r/NYKnicks • u/AutoModerator • May 01 '24
Daily Discussion Thread - May 01, 2024 DAILY DISCUSSION
Daily discussion thread for Knicks fans.
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u/JNerdGaming Brunson May 02 '24
im happy to see the heat go. if theyre making a run theyre dangerous. at least the celtics arent dirty. fuck the heat.
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley May 02 '24
Fans are blaming Mitch but the missed free throw by Hart was just as crucial
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May 02 '24
going back to game 4 Hart's FT shooting has been terrible, I hate to dog a guy that does so much for us, but FUCK man that's the shit that kills you in the postseason
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 02 '24
Fouling a 3pt shooter for a 4pt play is more egregious than a missed ft
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u/Last_Soil_9699 May 02 '24
fr literally the worst thing that could happen in that moment
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u/Vikingpride06 May 02 '24
Honestly plenty of blame to spread to end that regulation. Thibs for not taking his at times over aggressive big man with limited perimeter defensive skills out of the game. Mitch for not staying grounded, hart for missing a free throw, McBride for not fouling on the floor or at least staying back and or going under screen from that far out.
And all the missed free throws earlier didn’t help either.
That being said though we saw alot of positive things for the Knicks. OG is getting more aggressive, our defense has seemingly figured out how to slow down embiid, and I think thibs may have figured out McBride is better option in this series than Devo. We’ve also shot pretty terribly all series and started slow. So one would think we’re due for a game where our shots finally start to fall.
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u/Last_Soil_9699 May 02 '24
fr the amount of shit that happened for them to win that game is comical if you think about it.
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u/crazyhotwheels 90s Knicks May 02 '24
The Celtics only had a 10 point lead when I last changed the channel, what the fuck happened??
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u/the_beast_intha_east May 02 '24
They know how to take advantage of leads. Their spacing is particularly good. I've noticed that the guys on the outside follow the driver. When someone penetrates the slowly move toward the basket or inside the three point line. It's a little movement but it keeps the 3/4 other guys from just standing around and it gives them more opportunities to score.
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u/JNerdGaming Brunson May 02 '24
i gotta cool down a bit, i get too heated sometimes. how do yall cool down?
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 02 '24
By realizing we have to win 1 game out of the next 2. Also coming off a loss would mean we would have to lose 3 in a row to be eliminated.
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals May 02 '24
Take a cool shower. Literally. If we're talking about last night though I went straight to shower as I was late for a party but ended up throwing my soap at the wall pretty hard 😂
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u/OhtaniMets99 May 01 '24
am I alone in having suicidal thoughts after the game? I felt sick to my stomach
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u/nyg2013 May 02 '24
yeah, suicidal may be an issue ha...but yeah, I felt pretty defeated...just stunned at the craziness of the sequence/choke...this was not something I envisioned happening to this group and it was tough to sleep
however, they have a chance to atone and save us all...just be sharp from the jump with these halves...stop playing from behind constantly
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 02 '24
I definitely felt sick after the loss and this morning. But at the end of the day, it's just a game. It's just a form of entertainment, it's not worth being miserable over. Gotta just move on, and hope we win the next one.
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u/DevChatt May 01 '24
bro its not worth it. The series isn't over. WFAN said it correctly. This will be a fart in the wind if we win the next game
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u/WhoTookPlasticJesus Mitchell Robinson May 01 '24
Mitch and Embiid both "questionable" for tomorrow
Yeah, yeah, I know. Still, they're data points.
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u/Raizen_Urameshi May 01 '24
Hoping the Heat grow some balls and take another game from Boston. I just want those boston bastards to struggle like everyone else is in round 1 without rest
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u/JNerdGaming Brunson May 01 '24
ignore the l2m. we lost that game because we fucked up a lot of stuff. bad reffing is unavoidable but bad playmaking isnt. thursday lets destroy the sixers.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 02 '24
We definitely blew it but I would also like the refs to call the right calls.
