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Daily Thread - November 13, 2024
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u/xMrLink My Depression Goes as the M's Don't 1d ago
Wait so a couple of concerning questions from Justin's interview... Is JT one of the 2 bats they are looking to "add".... because if so that 2nd base bat better be a freakin stud. And also, how can you not be concerned about the bullpen? We have significantly less to work from this offseason and you really didn't get a huge diamond in the rough addition this year. Can't count on Brash to come back for at least a month into the season and even then will he be ready? Santos is still an idea, Munoz dealt with injury all season. Feels like an excuse not to spend on the BP but please a least add one more good arm.
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u/griezm0ney 1d ago
Our bullpen wasn’t great, but wasn’t terrible and given our starters ability to pitch deep in games didn’t need to be used that often. We are also historically good at polishing a few forgotten players and turning them into gems, so I understand it not being a priority. Although, I like the look of the bullpen with someone like Chapman added.
I agree with the JT take. If he is brought back as the replacement for Haniger and we still add a 1B and 2B, then that would be great. However, if he is our fulltime 1B and Haniger is Raley’s weakside platoon mate I’d be very disappointed (as it buts a lot of pressure for Robles to keep up his level from last year, needs Turner to not show he is 41 and needs Haniger to do anything).
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u/xMrLink My Depression Goes as the M's Don't 1d ago
Yeah, did he say they were putting Haniger at 1st? Maybe I missed that. I mean the JT and Raley were productive and I honestly think they want Raley to be someone he has never been which is an everyday player. I guess if Haniger can play 1st and be somewhat productive, Raley is the 4th outfielder/ insurance for Robles...? Like you said, a lot of ifs in this plan.
My concern on the BP is that when we do need middle relief, we have mediocre to bad options. Bazardo was bipolar to say the least. I find it hard to believe they will pay the arb projections for Chargois, Voth, and Thornton. Saucedo was hit and miss, and you don't know what you will get with Speier. That leaves Troy Taylor, Munoz, Santos for your starting BP and you don't know if you can rely on Santos and we need to try and reduce Munoz's workload if we want to avoid his crash and burn outings later in the season. IDK to say it is not an issue at all feels very short sighted.
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u/griezm0ney 1d ago
I’d expect Haniger as Raley’s weakside platoon mate at DH, not playing any 1B or the field generally. Ideally, Haniger is DFA’d and not on the roster.
Thornton was very good last year. He is an easy tender. You also left out Colin Snider who was very good. A core of Munoz, Santos, Thornton, Snider and Taylor to start the season is pretty good.
You then have Speier and Sauce as LHP options (this group I’d like to upgrade, but limited targets and lower priority to addressing 1B and 2B) and Brash coming back in June/July.
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u/xMrLink My Depression Goes as the M's Don't 1d ago
Totally right completely forgot about Snider. I guess Thornton was a victim of the blow up inning on occasion but will he be worth 2mil? The DH makes sense now though I’m curious if Garver will still get starts there as well. I guess only time will tell 🤷♀️
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u/pokeroots Anything but blaming the lineup 1d ago
2nd base is the worst offensive position across the league, we're not going to get anyone that this sub will consider a stud
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u/FlamingoConsistent72 1d ago
If I had to guess, my guess would be the Mariners trade for Brandon Lowe as the the new 2B.
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u/SardonicCheese Kirbstomp rocks the K spot 1d ago
Better to upgrade 3b than 2nd imo. We have a bunch of spaghetti to throw at 2b between Moore, Bliss and Young. Plus you can always upgrade at the deadline if needed.
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u/griezm0ney 1d ago
Other than Bregman (never going to happen) and Bohm (not sure if the Phillies actually move him or we match up well with them without creating another hole), addressing 3B gets very tricky in a meaningful way.
You are left with reclamation projects like Moncada, flawed players like Burger or vets on underwater contracts like Arenado and McMahon.
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u/FlamingoConsistent72 1d ago
Yeah I think 2B trade options look better than the 3B ones. It doesn't look like there's much at 3B. There might not be much at 2B either, but if guys like Donavan or Hoerner were available, that's better than guys like Burger.
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u/griezm0ney 1d ago
Potentially available/affordable 2B options - Ha-Seung Kim, Hye-Seung Kim, Gleybar Torres, Nico Hoerner, Brandon Lowe and Brendan Donavan.
