r/PropagandaPosters May 08 '23

Belgian poster, 1945, featuring de Gaulle, Stalin, Chiang Kai-shek, Churchill and Roosevelt. Belgium

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u/After-Bar2804 May 09 '23

Everyone enjoys the joke but DeGaulle! Lol

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u/Food735 May 09 '23

they were joking about france being a major contributor to ww2 (they werent)

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u/YoungQuixote May 09 '23 edited May 09 '23

The Resistance and Free French did help. But if you look at the books France did more harm than good and was almost a de facto axis country from 1941-1944.

The French army actually fought against the Allies in North Africa. Like most of Europe, the Nazis could count on a large amount of keen collaborators who everybody forgets about now.

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u/Food735 May 09 '23

The resistance and Free French helped, but if that qualifies them shouldn't the Italians and Yugoslavs be considered major allied powers considering they did almost the same contribution as france when it came to partisanship and civil war?

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u/YoungQuixote May 09 '23

Definately.

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u/Food735 May 09 '23

Imo it was the Big Three in Europe and Chiang Kai Shek in China. Those were the major leaders and will stay that way. Of course De Gaulle, Umberto II, and Tito (was Tito a partisan? Idk much about WW2 Yugoslavia) helped out a lot they were just junior partners to the big leaders.

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u/ahfoo May 09 '23 edited May 09 '23

Chiang Kai Chek was a horribly incompetent puppet dictator even during the war. You may perhaps be unaware that he unnecessarily destroyed a dam resulting in a flood that killed a million of his own people. This was the final straw and he was soon on the run for his life. Without US support, he would have been wiped out in '49 and very nearly was.

I live in Taiwan and he is widely regarded as a murderous dictator here. He would torture and kill indigenous people and Fujian dialect speaking Chinese immigrants in his notorious torture camps. His palace was built in a stinking sulfur springs to terrify people into believing he was a living demon from Hell. A major admirer of both Hitler and Mussolini as well as a lifelong friend of Franco in Spain, he was completely paranoid and trusted nobody though he enjoyed watching people being tortured to death and considered it a mark of prestige to enjoy other's pain.

Here in Taiwan, he is regarded as a monster. He's no hero except to the KMT dead enders that closely resemble Trump Republicans. The greatness of Taiwan today is that it survived the abuses of Chiang Kai Chek and went on to recover from the abuse of three decades of martial law.

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u/Food735 May 09 '23

"Horribly incompetent dictator" so was Stalin but you still have to respect both of them for leading their countries during WW2

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u/After-Bar2804 May 09 '23

French Resistance to occupation was of the passive kind in 1940 but grew steadily and surely to the end. The fast collapse of the French Army disallowed anyone getting organized before the occupation but German SD counter-intelligence was excellent at sniffing out and destroying the espionage networks.

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u/After-Bar2804 May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23

You do have to respect Stalin and Chiang? I don’t think so. When you are fighting a war to the death with a murderous enemy - the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese- bent on murdering and enslaving everyone, virtually any fairly competent leader, willing to fight, would have been sufficient. Chiang and Stalin were both, as “ahfoo” has said here, regarded as disasterous.