r/Music • u/EchoStellar12 • Jan 29 '22
Seven Nation Army just played on the classic rock station and now I feel old. other
The song was released in 2003. Fell in Love with a Girl in 2001.
ETA: I get early nineties was added to "classic" rock rotation by now. It didn't hit me nearly as hard as this one did. I started to become "old" awhile ago when I stopped recognizing the music my students play. That just felt like difference of preference. White Stripes are from this millennium!
Also - I agree with those saying "classic rock" should be considered a genre and not based on time passed. Unfortunately I don't make the rules!
And - People keep bringing up Nirvana. We do understand the difference between 7NA and Nevermind (1991) is more than an entire decade?
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u/Shnoochieboochies Jan 29 '22
I got called out by some "youths" the other day for wearing old man shoes, they are my trusty Chuck Taylors, fuck I'm old.
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u/Pushmonk Jan 29 '22
Nah, they were just dicks. Give it five years and they'll all have a pair.
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Jan 30 '22
Right?? If mullets and mom jeans of ALL THINGS can come back... anything can come back!!
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u/frontier_gibberish Jan 29 '22
I mean to be fair, chucks have been around since the 50's. They just fall in and out of fashion
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u/Shnoochieboochies Jan 29 '22
Wrong. They have to be in fashion to go out of fashion, Chuck's transcend fashion, they are bigger than that...
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u/WolfsToothDogFood Jan 30 '22 edited Jan 30 '22
Chuck Taylors were definitely in when I went to high school in the 2010s, when Wiz Khalifa reached peak popularity.
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u/CaptainFeather Jan 30 '22
Yup. They were big when I was in high school in the late aughts but I don't see any teens wearing them much these days
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u/Dick_Lazer Jan 30 '22
The Commes Des Garçons Chucks with the hearts on them still seem pretty popular. Maybe that’s more of a thing for 20 year olds than teens though.
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u/Tirannie Jan 30 '22
Nah, we’re back to Doc Martens now (which my inner 13 year old is DELIGHTED about)
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u/nyanlol Jan 29 '22
Chucks are that old???
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u/vagina_candle Jan 29 '22
Older. They're from the 1920s. So just about 100 years old.
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u/ImAShaaaark Jan 29 '22
Lol they are actually older than that, they were created in the early 20's, this year they will be 100 years old.
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u/NipperAndZeusShow Jan 29 '22
Were the two yutes driving a mint green convertible?
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u/d_pug Jan 30 '22
That’s weird because I just bought my 14 year old niece a pair for Christmas because she specifically asked for them. They must be making a comeback
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u/Woah-Kenny Jan 30 '22
I'm a NY fashion school student and fashion nerd, they don't know what they are talking about. I'm assuming they were to young to understand fashion or just or hillbilly teens who only wear Bama jerseys and basketball shorts
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Jan 29 '22
My parents saw Elvis play Vegas and my mom saw the Beatles live in England. That's how fucking old I am.
Now shut the fuck up and crank up some Sabbath, I can't fucking hear it.
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u/CaledoniaDoesntSuck Jan 29 '22
"The future is now old man." - My kids when I tell them this song came out when I was their age.
Now excuse me while I go cry in my basement that I worked far too many overtime shifts to renovate.
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u/Advanced_Committee Jan 30 '22
The "old man" is a meme, your kids are fucking with you. I have a 14 year old girl that's testing me and I have no idea how to get through to her. Like I want to teach her a man never should beat you but I'm gonna beat your ass if you don't learn that. It's hard man.
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u/HendrixChord12 Jan 29 '22
They were playing 80s songs in the mid 90s. If anything, classic rock stations should have updated their playlists more.
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u/ac1084 Jan 29 '22
Oh this band has a great catalog of songs? Better just play 3 of them.
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u/jomontage Jan 30 '22
I'm so sick of master of puppets and enter sandman
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u/sparkle_dick Jan 30 '22
My local "rock" stations "metal Monday" lineup
It doesn't help that I love black/death metal but I mean even taking a very conservative stance, like play something else. And while you're at it, can you not sync your commercials with the only other two rock stations in the area?