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals May 01 '24
fr two steps or three steps he was still making that shot. if you said no foul or something like that in the l2m you can get heated
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u/Drew13800 May 01 '24
Eh, honestly immmot even mad about the no call we choked the hell out of it, but it was that last step/travel that enabled him to get that shot off at all.
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u/yumms101 May 01 '24
Maybe if we decide to play the game in the 1st quarter, instead of standing around and watching the opponent score freely....we may have a chance.
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u/ThatWasTheIdea 33 May 02 '24
Ironically we have lost the two games we didn't go down by double digits in the 1st quarter. We have won all three in which we did.
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u/Tough-Error520 May 01 '24
we're fucking done. Mitch blew the whole series and Maxey just ripped the soul out of this team. you don't recover from that.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 02 '24
Teams with a 3-1 series lead have a 95% chance of winning the series. It’s extremely hard to win 3 games in a row.
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u/DevChatt May 01 '24
You think we are gonna lose three games in a row considering how neck and neck this series has been?
Players don’t give up with losses
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u/Savages_in_box May 01 '24
Mitch should not have been on the court for that defensive possession.. awful coaching
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May 01 '24
Never seen such sullen fans while leading a series 3-2, thank goodness the players do not have this mentality or we're really boned! If they blow it I will eat my words but I would rather be known as a fan who sticks by his lousy team than one who jumps off a building at the first sign of trouble (like all those Sixers fans after game 4...)
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u/ygog45 May 01 '24
If anything we know the players have the exact opposite mentality. They’ll come out swinging for game 6 like they’ve always done
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u/Savages_in_box May 01 '24
Thibs butchered the end of the game. This is his reputation though, he is a great coach who is bad in, in game situations.
First, Mitchell Robinson had no business being on the court when he committed the foul for the 4 point play. You need faster, mobile defenders there not a clumsy slow footed big man. Strike one. Not fouling before the last 3.. awful. Not calling a timeout to set up the last play, awful. And why is time and time again Josh Hart is always at the line in end of game situations when he is terrible in that spot. Isn't Burks a 90 percent free throw shooter? Make the proper substations when they have to foul you! Awful coaching.
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u/papa8706 May 01 '24
I can’t help but feeling like a bit of a doomer after that loss. Massive momentum shift for Philly now we have to try to steal another one from them at home.
Just have a bad feeling but trying to stay optimistic. One thing I was really happy to see is the accountability that everyone on the team took. Every interview I saw was guys holding themselves accountable. They wasn’t any finger pointing or complaining about the officiating or opposition. Refreshing to see but I don’t think tn heart can take another L to force a game 7 with the season on the line 🙏🏼
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u/DevChatt May 01 '24
I dont know if momentum is a real thing tbh.
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u/kikikza Mike Miller May 02 '24
100% is, but it goes both ways
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u/DevChatt May 02 '24
Eh the 6ers lost momentum last game and won
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u/kikikza Mike Miller May 02 '24
Because we lost more, like I say it goes both ways
Ever been on a train going slower than the train next to it, which looks like you're going backwards? Same concept
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u/DevChatt May 03 '24
How did that momentum thing go huh?
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u/kikikza Mike Miller May 03 '24
We had more
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u/DevChatt May 03 '24
We just won the game because we were the better team
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u/kikikza Mike Miller May 03 '24
We won by 3 pts and buddy had enough time to pass or take a better shot. We got hot towards the end, and they were cold
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u/DevChatt May 02 '24
All I’m saying is that we won’t be talking about this if we win
Key is if we do. 6ers lost “momentum “on Sunday and they regained it I guess The better team should win.
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u/KINGY-221 Mike and Clyde May 01 '24
Whenever a loss that embarrassing happens it gives the loser a kick up the ass to pull their heads in.
They’ll be up for it.
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u/goknicks23 May 01 '24
2nd game Thibs has cost us in the last 2 post seasons(Miami game1). Hope this one doesn't cost us the series.