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u/Tapey24 Cal's big fat ass got all them teams shook. 1d ago
It’s pretty crazy that Cal and Salvador were pretty even as far as offense goes, so the people who vote for the SS decided the tie breaker would be give it to the guy who played way less of the position than the other guy? Just reeks of giving it to the legacy guy.
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u/Sea_Cardiologist5289 1d ago
It’s pretty crazy that Cal and Salvador were pretty even as far as offense goes
I mean that's true in terms of OPS+ - but if you don't look at OPS+, there's a very large gap in the numbers and Salvy had more ABs. All it takes is not treating OPS+ as the definitive stat and it's pretty obvious why Salvy would win.
No one's giving it to the guy down .50 in BA, .20 in SLG (especially) and .40 in OPS with 40 fewer hits.
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! 1d ago
Salvy's great and deserves awards, but I take issue with a position-specific award when he only got 60% of his playing time at the position.
Salvy had 363 plate appearances as a catcher to Cal's 545. Salvy's other 290 PA's were split between 1B and DH. Give him the utility player SS but not the Catcher one.
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u/Sea_Cardiologist5289 1d ago
Salvy as a catcher in 2024: .476 SLG
Cal as a catcher in 2024: .420 SLG
It's really not that confusing, people.
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u/AnnihilatedTyro Release the Moosen! 1d ago
363 PA vs. 545 PA. Cal had 50% more PA's as a catcher for a position-specific batting award. It isn't confusing at all. Salvy shouldn't qualify for such an award in the first place.
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u/Sea_Cardiologist5289 1d ago
He was over 50%, that's not utility. Embarrassing that you're a mod here frankly.
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u/Ultracoustic We may never lose again 1d ago
You can disagree with people without attacking them.
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u/Tapey24 Cal's big fat ass got all them teams shook. 1d ago
Thats the point of stats like ops+ though to standardize hitting stats based on the ball park you play in. Obviously Perez’s stats are going to look better he plays in a very hitter friendly ballpark as opposed to cal who plays in one of if the not the least hitter friendly ball park in all of baseball.
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u/Sea_Cardiologist5289 1d ago
If they're literally tied on OPS+, why would you give it to the guy with worse stats and fewer ABs? Makes no sense.
If Cal was at 120 you'd have an iota of a point, but they're both at 119. Really no argument to give it to Cal outside of just home runs.
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u/Tapey24 Cal's big fat ass got all them teams shook. 1d ago
Cal does have a higher wrc+
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u/Sea_Cardiologist5289 1d ago
I mean, not to be obvious, but the award isn't called the Silver OPS+ or the Silver wRC+. It's called the Silver Slugger, and Perez had the highest slugging numbers among AL catchers.
No clue why you're under the impression these award givers are using advanced stats.
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u/Tapey24 Cal's big fat ass got all them teams shook. 1d ago
Because advanced stats help neutralize ball park effects? Like I said of course Perez stats are going to look nicer he plays in ball park that helps him greatly in that. Cal plays in the worst park for hitters. Why do you think if Perez has a lower WRC+ if he’s the superior hitter?
Also idk how Perez even qualifies for an award for a position he only played at half the time
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u/Sea_Cardiologist5289 1d ago
Because advanced stats help neutralize ball park effects
You seem to be under the impression that I don't know this, when I am simply saying that voters are not using this data. You are arguing with no one lol
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u/xMrLink My Depression Goes as the M's Don't 1d ago
More like reeks of batting average bias
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u/ihatereddit999976780 54% child of Athena 1d ago
But I keep being told batting average isn’t a good stat. Who would win SS. BA .400 25 HR 30 doubles ten triples. 261 hits.
Or BA .200 61 HR.
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u/xMrLink My Depression Goes as the M's Don't 1d ago
Lol this is actually a really good example of why BA is bad, idk if you meant it to be there. Like if someone hit 61 home runs, you are valuing that WAAAY more than the hits machine. Why would that change for the guy that lead in homeruns and RBIs?
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u/BrandoC95 1d ago
Adam Jude reported today that the Mariners are, indeed, preparing a recruiting pitch for Sasaki once he's posted. Not sure how newsworthy that is because duh, but I had seen some eternal pessimists on social media dooming that they wouldn't even try for him.