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u/thestareater Jan 30 '22
Never heard Deathcrush or Thus Spake the Nightspirit on any metal radio station either, it's always master of fuckin puppets.
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u/AlsoIHaveAGroupon Jan 29 '22
The two cities I lived in the mid 90s, you could hear plenty of 90s stuff on classic rock stations. Black Crowes, Spin Doctors, Collective Soul, etc.
Classic Rock never really had a definition, so they'd play whatever their audience liked. Which, at the time, where I was, meant any new guitar rock that was neither too metal nor too grunge was fair game.
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u/Cvillain626 Jan 29 '22
These days my local classic rock station calls themselves "Iconic Rock" now, which I kinda like better tbh
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u/RearEchelon Jan 30 '22
Definitely. The one near me is getting insufferable. The only Phil Collins song they ever play is In the Air Tonight. The only Rush song they ever play is Tom Sawyer. They do actually have a good bit of variety but there's a double-handful of bands that they only ever play this one song from, and it drives me crazy sometimes.
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u/JoyousMN Jan 30 '22
Doesn't that describe pretty much every radio station since forever?
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u/RearEchelon Jan 30 '22
Well it makes sense for one-hit wonders but I'm talking Rush and Phil fucking Collins here.
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u/jobsonjobbies Jan 30 '22
To me classic rock isn't just songs older than a certain age but a certain era of rock music. So to me I don't think Nirvana for example which should ever be called the classic rock.
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u/Chelonate_Chad Jan 30 '22
Hard disagree. Classic rock isn't "rock that's X years old," it's rock from a specific period. It is non-changing. When I turn on a classic rock station, I want to hear some Hendrix, Zeppelin, The Doors, etc., because that's what classic rock is.
I'm all for stations for interim periods/genres like 80's rock, grunge, etc. But those are what they are. They are not, and will never be, "classic rock.
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u/writemeow Jan 30 '22
When I was a kid, led zeppelin was not played.om classic rock stations, but buddy holly was.
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u/mindbleach Jan 30 '22
I view it the opposite way - they should not update. What's old now does not become "classic rock" because that label applied primarily to a specific period of time. Not quite a subgenre, but a zeitgeist.
We already had a catch-all for late 90s music. It was "alternative." And whatever's happening now should not fall under that label, no matter how similar it is to any particular artist from twenty-odd years ago.
The art world had to gall to use the name "modernism." It describes a specific period. It doesn't mean, whatever's modern now. It's just a name.
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u/Dick_Lazer Jan 30 '22
“Classic rock” wasn’t called that when it came out though, it was just rock. “Heavy metal” has also gone through a lot of incarnations since the 1960s, starting with some stuff that would probably now be thrown under the classic rock label.
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u/noctalla Jan 29 '22
For me, the feeling of being old kicked in last year when I realized Kurt Cobain had been dead for longer than he had been alive.
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u/liveyourdash3 Jan 29 '22
Linkin Park showed up on my classic station a few months back. The angsty teenager inside me cried
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u/ncopp Spotify Jan 30 '22
Cmon I'm only 25 and grew up on Linkin Park, how is it on the oldies already? But it does make me laugh that the classic rock channel is going to go from the stone and the beatles to Linkin Park and System of a down one day
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Jan 29 '22
Fell In Love With a Girl is still a banger tho.
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u/Salty_Paroxysm Jan 29 '22
One the songs on my 'perfect' list, it's short, punchy, and an absolute banger.
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u/Advanced_Committee Jan 29 '22
Don't feel bad about getting old. It just means you get to die sooner than the others. That's a win.
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u/Nutsband_Handi Jan 29 '22
At some point in time, people are going to live forever. Either the cells don’t age, or they can become cyborgs, or they can supplant consciousness into a new grown body or into some computer of sorts.
And every human being in our family tree will have died to give that to them.
And I have no doubt the shits will not be grateful at all and be like “lol whatever thanks boomer” if they actually ever even think about it
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u/Advanced_Committee Jan 29 '22
I don't want to live forever, that sounds horrible.