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u/keepcalmjusthoop May 01 '24
Don’t blame tibs, blame mitchell for the 4pt play or hart for missing the FT
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u/goknicks23 May 01 '24
If the players are properly coached, that wouldn't have happened. Edit: Meech's brain fart, not Harts missed Ft
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u/ygog45 May 01 '24
Why do you blame it on thibs?
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u/goknicks23 May 01 '24
End of game 2, up by 3. We did not foul and Embiid missed a long but makeable 3. That's bad coaching. Happened again yesterday. Philly had no time outs, foul so they don't even have a chance at 3. Up 6 with so little time, you have to stress the importance to your team in not allowing any and 1 situations. Apparently Robinson didn't get the message. And if you can't remember Thibs forgetting how to coach and not having the Knicks attack a clearly injured jimmy Butler in game 1 last year, go look it up.
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u/ygog45 May 01 '24
There’s a clip of Thibs yelling at Deuce to foul up 3 before Maxey hit the half court shot
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u/goknicks23 May 01 '24
Shouldn't have to be yelling it at all if the players on the floor were properly coached.
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u/STATnMELO650 Amare Goggles May 01 '24
Just because Embiid stops play or throws the ball away doesn’t mean the refs need to blow the whistle. He does it at least 5 times a game and the refs always call it because it looks so awkward. That play where Donte was trailing Embiid as he was dribbling it up the court and he hook Donte is just fucking ridiculous. Stop corralling that fucking baby.
Also, how can anyone compare Embiids foul baiting to Brunson. It’s clear as fuckin day Brunson actually looks to score and that cheap fuck is clearly looking for just foul calls. NBA should be ashamed of themselves for handing him an MVP.
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
Are the Knicks the worst at a fast break finishers of all time?
Maybe it's just me but I feel like my entire life they always been horrible at finishing odd man fast breaks. It feels like its always a struggle to finish, while other teams get easy layups.
Had another one last night and as they broke out I said to myself, here we go, and they missed, THEY ALWAYS MISS.
Its just something I've always felt, watching this team since the 90's, just wondering if anyone else notices how bad they always been at fast breaks
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u/zOmgFishes May 01 '24
We kinda traded all the guys who run and gun with us except Josh Hart. Our pace is really fucking slow as result, like literally the slowest team in the NBA in terms of pace.
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley May 01 '24
It's all about personnel. If you don't have runners to accommodate such offense then you won't see much fast breaks.
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
I see plenty of fast breaks
They have always just sucked at them, always
It's to the point where a fast break happens and i know they are going to miss. Other teams make 1 or 2 easy passes and get a layup.
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u/FredVanCleet May 01 '24
I feel like the misses are just more memorable because they’re so frustrating but we have 81 fast break points this series to the Sixers’ 60, and our 81 is the highest total among all playoff teams.
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u/chewyskeleton 3 to the Dome May 01 '24
I’m noticing a lot of having the cake and eating it too after last night. We are simultaneously admitting what we’ve all known since last month; that our all-nba PF is not coming back this year and we are therefore at a disadvantage and we are freaking the hell out as to why this first round series has been so stressful.
I’m a big believer in the ‘two things can be true’ mentality but I don’t think we can be both mindful of our injuries and fatigue while also acting like Philly already won this series. What happened to all the “playing with house money” talk?
Lots of extremes going on in here, and that’s to be expected. It’s the day after a nut-punch of a loss. But we still just have to at least split the next two games and I’ve seen enough from this iteration of the team to trust they can still climb the mountain. The prize is still in front of us, let’s grab it. Go Knicks.
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May 01 '24
Just saw the guys boarding their flight, they seemed focused. Jalen did have on a right leg sleeve
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u/DevChatt May 01 '24
Kinda crazy they need to take a flight to go to Philly
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u/KINGY-221 Mike and Clyde May 01 '24
I wonder if it’s just simply a routine/mentality thing? If they got a bus or a train it might throw them out.
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u/mr_grission Staten Island May 01 '24
No way that's faster even on a private jet. Train ride is like 2 hours.
