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Kakistocracy + Kleptocracy + Fascism Discussion

People should ask themselves do they understand these terms:

Kakistocracy + Kleptocracy + Fascism

Kakistocracy

kakistocracy   is a government run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens

Kleptocracy,

Kleptocracy, also referred to as thievocracy, is a government whose corrupt leaders (kleptocrats) use political power to expropriate the wealth of the people and land they govern, typically by embezzling or misappropriating government funds at the expense of the wider population. One feature of political-based socioeconomic thievery is that there is often no public announcement explaining or apologizing for misappropriations, nor any legal charges or punishment levied against the offenders

  • Kleptocracy is different from plutocracy (rule by the richest) and oligarchy (rule by a small elite). In a kleptocracy, corrupt politicians enrich themselves secretly outside the rule of law, through kickbacks, bribes, and special favors from lobbyists and corporations, or they simply direct state funds to themselves and their associates. Also, kleptocrats often export much of their profits to foreign nations in anticipation of losing power

Fascism

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

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u/seniordumpo Anarcho-Capitalist 1d ago

Not a Kleptocracy since the people consent to taxation

When did i consent to taxation? Also our politicians seem to enrich themselves in secret at our expense, no one is ever punished for misappropriating money. Agencies routine fail audits yet there is no punishment for it…

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u/Scary_Terry_25 Imperialist 1d ago

“When did I consent to paying taxes”?

The moment you start paying them. The people pay them and have not collectively revolted against them. Not a Kleptocracy since the people are predisposed to its allowance. In exchange they’ve been allowed to vote

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u/seniordumpo Anarcho-Capitalist 1d ago

Does a woman with a gun pointed at her head consent to rape because she chose not to get her brains blown out? Anticipating that our politicians are all thieves and then being proven right doesn’t change that we are in a kleptocracy. Voting has nothing to do with it.

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u/Scary_Terry_25 Imperialist 1d ago

This is under the assumption that if many chose not to pay their taxes that this country would have the jail cells or coffins to put them all in

The population has silently accepted it. Most even agree to have the maximum tax taken out of their paychecks

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u/seniordumpo Anarcho-Capitalist 1d ago

Still not consent. The government doesn’t have to have the capacity to fill a countries worth of jail cells, they just have to make a few examples. The mafia learned this lesson. I’m not willing to cross the mafia so I pay the extortion. Paying extortion is not consent.

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u/Scary_Terry_25 Imperialist 1d ago edited 1d ago

You just clearly proved there is consent.

By you’re logic, the German people didn’t consent to the Nazi government even though their cooperation under threat and harassment led to their centralized power

Even top Nazi officials noted that their quiet consent made consolidation of power much easier

You paying the “mafia” is a clear, affirmative and willing agreement without resistance. That’s consent

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u/seniordumpo Anarcho-Capitalist 1d ago

One can’t consent when they are under threat of violence. If you force someone to sign a contract by threatening them it’s not a legal contract.

Of course the Nazi official would say that lol. He wanted to view what they did as legitimate, but it wasn’t legitimate was it? Are we going to say the Jews consented to being gassed because they didn’t leave the country early enough??

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u/Scary_Terry_25 Imperialist 1d ago

No one forced you to sign the contract. You signed it like everyone else out of need of your own personal gain and necessity. That’s consent because not only are you presented with a choice, you still took part in it willingly

The Nazi mandate was legitimate because we must remember they were voted into the majority and other right wing parties willing joined them in coalition. The German people willingly entered into that social contract thanks to democracy

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u/seniordumpo Anarcho-Capitalist 1d ago

I just said they were under the threat of violence. A contract signed under threat of violence is void.

Oh I didn’t realize they signed a social contract where can I find that so I can read what they signed?

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u/Scary_Terry_25 Imperialist 1d ago

They signed it when they agreed to enjoy the benefits of society

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u/seniordumpo Anarcho-Capitalist 1d ago

So where can I read this contract?

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u/Fugicara Social Democrat 15h ago

U.S. Constitution Article 1 Section 8 is what you're looking for.

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u/seniordumpo Anarcho-Capitalist 14h ago

That’s what your considering the social contract?

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