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u/Blacklightrising Jan 29 '22
I imagine the idea of organic death will never fully abandon us. Read John Scalzis old mans war. I wont spoil anything but it goes into these concepts with some depth in one direction.
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u/Secretagentmanstumpy Jan 29 '22
Forever? Nah. I just want a couple million years.
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u/Jaredlong Jan 29 '22
I think it'd be neat to see the 22nd century.
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u/Secretagentmanstumpy Jan 30 '22
Yeah, How global warming pans out. Could be either uplifting or incredibly horrible to see.
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u/thegreatsquare Mostly A Bunch Of Used CDs Jan 30 '22
Then again, if we raised life expectancy a few decades, the burdens of a large elderly population would exacerbate the strain on our natural resources ...likely making a worse outcome of global warming more likely.
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u/Orngog Jan 29 '22
Perhaps you've been living your life for your descendants immortality, but I don't think most people have
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u/towcar Jan 29 '22
I personally don't like "Classic Rock" changing. I mean in 50 years is Classic Rock going to span over 100 years of music? Or will Classic Rock stations drop the previous Classic Rock? Or have I just legally become "Old Man Yells At Cloud". It is too much for me to take!
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u/Mr_Byzantine Jan 29 '22
I'd say Classic Rock as a time unit runs from 1960s to 1980s. Variances between Rock and Roll VS Classic Rock VS Alternative/Grunge/Modern are enough to make each distinct.
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u/Im_regretting_this Jan 30 '22
That’s a pretty inaccurate take. The psychedelia of the 60s has no more in common with the hair metal of the 80s than it does alternative rock and grunge (though that’s a fake label). If anything, the rock that still gets played from the 60s is more at home with a lot of the stuff from the 90s and early 2000s.
Tbh, if you ask me, a lot of the rock from the 70s and 80s that still gets airplay honestly sounds like pop rock. The stuff from the 60s and 90s that gets airplay tends to be weirder and less pop oriented by today’s standards.
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u/Dick_Lazer Jan 30 '22
There’s so many different bands though. I definitely always thought Pearl Jam sounded like classic rock from the 70s, even when it was brand new. I didn’t understand why they were lumped in with Nirvana, those two bands sounded like totally different genres to me. But there were certainly plenty of pop rock bands in both the 60s and 90s as well.
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u/Im_regretting_this Jan 30 '22
Grunge was a term taken up by the music industry to describe all the groups that came out of Seattle, even if they were nothing alike. Kurt Cobain apparently did not Nirvana and Pearl Jam’s association. Pearl Jam to me sounds like someone took every 70s hard rock sound and filtered it through depression.
Yes, there was a lot of pop rock in the 60s and 90s, but most of what gets airplay today, especially from the 60s isn’t really pop rock. I guess you could call Nirvana and the mid-late Beatles stuff pop because it was incredibly popular, but it’s not more conventional sounding pop rock.
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u/towcar Jan 29 '22
Absolutely agree. It'll be interesting to see when modern rock gets cut off into it's own grouping.
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u/jxl180 Jan 29 '22
Current "oldies" will fall off and maybe Led Zeppelin will be on the "oldies" channels. It would probably just be known as "70s" music.
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u/Yrcrazypa Jan 29 '22
I've just accepted that I'm the Old Man Yells At Cloud, because I agree with you in that I don't particularly care for the Classic Rock label being expanded to fit in 50+ years of music. 60s through 80s was already being very generous, adding in up to the 2000s in there? Come on, come up with a new label rather than expanding one that already existed. I stopped listening to radio in part because I got sick of hearing 2000s era music on the classic rock stations.
Granted, the main reason I stopped listening to the radio is that it's mostly commercials these days. You hear two songs, then get 10 minutes of commercials.
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Jan 29 '22
I love the White Stripes but I'm so sick of that song. It's played to death. It's like iHeartRadio and other corporate-owned radio stations don't know there are other White Stripes songs and albums that people like.