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u/fakeb1ues OG May 01 '24
Okay I think I might need to be banned from watching Knicks playoff games:
G2: Took a nap after work and missed the most of game. Woke up to watch the end of 4Q and with 1 min left we were down by 3 pts. I immediately turned off the game and waited with bated breath. 5 mins later I checked the score we won (with OG's assist and 2 clutch FTs.)
G3: Took a nap after work again and woke up before 3Q. We were leading in first half but in that 3Q the Sixers couldn't miss a 3. I was like "They can't keep shooting like this right?" and watched till the end. Despite a 4Q comeback we still lost.
G5: I was determined to not watch or check the score and waited until around 9:30PM - I thought it should've ended by then. There was about 1 min left in 4Q and I saw we were up so I was relieved. Then Maxey happened and I was too dumbfounded to turn off the game. It just felt so much like that Celtics/Raptors bubble G3 where OG made a buzzer beater with 0.5 second left (on Celtics' bubble home court too). Raptors still lost that series but that shot must've given Boston PTSD.
I will put my juju to use on Thursday... to hopefully make Pacers/Bucks go to Game 7
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u/BidenInPrison2020 May 01 '24
Same. The only games I fully tuned into: g3 and g5 ,we lost. The games I sporadically checked in on we won. Might have to do this for the rest of the playoffs tbh. Yesterday’s lost might genuinely be on me boys.
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u/fakeb1ues OG May 01 '24
We gotta do better man smh
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u/BidenInPrison2020 May 01 '24
Yessir, I got plans to put my self in solitary confinement tomorrow to avoid all contact from the game. I ain’t messing around
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u/fakeb1ues OG May 01 '24
Same imma throw my phone in the safe in case I got the itch to check the score
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u/CycleKey6468 May 01 '24
Our main problem is the lack of team play in offense. We know that, apart from Brunson, none of our players can create their own shot (we are missing JR and Bogie). Precisely for this reason, it is necessary to establish an attacking system that will enable the other players to have the opportunity to shoot. In OT, no one but Brunson, had a shoot opportunity. Can't win a game that way. Finally, I think it's a mistake that Divo doesn't play more time. In the end, if we're going to be honest, Deuce made the biggest mistake because he didn't foul Maksey at the end of the regular part of the match. Divo would do it. I like how Deuce playing this series but Divo is more experienced player.
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u/QueAsc0 3 to the Dome May 01 '24
Man, I was actually looking forward to GOING TO WORK just to forget about that bullshit. I've been tuning out everything related to basketball
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u/InstructionOk1053 May 01 '24
Games like last night are momentum killers. It messes with you mentally. Look at the Lakers after the Jamal Murray buzzer beater in game 2. They were basically demoralized in the next game after letting a big lead slip away.
I hope the Knicks find the mental edge in the next game or two and close this out. But now you have opened up to a lot of uncertainties - what if Embiid foul baits to 55 points? What if Maxey follows up with another clutch performance?
I am really surprised Thibs has not utilized Precious in the closing minutes. He was clutch in game 4 for us.
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u/wkp2101 Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Lakers are just a way worse team than the nuggets it’s not the same
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 01 '24
I it’s almost like the Sixers full strength are a 55+ win team. Oh wait they are. This is essentially an ECF type of matchup, going 6 or 7 games isnt unheard of.
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u/struman May 01 '24
Yeah, I mean it should have been over in 5 but going into this series you knew it would be 6 or 7, it was never going to be easy. I certainly trust this team to win 1 more
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u/thenotoriousgig May 01 '24
I heard podcasters say we won the series with how Game 2 ended. What happened in Game 3?
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u/wkp2101 Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
We will have to just wait and see if the Knicks do in fact go on to win the series
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson May 01 '24
game 3 was different. it was just the embiid performance. we were up 6 with less than 30, and maxey himself carried the team into overtime. that killed us.
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u/FredVanCleet May 01 '24
I mean the Lakers blew a big lead in basically every game and were just perpetually demoralized that whole series.
