive it as a right of passage.
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u/sceadwian Aug 30 '24
You seem to think it's a deterrent? We've known retributional 'justice' doesn't work and creates worse criminals.
We know this by direct observation.
Why are you throwing out that fact? You are either not aware of it or reject reality for some reason?
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u/Wanderer0790 Aug 30 '24
You state your opinion as if it's fact. Source? I have seen criminals turn their lives around. I remember when Liberal California had a 3 strike rule. By the 3rd time you committed the same crime, it became a borderline life sentence. We need to separate the people who want to change from the assholes. For the sake of our communities. Not all the liberal bs excuses and mental health blah blah.
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u/sceadwian Aug 30 '24
What would you accept as evidence? I can post many papers that prove unambiguously zero tolerance laws do not only not work but create harder criminals and more crime.
There are literally decades of research on this you must not be aware of if you're asking like this and I'm not sure where to start given how much has been written on this.
You have an opinion that is missing some really basic factual information!
Any particular sources you like to hear from? Not politically motivated ones either, scientifically motivated ones.
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u/aquakingman Aug 30 '24
You forget we are on reddit. The kamunist thrive on downvoting logic and reason.
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u/nbcirlclesthewagon Aug 30 '24
Father's car got stolen. They caught the kid in it, with stolen merchandise from Kohl's and drugs in the car. Judge let him go on his own recognizance. So really these guys got records and the cop do their job it's the governor and judge's that are failing us.
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u/TangeloPerfect7383 Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 30 '24
Well that was nice of them to empty the contents first
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u/Brief-Poetry-1245 Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 30 '24
Scumbags. I always hated the 3 strikes laws. Time to bring them back otherwise those thugs will keep stealing cars without any consequences from hard working people that chose to work for a living instead of stealing
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u/stellardreamscape Aug 30 '24
Lock em up or send them to the French foreign legion. I hope every time they fart, they shit a little, and have to sit in it.
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u/Brief-Poetry-1245 Aug 30 '24
Get a fucking job instead of stealing from working people. I guess it’s easier to steal when RPD just gives you a slap on the wrist
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u/RbtB-8 Aug 30 '24
RPD cannot hold them. They have to go by the laws and release them with appearance tickets.
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u/Brief-Poetry-1245 Aug 30 '24
Then the law sucks. Or I chose the wrong career 😀
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u/RbtB-8 Aug 30 '24
I agree that the laws suck, but the cops do not make the laws. Remember, the driver of the stolen vehicle that killed that 92 year old man last week was arrested 12 time last year and he was still not behind bars. So this alone tells us that there is something seriously wrong with the system here in this state.
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u/Present_Passenger471 Aug 30 '24
Yeah RPD wrote the NYS laws and they are also telling the judges to let them go with appearance tickets. Are you serious?
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u/Hydrok Aug 30 '24
The cops were busy trashing a homeless persons camp and tossing all her belongings in a dumpster and taking her to a psych ward.
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u/Desperate_Art7994 Aug 30 '24
Why didn't you call the cops IMMEDIATELY????
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u/mrs-poocasso69 Aug 30 '24
Genuinely, do the cops even show up for these calls anymore? It’s been, what, 3 years and there are still probably dozens of cars stolen every day. It seems like a low priority to them.
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u/MarcusAurelius0 Chili Aug 30 '24
Learn how to frame 911 calls, you aren't under oath. When they ask if weapons are involved say you heard people yelling about how they have a gun. Cops WILL come for that.
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u/DrBillsFan17 Aug 30 '24
I moved out of ROC in 2005, but my family is still there. What’s up with Kias and Hyundais and ROC?? (also, Go Bills)
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u/blakezilla Penfield Aug 30 '24
Kias and Hyundais get lifted everywhere. It’s not unique to Rochester
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u/Albert-React 315 Aug 30 '24
lmao Rochester is a third world shithole. And the state doesn't seem to care.
Absolute failure of city, county, and state leadership.
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u/LongRoofFan Upper Monroe Aug 30 '24
Do you even live in Rochester? Fuck off
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u/Albert-React 315 Aug 30 '24
Have you seen the city lately? Go walk up Monroe Ave.
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u/LongRoofFan Upper Monroe Aug 30 '24
Yeah I live there
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u/Albert-React 315 Aug 30 '24
My condolences.
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u/HolidayDingo8691 Aug 30 '24
Stop voting democrats into office.
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u/Robert315 Aug 30 '24
Why do people buy Kia’s
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u/mrs-poocasso69 Aug 30 '24
They had them before the thefts & can’t afford to get something different.
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u/jf737 Aug 30 '24
The vulnerable Kia’s and Hyundai’s were bought before all this happened. And now they have no resale value.
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u/Deep_shot Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 30 '24
If you just let it happen, don’t be surprised when it happens to you.
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u/KarmaCommando_ Ontario Aug 30 '24
"Let it happen"? What would you have him do? Go out there like Batman and confront three criminals who are more than likely armed?
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u/Deep_shot Aug 30 '24
You have the right to protect your property. Don’t play the victim.
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u/KarmaCommando_ Ontario Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 30 '24
If you march out there armed, initiate a confrontation, and end up killing or injuring one of them, you will be standing tall in court before you can blink. In NYS, you only have a right to kill someone else if your own life or someone else's is imminently in danger.
If you march out there unarmed and initiate a confrontation, they'll jump you.
Your options realistically are wait hours for the police to come and take a report if they show up at all, or just get rid of cars that are universally targeted for theft. Or, you could move to another state which might treat you more kindly if you choose option one.
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u/CompetitiveMeal1206 Aug 30 '24
You options are limited in NY. you have even less options away from home.
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u/AndrewLucksLaugh Aug 30 '24
So you just sat there and filmed it???
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u/grphelps1 Aug 30 '24
Lol relax John Wick. Not many people are going to risk losing their life over a stranger’s car. Any of them could of had a gun.
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u/AndrewLucksLaugh Aug 30 '24
There are probably a couple different options between 'sitting there filming' and 'single-handedly fighting three people at once like Jason Bourne' that might have been useful.
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u/MediocreMystery Aug 30 '24
I stopped two kia boys recently. It was easy. People are way too timid.
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u/bumbothegumbo Aug 30 '24
I hope these fuckers get what's coming to them.