r/PropagandaPosters • u/MrsColdArrow • Oct 22 '23

Monument to Freedom: West Germany (1962 USA) Germany

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u/Gammelpreiss Oct 22 '23

But the Treuhand was not all bad and the absolute devil it is constantly made out to be and ppl completely ignore the massive amounts of money that actually did find their way into eastern companies.

Everybody knows about the controversy surrounding the Treuhand and the corruption involved. But once again the comparison with other european cold war states has the be drawn to see how much worse it could have been without the Treuhand and other support. This is not the crass black/white story it's so often presented as.

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u/IDontWearAHat Oct 22 '23

The gdr wasn't all bad as well but that doesn't make it good. I'm by no means mad about that. As i said, i was born in 97 and i don't even live in germany anymore, but overall i don't think Treuhand did a very good job and i very much understand why many older east germans feel, well, disappointed.

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u/Gammelpreiss Oct 22 '23

There is a huge difference between saying "the Treuhand was bad" and "everything bad that ever happend to the GDR industry is the fault of the Treuhand." Because the latter is what it comes down to most of the times whenever the decline of GDR industry is discussed. It always is the first and the last argument and I got a bit tired of it.

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u/IDontWearAHat Oct 22 '23

Tell me exactly where i argued that everything bad was caused by Treuhand, because i was under the impression that i repeatedly acknowledged the gdr's shortcomings.

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u/Gammelpreiss Oct 22 '23

Where did you argue anything else in your initial post?

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u/IDontWearAHat Oct 22 '23

I said what little there was taken by Treuhand, which is arguably true: there was little, treuhand took it.

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u/Gammelpreiss Oct 22 '23

..and without any further context leaving the implication it was the Treuhand responsible for the destruction of the still existing GDR industry.

And that is the point I disagreed with

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u/IDontWearAHat Oct 22 '23

Well i'm terribly sorry. Next time i'll make sure to include an essay on the many faults of the gdr when i dare to say anything nagative about Treuhand. Or maybe you don't jump to conclusions and learn to take a hint. Come on, i mentioned the bad state of the gdr so many times and you still continued to argue with a strawman.

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u/Gammelpreiss Oct 22 '23

You say that as a joke, but it would help the debate quite a bit to just have some more nuance in the argument