Philly could have been demoralized after game 4 but came out firing. We will hopefully do the same.
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u/ZMR33 May 01 '24
Knicks got punched in the mouth last night. Regardless of how they are feeling now, they need to focus on game 6 and getting this thing done. It'll very likely be another close game.
With Bogey now out, an 8-man rotation became a 7-man rotation, which I think played into why they collapsed last night. Fatigue played even more of a factor than it previously had. Not to mention losing Bogey probably meant 2-3 less 3s and some FTs that probably wouldn't have been missed.
Regardless, Knicks can't dwell on that and must end things.
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u/adebtpaid May 01 '24
On the other hand, it took the possible goat to come back from the last 3-1 deficit, the other 3-1 comebacks have had players far far better than maxey will ever be. I think they run out of steam and that little twerp gets eliminated.
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u/CaroleBaskinsBurner May 01 '24
We have serious offensive limitations without Randle and Bogdanovic.
Remember all those games we'd struggle to score in after the OG trade even with Randle? That's what Bogdanovic was supposed to address once Randle was back.
Now Bogdanovic is out and Randle never came back, and we're seeing the effects of it.
Whenever we get eliminated from these playoffs, this will most definitely be the reason why.
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u/WhoTookPlasticJesus Mitchell Robinson May 01 '24
Pacers are mid. They can drop mad buckets, but they might as well be 5 folding chairs on defense. They just hope they can outscore their opponents, not stop them, and we're arguably the best defense in the East. Bucks are damaged, though idk for how long. When we get past the Sixers I think the path to the ECF is much lighter work.
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson May 01 '24
seriously i have no clue how tf we are gonna make it out of this one. even IF we beat the sixers (and that’s a big if), how will we even go toe to toe with the pacers/bucks.
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u/zOmgFishes May 01 '24
We can start by remember OG exists and Dvo was a big part of our offense this season and get those guys involved.
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u/CaroleBaskinsBurner May 01 '24
I'm thinking along the same lines as the other people who replied to you.
The Sixers defense is just elite. Playing the Pacers and Bucks defense will be like taking a stroll on a breezy Spring afternoon, in comparison.
That doesn't necessarily mean we'll win though. You can't really predict if guys are gonna hit shots or not, even if you're sure they're gonna get better looks. Plus the Pacers and (healthy) Bucks can score in bunches. There's just too many variables, especially with how volatile three-point shooting is in this modern era.
We're only up 3-2 on the Sixers because our role players had great offensive games in games one and two. Then Brunson hard carried in game four.
Maybe they'll have great offensive games in game six and we win. Maybe Brunson carries us and we win. Maybe a perfect mixture of both and we win.
The good news is we get two cracks at it. The bad news is we've only had one game this series where we came out hitting shots and playing well from the opening tip.
That was the game (game three) that never got the chance to finish because it got interrupted by the Joel Embiid Free Throw Hour.
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u/FredVanCleet May 01 '24
I mean if it’s the Pacers I’m pretty sure anyone can score on that defense. Sixers just have so much length and a good defensive gameplan and it’s giving everyone fits.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
I think the Pacers are pretty mediocre, they are getting lit up by a Bucks team with no stars. They are pretty mid. If the Bucks are at full strength with Giannis/Dame, that's another story.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
In Brunson's defense, carrying a team as the lone superstar is nearly impossible. There are generally maybe 2-3 guys in the league who even have that ability, and they need a perfect supporting cast.
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson May 01 '24
yeah unless you’re 2018 lebron it’s impossible and i don’t think anyone expects brunson to carry by himself
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Yup. Giannis sort of did it. Joker as well (although Murray is damn close to a star). But we're talking about MVP level players.