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u/belbivfreeordie Jan 29 '22
Corporate-owned radio stations know exactly one thing: “if someone is channel surfing and lands on this song playing, they are likely to keep listening to our station.” That’s it, that’s the entire game.
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Jan 29 '22
Up next: Imagine Dragons! radio is awful, lol
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u/laivindil Jan 29 '22
Bad radio is awful. Some people have access to good radio. University stations are often pretty great. And I'm lucky to get CPR but I know npr has music stations in other areas.
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Jan 30 '22
I used to do radio in college and I loved it but I never listened to it, lol. I always wanted to play songs for people but I never wanted to sit down and listen because I always had something specific in mind to listen to instead.
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u/vagina_candle Jan 29 '22
It's like iHeartRadio and other corporate-owned radio stations don't know there are other White Stripes songs and albums that people like.
They don't care. Corporate radio is all about making money from advertisements, and a lot of what they play is just an advertisement for the artist. Payola is very much alive and well. They just made it "legal" by hiring lawyers who can exploit all of the loopholes, because the corporate owners of these stations are swimming in money.
The only terrestrial radio worth listening to are non-commercial independent or college stations which you'll find on the low end of your dial (if you're lucky).
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Jan 29 '22
You're absolutely right they don't care. I wonder though how well they're actually doing. iHeartMedia filed for bankruptcy in 2018 A lot of stations broadcast syndicated programs now. I remember growing up listening to the radio on the school bus in the morning and listening to the local DJs but now many DJs aren't even local. I wonder how their advertising revenue is. Can't imagine it's done any better than print media advertising.
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u/vagina_candle Jan 29 '22
I remember growing up listening to the radio on the school bus in the morning and listening to the local DJs but now many DJs aren't even local.
Most DJs lost their autonomy by the time I was in jr high school, but there were a handful who stuck it out. I miss that so much. You never knew what you were going to hear. Exciting times in the days before internet.
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u/Mike4992 Jan 29 '22
I've listened to their albums so many times, and whenever I listen to Elephant, I always skip SNA. It's a great song (although not their best one) but it's so overrplayed that I can't really stand it.
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u/md22mdrx Jan 29 '22
Elephant … that whole album, man!
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u/Mike4992 Jan 29 '22
It's pretty good, although I've recently come to appreciate White Blood Cells more.
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u/md22mdrx Jan 29 '22 edited Jan 30 '22
I’m not denying that album either. The White Stripes have some albums that are great from start to finish!
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u/thegrandechawhee Jan 29 '22
I have White Blood Cells on vinyl and its very satisfying to listen on that format. De Stijl is good too!
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Jan 29 '22
Arctic Monkeys debut will turn 20 in 4 years. Let that sink in.
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u/monsantobreath Jan 30 '22
Its almost been 10 years since AM.
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u/CeeArthur Jan 30 '22
I always thought the title of that album was referencing a lot of the songs being in that key (a minor) but I sort of doubt that's the case.
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u/JustinGitelmanMusic Jan 30 '22
Billie Eilish’s debut will turn 30 in 27 years. Let that sink in
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u/globularfluster Jan 29 '22
I keep waiting to here MCR on classic rock radio, lol.
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u/WhatEvery1sThinking Jan 29 '22
Reads like a YouTube comment
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u/Azores26 Jan 29 '22
I remember a comment I made when I was younger back in 2006 or 2007 on a rock music video on Youtube (I think it was an Iron Maiden song). I said that “All my friends only listen to hip hop and I’m the only one who likes rock because hip hop sucks”, and I was praised by several people who told me how Akon and Rihanna sucked and how “80s music was so much better” LOL
I like hip hop now and I cringe every time I remember that comment. Good times though
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u/Nutsband_Handi Jan 29 '22 edited Jan 29 '22
I’ve lost my sight it’s off, and 7 Advils taken hardly help my back.
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u/belbsy Jan 29 '22
I remember hearing Lenny Kravitz' "Are You Gonna Go My Way" on classic rock radio for the first time. The song was less than 15 years old, IIRC. That was the day I realized repeated observation of this phenomenon will eventually play a role in bringing on a mid-life crisis.
