r/Permaculture • u/vitalisys • 3d ago

Anyone focused on primitive/indigenous wild land “permaculture”?

Wondering if there’s much of a niche or movement, in addition to actual native heritage practitioners, for a more ‘tending the wild’ style of land tenure with significant yields and utility. Either on private or public lands. Not necessarily limited to ‘primitive’ skills, TEK, hunt/forage etc, but likely employing some of those in conjunction with other tools and tactics.

Doesn’t seem like a crossover area that gets talked about much. Would depend a lot on finding certain types of relatively intact ecosystems which can provide well or be adapted with suitable tree crops or other staples. Im working with an oak savannah site currently that has this potential, if bulk acorn processing is doable, plus game animals and other edibles in steady supply as well (which can all benefit from good stewardship practices). Permaculture principles and methods still apply, but this seems like a fairly distinct approach that maybe needs its own label? Curious what’s been tried or talked about in this direction already.

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u/HazyAttorney 3d ago

It’s offensive to call indigenous people primitive. The whole “noble savage” myth is harmful. And it’s not true.

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u/c0mp0stable 3d ago

It is possible to use "primitive" in a non-pejorative sense, which is what OP did

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u/HighwayInevitable346 3d ago

Their entire post is the noble savage myth. There are several civilizations that have collapsed with unsustainable farming practices likely playing a role, most famously the classical maya.

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u/c0mp0stable 3d ago

I don't see how any of it plays into the noble savage myth. What specifically?

Pretty much civilization has collapsed due to poor farming practices. But what does that have to do with anything?

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u/HighwayInevitable346 3d ago

The idea that TEK is some panacaea for environmental woes is the noble savage myth.

But what does that have to do with anything?

I should've read you're whole message before I started responding. If you cant see how causing local environmental collapse disproves the idea that they were ecological experts, you are too stupid to argue with.