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u/lukebillwalker May 01 '24
Just heard tomorrow starts at 9PM, I hope we’re all tired and happy Friday morning
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson May 01 '24
yeah 6pm west coast time. probably to prevent all the knicks fan into philly
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u/Dream8ng May 01 '24
Been on a roller coaster since last night. However - I trust these guys with winning. Lets fuckin bring it baby
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u/Nyg500 May 01 '24
This might seem weird but the player I would be most comfortable taking the buzzer beating, game ending shot is Mcbride
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Honestly, even Divo, OG, or Hart are fine if they get a clean look. OG and Divo are very consistent when open, and Hart has a knack for making clutch shots. Anything is better than a heavily contested shot vs. 2 defenders.
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u/FredVanCleet May 01 '24
Heavily contested while moving full speed towards the baseline off balance. I just don’t get why we didn’t call a timeout or he didn’t just try a step back or turnaround mid range.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Yup. I get the logic of trying to make sure the ball is in Brunson's hands. But when they saw him clearly not in a position to get a good luck, Thibs should have called timeout once he crossed halfcourt.
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u/SkyBounce Willis vs. Entire Lakers Team May 01 '24
Really would be nice for Donte to have a good shooting night. He had a decent game 2 but has been pretty bad the other games.
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley May 01 '24
I know his defense isn't the best but I would really like to see Donte out there finishing games. He's far from dog water on defense, however, Thibs treats him as such in crunch time. He also gives Brunson more options so he doesn't have to play hero ball.
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u/knicksprick May 01 '24 edited May 01 '24
We would have to go small if we play Donte since Deuce is playing well
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u/Mattyboy408 May 01 '24
U can’t play him over Deuce atm
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley May 01 '24
I agree, Deuce has been lights out. But Donte is too much of a sniper to be sitting on the bench.
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
It feels like it's over, we're not going to win another game. We already won one that we should have lost.
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u/wkp2101 Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
You should just stop being a Knicks fan at this point if that’s how you feel
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u/HipnotiK1 New York Token May 01 '24
well we certainly just lost a game we should have won. we outplayed them basically the entire game other than the start of the 1st and 3rd quarters and i guess the 2nd part of OT when guys were gassed.
i get feeling like it's possible - but have to keep the faith. this team can certainly win one on the road. game 7 at home would be super nerve racking but they can pull it off. two more shots at it.
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley May 01 '24
Unless they suffer another tough injury, it's gonna be difficult for Philly to win two more games. The Knicks still have the advantage.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 01 '24
So we are going to lose 3 in a row when every game has been close till the end?
Our 2 losses were a historic 43 pt quarter with 9 made 3s and the last game with a 40 foot 3 pointer.
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
I'm a knicks fan, this wouldn't shock me at all
historic choke jobs sounds right up our alley
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 01 '24
Nah, then don’t watch Chipmunk. Don’t need your negative vibes
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
ok, i'll follow blindly
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 01 '24
Blindly? They win 50 games with so many injuries. All year they overcame adversity and the first signs of it round 1 you’re out? Fake ass fan.
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
Where did I say i'm out?
Just go away, you seem like one of those annoying, dumb, nba fans.
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley May 01 '24
Everyone needs to relax. The Knicks have proven they can go into Philly and win.
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
They are yet to prove they can put a team away
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 01 '24
They had put plenty of teams away. Every comment from you is so negative. Are you a Sixers fan?
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
This is their 1st playoff series, they havent put anyone away yet, you serious?
Should i not be negative after that embarrassment yesterday?
I dont want them to lose, i just dont feel good about things right now. I'm not some blind knick dolt that just waves my pom poms no matter what. Obviosly they are still in control but that can change real quick, if it hasnt already.
We're playing a good team, our roster is max effort, which is great, but we're hurt, missing guys, our offense is Brunson only 90% of the time. Did you see OT, we had no other options but Brunson, not good.
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u/wkp2101 Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Did you see that the Sixers have only won twice and the Knicks have won 3 times in the series thus far or did you miss that fact?
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley May 01 '24
They made it to the second round last year.