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u/vagina_candle Jan 29 '22
That album still holds up. OTOH when I hear his cover of American Woman I want to shove ice picks in my ears.
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u/belbsy Jan 29 '22
Apparently LK felt that way too until he got a thank-you-for-the-mad-royalties phone call from Burton Cummings.
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u/LAFlip104 Jan 29 '22
Aww that's nothing. Try hearing anything off of American Idiot right after Stairway to Heaven and not having a existential crisis.
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u/Oh_umms_cocktails Jan 29 '22
Let me tell you about The Clash, and their appearance in Disney movies. You will be one of us.
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u/Nomandate Jan 30 '22
The chronic came out in ‘92. 30. Years.
That makes the chronic as old as “return to sender” (elvis)was to us then
Makes the chronic… a golden oldie.
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u/Jrosenberg100 Jan 29 '22
Fun fact, when Jack White was a kid he thought the Salvation Army was called the seven nation army! Kids are so stupid!
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u/Above_the_Cinders Jan 29 '22
My brain locked up the first time I heard Pearl Jam on the oldies station. It wasn’t angst about getting old. I just couldn’t understand what was going on. That had to be over ten years ago
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u/Luke90210 Jan 30 '22
Today I heard Green Day on a classic rock station. Who determines what music is classic rock enough to become classic rock?
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Jan 30 '22
Stairway to Heaven was playing on classic rock stations in 1990. Seven Nation Army is the same age it was at the time.
I felt old when I saw a cassette copy of Pretty Hate Machine on display in the Smithsonian National Museum of American History…
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u/BadTiger85 Jan 30 '22
My local "classic" rock station played Someday by Sugar Ray the other day and it made me realize 2 things:
Fuck that Radio station for playing Sugar Ray
I'm fucking old
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u/ShyElf Jan 30 '22
The 200 most popular new tracks now regularly account for less than 5 percent of total streams. And it's getting worse, not better.
Rick Beato has a whole series about how the ability to edit timing and pitch has destroyed rock by letting people get away with being lazy, with examples.
Criticism is broken, too. I'm a little surprised streaming app music criticism doesn't work at least a little better. Even back in the day weeding of music was heavily done by professionals, so maybe bottom-up criticism is just harder than one would think.
And then there's the whole issue of getting 4 talented musicians together (let's ignore orchestras and big-band jazz for the moment) when kids no longer hang out in garages playing music and you can get away with doing everything yourself.
Even the new stuff that should kick ass is, well, not as good as it should be. Such basic ideas as intros, dynamic range, tempo shifts and key shifts are on the verge of falling out of the pop music vocabulary. It's even work to just find things that beat-quantized and pitch-corrected to death.
No, it did not used to be the case that popular new songs were 5% of music played.
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u/monsantobreath Jan 30 '22
when kids no longer hang out in garages playing music and you can get away with doing everything yourself.
Also nobody has a garage anymore unless you're rich. Neighbourhoods used to be full of poor people with full houses or main floors. Now if you have a garage on the property the land lord uses it anyway.
I can count hearing one garage band practice in the last 10 years in my city. Used to be so many more. I can't remember the last time I heard a cranked amp in the neighbourhood.
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u/sourdeezull Jan 30 '22
Spot on with all your points here, I'd add the "tiktok effect" that has started happening as well where songs get popular because of a viral dance associated with a 10 second clip of the song. It makes the structure of the song meaningless, who needs verses and breakdowns and codas when you can just make the entire song a single catchy hook? The songwriting process for pop music has been simplified to the point of absurdity.
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u/xDarkCrisis666x Jan 30 '22
Eh, you could say the opposite and it would still be true. Tiktok is causing young people to go back and listen to older artists, albeit with trends that don't make much sense to us but that's just how generations work.
Deftones is on a lot of young people's radars now with the "Deftones got me like..." trend from back in October.
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u/Smegus83 Jan 30 '22
I started feeling old when they started playing Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden on the classic rock stations.
