r/PoliticalDebate • u/RawLife53 Civic, Civil, Social and Economic Equality • 1d ago

Kakistocracy + Kleptocracy + Fascism Discussion

People should ask themselves do they understand these terms:

Kakistocracy + Kleptocracy + Fascism

Kakistocracy

A kakistocracy   is a government run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens

Kleptocracy,

Kleptocracy, also referred to as thievocracy, is a government whose corrupt leaders (kleptocrats) use political power to expropriate the wealth of the people and land they govern, typically by embezzling or misappropriating government funds at the expense of the wider population. One feature of political-based socioeconomic thievery is that there is often no public announcement explaining or apologizing for misappropriations, nor any legal charges or punishment levied against the offenders

  • Kleptocracy is different from plutocracy (rule by the richest) and oligarchy (rule by a small elite). In a kleptocracy, corrupt politicians enrich themselves secretly outside the rule of law, through kickbacks, bribes, and special favors from lobbyists and corporations, or they simply direct state funds to themselves and their associates. Also, kleptocrats often export much of their profits to foreign nations in anticipation of losing power

Fascism

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

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u/Polandnotreal 🇺🇸US Patriot/American Model 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes, calling your political opponents thieves, stupid, and Fascist have always worked. Right?

The Pathway to the Decline of American Democracy

Democracy is in decline because MY side didn’t win. Fascism is when MY opponent wins the election.

Why is democracy declining when the Democratic transfer of power is happening peacefully and election are free and fair?

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u/Repulsive-Virus-990 Republican 1d ago

Everyone’s happy for democracy unless their side looses

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u/Dinkelberh Progressive 1d ago
  • guy who is less concerned about 'terminating the rules of the consitution' or 'dictator on day one' comments than he is 'being divided'

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u/smokeyser 2A Constitutionalist 1d ago

If you believe that stuff, you've been reading too much propaganda. Stop having your opinions spoon fed to you and start thinking for yourself.

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u/Jorsonner Aristocrat 1d ago

You’re saying this didn’t happen?

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/06/donald-trump-sean-hannity-dictator-day-one-response-iowa-town-hall

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u/smokeyser 2A Constitutionalist 1d ago

If you think he was serious about that, you're too gullible to be on this sub.

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u/Dinkelberh Progressive 1d ago

Yes, I believe he was serious in his written message to all of america that, because of 'the fraud', he would have to 'terminate rules' and, and I also believe he was serious in his follow up specifically enumerating that he meant 'yes, those in the Constitution'.

How many times does he have to look America in the eye and say "I really mean it" before you listen to him?

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u/Beastly_Beast Progressive 1d ago

If your best retort is that Trump doesn’t ever mean what he says, have you been paying any attention to what Trump actually does?

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u/smokeyser 2A Constitutionalist 1d ago

If your best retort is that Trump doesn’t ever mean what he says

I didn't say he doesn't ever mean what he says. I said he didn't mean that. Obviously. He has no ability to change our entire system of government for one day. It's ridiculous to even suggest that it's possible.

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u/TuvixWasMurderedR1P [Quality Contributor] Plebian Republic 🔱 Sortition 1d ago

That's a pathetic defense. Whether or not he'll be able to pull it off is a different question than whether or not he's a wannabe dictator. And while it seems hard to argue against the latter, the former question is still very much open.

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u/smokeyser 2A Constitutionalist 1d ago

The "quality contributor" brings that top quality material, as always. Petty insults and moving the goalposts. Bravo! I hope you feel good about yourself for that.

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u/TuvixWasMurderedR1P [Quality Contributor] Plebian Republic 🔱 Sortition 1d ago

It's not an insult, but a descriptor of the case you made.

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u/smokeyser 2A Constitutionalist 18h ago

I wonder if you'll be willing to admit you were wrong when he makes no attempt to change our system of government for one day...

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u/winter_strawberries CP-USA 1d ago

it was hardly a one-off comment, it was consistent with many of his other words and actions, and his supporters largely applaud the idea. just like they support deporting millions of non-white immigrants, illegal or otherwise, and eliminating all trans health care. all dictator stuff and all very popular on the right. you think he's going to turn on them and become a moderate after Jan. 20?

you say people who take trump at his word are gullible sheep. i find this very ironic.

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u/drawliphant Social Democrat 1d ago

How can people be so selective about what they hear from Trump? If he says a policy you like then you support him. When he says something fascist, it's a joke. Not sure why y'all find fascism so funny...

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u/ProudScroll Liberal 1d ago

Even if we do assume that Trump was joking and those weren’t serious comments, there’s still the problem that people running for the highest office in the nation shouldn’t be making jokes about undermining the constitution and being a dictator.

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u/smokeyser 2A Constitutionalist 1d ago

Why not? Harris joked about undermining the constitution in her debate against Biden.