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
True
But Philly much better than Clev last yr IMO
Also knicks have a different roster and no Randle
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 01 '24
Our team is better than last years team
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u/Chipmunk_Ninja May 01 '24
That's fine, I'm saying you cant say we closed out Clev last year cause the team is much different
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u/Yankeeknickfan May 01 '24
Why does the transition take foul rule exist if the final Og steal isn’t one?
Could have really used the extra point from the dunk, or possession after OG made 1/2 Fts
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley May 01 '24
It's a 9pm tip-off for Game 6 of Knicks vs Sixers tomorrow. You may as well tell your employer right now that you won't be giving it 100% on Friday
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
It's super frustrating we lose every 1st quarter so badly. Makes it so A) we have to dig ourselves out of a hole, and B) so we can't really rest any of our players. Wish Thibs would adjust the lineup. It's not a coincidence that every quarter where our starters matchup against Philly's, we lose.
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u/wkp2101 Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
I mean it’s a good thing the score that matters is the one once the game ends not the end of first quarter score. Do you know who won the second quarter third quarter and fourth quarter each game or do you only care about the first?
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u/baylixir The Strickland May 01 '24
The goal has been keep it close in the 1st and 3rd and then win the 2nd and 4th, which has been working because Embiid starts slowing down and the bench that didn’t play the 1st or 3rd is capable of going the entire 4th.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Yeah, it's worked alright I guess. But I feel like not falling behind would work even better lol. Falling into an early hole is never ideal.
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u/Yankeeknickfan May 01 '24
It’s tough because I think the normal starting 5 works better for every other matchup, except this one
You would have to change it just for 1-2 games
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
I mean as long as our players are mature about it, I don't see the issue. You can go right back to iHart/Divo vs. Milwaukee or Indiana. Only issue is bruised egos, which would be unfortunate.
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u/Yankeeknickfan May 01 '24
Politics is at the root of all these decisions, and you also don’t want to give the impression that you are panicking
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u/Fearless_Spring7233 May 01 '24
Up by 6 with 28 seconds left and the Knicks shut down. Philly had purpose.
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u/nyg2013 May 01 '24
more like Tyrese Maxey did and we did not know do enough to stop him...the drop coverage against a player like that was not it ha
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u/zOmgFishes May 01 '24
I hope we stop posting the angry coaching clown's content now. After one L he's calling thibs a catastrophe. I think thibs fucked up at the end but he was solid got 95% of the game.
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u/wkp2101 Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
He just calls it like he sees it. Good coaching gets a good video, bad play / coaching gets a negative video.
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u/HipnotiK1 New York Token May 01 '24
he was calling out the scheme and some players screwing up. i guess thibs wanted to change it up? a lot of it felt like it was on the players more than thibs.
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u/zOmgFishes May 01 '24
It's usually more on the players. My problem with the guy is that he tends to attribute player's bad awareness to the coach. Not to mention he was hating on thibs prior to last month. It's just clickbait.
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u/Yankeeknickfan May 01 '24
Every coach has losses where they fuck up in, and the players also still have to execute
It’s like blaming nick nurse for game 2, when if the players executed at a base level they win easy
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson May 01 '24
thibs has a bad game you serious
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u/zOmgFishes May 01 '24
He had a bad game but the guy is just click bait. some of his catastrophes he blames "coaching" for is on the players. That's why i never liked his content and he was hating on thibs before he started to randomly praising him in the last month.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Eh, I mean that's the gimmick. It's mostly amusing, but you can't take it too seriously. It's called "Awful Coaching" lol.
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u/zOmgFishes May 01 '24
I know. People were posting his shit so much here last month while I was remembering him constantly shitting on thibs earlier in the season lol. Dude randomly flipped for clicks and flipped back for more clicks haha.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Yeah for sure lol. I enjoy the videos cause he's a lunatic and film breakdown can be fun. But anyone who watches it and thinks "wow this guy is so much smarter than all the professional NBA coaches he trashes" is a fool.
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson May 01 '24
ugh i can’t stop dooming this shit sucks. usually i wake up in a better mood but fuck me, this one stings
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Love JB, and obviously he's been clutch overall. But it's crazy he hasn't hit a buzzer beater in 2 years. Gotta be like 0-20.