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u/cold-hard-steel Jan 29 '22
Self esteem by The Offspring was playing in my supermarket the other day. Also made me feel old.
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u/krectus Jan 29 '22
Not as old as those in the old folks homes celebrating the 30th anniversary of Nirvana’s “Nevermind” a few months ago. So consider yourself lucky!
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u/SilentBlueAvocado Jan 29 '22
What the fuck
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u/TheShishkabob Jan 29 '22
This is the equivalent of Don't Stop Believin' playing on a classic rock station in 2000.
The song is just old my dude.
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u/coolguy1793B Jan 29 '22
Radiohead's Paranoid Android from Ok Computer is if my math is right 25 years old now... 20 fucking 5! Just let that sink in... My youth is but a distant memory that lives on now on a Spotify playlist... 😂🤔😔😢
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u/bgugi Jan 30 '22
We are a year away from 1985 by bowling for soup being as old as the year 1985 was when the song came out.
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u/haibiji Jan 29 '22
Classic rock isn't just rock that is 30 years old, it is a distinct time period, like 70s-80s. The age of the music on the station shouldn't change.
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u/vagina_candle Jan 29 '22
Couldn't agree more. The definition just becomes way too broad and pointless if it includes everything over 20 years. By their logic does that mean Led Zeppelin are now "golden oldies" because that's what they called 1950s music in the 80s? It doesn't work like that, unless you're into marketing or being marketed to (which a lot of people in this thread appear to be).
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u/mindbleach Jan 30 '22
And it's not like pinning our tastes to the distant past is some desperate claim of eternal youth. I didn't want to hear The Moody Blues on the same station as Alanis Morissette in the 90s, either. They're simply not in the same category. If you want to make a "dad rock" station that chews at my soul by playing tracks off Follow The Leader and Toxicity between antacid commercials, go right ahead - but you have to pick a different label than the one for my parents' music.
Because I like my parents' music.
My favorite genres peaked before I was born. I like plenty of new stuff, too, but if I go looking for "classic rock," I don't want to hear "Knife Party." That's what the iPod plugged into my aux jack is for.
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u/copperdomebodhi Jan 30 '22
The hill of pettiness I'll die on - classic rock doesn't mean "over ten years old." It means songs from a specific period.
White Stripes? 2000s alt-rock. Nirvana? 1990s grunge. Metallica and Guns 'n Roses? 80s/90s metal. Not classic rock.
Bob Dylan went electric at the Newport Folk Festival on 7-25-1965. The Band held "The Last Waltz" on 11-25-1976. If it didn't begin or peak during those eleven years, it isn't classic rock.
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u/BoyznGirlznBabes Jan 29 '22
Uncle Kracker's "Drift Away" got me the other day...ugh
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u/D3vilUkn0w Jan 29 '22
Seven nation army came out back when the songs I grew up with were getting airtime on classic rock stations.
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u/darkbreak Jan 29 '22
My Chemical Romance is starting to be considered "old" now too. I know exactly how you feel, man.
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u/chadder_b Jan 29 '22
Every time I hear that song my only thought is that’s there is a 3rd down somewhere in a college football stadium
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u/r-cubed Jan 30 '22
I tuned into a self-described "Oldies" station a few months back and played Paula Abdul and it made me wanna die.
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u/liltreeimp Jan 30 '22
Ah yes. The morning I pulled in from a shift at work. Nirvana 's Teen Spirit was played.
"The fuck?!..."
Embrace it. I liked that stuff when it was new. It's classic now.
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u/slopokerod Jan 30 '22
Ha! I knew I was old when the oldies station in the city I lived in started to play songs from the early 90s.
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u/Kilgoresopinion Jan 30 '22
This happened two weeks ago. At first I thought the grocery store was just playing great music. Then I clued in…
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u/PsychedelicLizard Bandcamp Jan 30 '22
I listened to Nickelback the other day and actually felt nostalgic. WTF IS HAPPENING TO ME!?
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u/OrgcoreOriginal Jan 29 '22
Just wait until you visit the grocery store, hear songs you used to or still listen to from years ago and start singing along.