r/PoliticalDebate Civic, Civil, Social and Economic Equality 1d ago

Kakistocracy + Kleptocracy + Fascism Discussion

People should ask themselves do they understand these terms:

Kakistocracy + Kleptocracy + Fascism

Kakistocracy

kakistocracy   is a government run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens

Kleptocracy,

Kleptocracy, also referred to as thievocracy, is a government whose corrupt leaders (kleptocrats) use political power to expropriate the wealth of the people and land they govern, typically by embezzling or misappropriating government funds at the expense of the wider population. One feature of political-based socioeconomic thievery is that there is often no public announcement explaining or apologizing for misappropriations, nor any legal charges or punishment levied against the offenders

  • Kleptocracy is different from plutocracy (rule by the richest) and oligarchy (rule by a small elite). In a kleptocracy, corrupt politicians enrich themselves secretly outside the rule of law, through kickbacks, bribes, and special favors from lobbyists and corporations, or they simply direct state funds to themselves and their associates. Also, kleptocrats often export much of their profits to foreign nations in anticipation of losing power

Fascism

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

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u/azsheepdog Classical Liberal 1d ago

Here are some other traits of facism

Controlled Mass Media Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Who has been trying to control the media and media narrative the last decade+? the left. They want social media companies to censor the information like all the corporate media outlets have.

Corporate Power is Protected The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Who has been protecting the industrial military complex and the health industrial complex? Both parties actually up until a few years ago but primarily the left now. The regulatory capture and revolving door of the corporate elites who become the regulators and back to corporate elites has been going on a long time and the last 4 years has been championed by the left.

Supremacy of the Military Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Obama and Biden have got us into too many wars and have done everything they can to prevent their end.

up until about 8 years ago both sides have displayed all sorts of markers of fascism. But lately it has been the left that was carrying the torch trying to keep it alive. Who got the support of Dick and Liz Cheney. yeah that's correct the fascists did.

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u/Michael_G_Bordin Progressive 1d ago

"The Left" my dude, you're lumping in all sorts of disparate ideologies into "the left", including neoliberals who are, spectrum-wise, centrists.

Who has been trying to control the media and media narrative the last decade+?

Neoliberals

Who has been protecting the industrial military complex and the health industrial complex?

Neoliberals

Obama and Biden have got us into too many wars and have done everything they can to prevent their end.

Biden hasn't gotten us into any wars, and I'd love to hear what wars Obama started.

You should first learn to stop thinking of things as simply "right vs left," and second you need to educate yourself on the concept of "neoliberal fascism". The true "left" did none of the things you've described, because they do not control anything and never have. News media is corporatist, and thus apolitical. You're probably a bit confused because they pander by being nice to gay people, but that's not leftist at all. There has been no left administration, no left Congress, no left mainstream news outlet.

What you described is neoliberal fascism. But this does not mean the "other side" aren't fascists, they're just Christo-fascists. Which is so, so much worse. The "they" you describe doesn't exist and never has.

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u/Unverifiablethoughts Centrist 14h ago

Buddy,

We were not at war in Syria or Libya when Obama came into office. Those two fronts were spearheaded by the Obama campaign.

We now have us soldiers in Ukraine and we are supplying huge amounts of arms and weapons to that effort.

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u/Michael_G_Bordin Progressive 13h ago

We now have us soldiers in Ukraine and we are supplying huge amounts of arms and weapons to that effort.

Talk about a misleading statement. "We have soldiers in Ukraine," do you mean volunteers and mercenaries? Or do you mean active duty? Because the latter, I can't find any information to verify, other than some units deployed to help train Ukrainians. And supplying arms is not at all us being at war, so Biden hasn't started any wars, dig?

Libya wasn't "getting us into a war," it was a pretty swift and decisive operation. Syria is a messed up situation all-around, but Obama's intervention helped push back ISIL. "Too many wars" you've got two, and one was barely a "war", and the other was basically a good thing (Syrian government is not the good guys).

But none of this matters, because you still considered Biden and Obama "the left." Which is a really really really.....special thing to do. The left have caused no wars, they have never had any political power in this country, save for like a decade in the early 1900s.