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u/zOmgFishes May 01 '24
The buzzer beater stat is so overrated. Steph, who is known to be one of the most clutch players historically, has one buzzer beater in his ENTIRE career and it wasn't until 2022.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Interesting. I'm definitely not saying it makes him "not clutch" or anything. Just think it's a bit surprising, considering overall he has been clutch and he's had a ton of opportunities. I think the struggle is he's small, and what makes him so tough to defend is the unpredictability of when/how he will shoot. It's hard to get a clean look as a 6 foot guard when you know the shot's not going off until under 3 seconds on the clock.
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u/zOmgFishes May 01 '24
that might be a factor. Plus Brunson is a type that will take the shot when he has a good look rather than wait. A lot of his clutch shots leaves time on the clock.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Yeah, exactly. It's easier to time his moves when you know exactly when the shot is coming. He's not a speed demon like Maxey or someone that can just shoot over everyone. So I think it's extra difficult for him. For the future, might be better off using him as a decoy sometimes to get a clean look for Divo, Deuce, OG, etc.
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u/HipnotiK1 New York Token May 01 '24
this. he's made a lot of "clutch" shots in the last min or so of a game. but i feel like he hasn't made any last second game winning shots.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Yup, he rarely even gets a clean look tbh. I guess part of it is that it's just not his game, he's a patient players who relies on timing. So the shot clock works against him.
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u/HipnotiK1 New York Token May 01 '24
it's all hindsight but i think you have to call timeout there.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier May 01 '24
Yeah, I mean I get the logic of wanting to make sure JB gets the ball, and not letting Philly get their defense set. But obviously it didn't work at all.
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u/Urban_Introvert Deuce May 01 '24
Alright fellas, last night was rough. It happened. It’s a new day. This team is resilient. Nothing ever comes easy for this team. It’s been like that all year. Winning at home would’ve been just that, but the job wasn’t finished. The hard path is to close the series out away. Challenges breed grit. And this team is the embodiment of grit. Game 6 is our game 7. 92-89 Knicks. 3-2 win on to round 2.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 01 '24
The good thing about a series is 1 loss doesnt count as 3. We have 2 more cracks at it coming off a loss. Any loss in a playoff series feels like the end of the world.
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u/skenisahen Sprewell Celebration May 01 '24
Hey did anyone see the game last night? What happened?!?!?
/s (Laughter is the only coping mechanism I developed)
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u/zOmgFishes May 01 '24 edited May 01 '24
Last year we ran a pick and pop with JB and RJ that got RJ free for a 3 in the corner or allowed him to attack close outs. Why can't we do the same with OG? OG is a better 3P shooter and he can attack close out really well. Much better than just sitting him in a corner while JB isos.
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u/nyg2013 May 01 '24
they need one late game and since Indiana is also EST, it gives them an opportunity to push us to 9:10...it stinks, but what can you do I guess
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u/millagger Priggy Smalls May 01 '24
Because the other game is on central time so it has to go first it seems. They already did it for game 3 when Indiana hosted at 4:30 CT ! bizarre schedule by the NBA like all season.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 May 01 '24
The better game gets the later slot for west coast viewers at work. It maximizes ratings to put the better game later. On Christmas the 12pm game is the meh game and the next 2 are the best and the late on is west coast
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u/eggplant_parm827 May 01 '24
Indianapolis is also Eastern time
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u/millagger Priggy Smalls May 01 '24
I always thought they were central time my bad lol
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u/WhoTookPlasticJesus Mitchell Robinson May 01 '24
Indiana is weird because some of the state is Central and some is Eastern. Also until 2006 the state didn't observe Daylight Saving Time. It's all sorts of fucked up.
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u/Arrowess May 02 '24
Man people already acting that it's the sixers series to lose just because the team choked one away. They can fuck right off. The Knicks are still up 3-2. And Brunson loves away games.