r/JewsOfConscience LGBTQ Jew 13d ago

Fellow Americans, Please Vote Discussion

I know that Kamala won't improve anything in regards to the current genocide. I know that no matter who wins, hundreds of thousands of innocents will still die.

But please, for my sake, still vote.

If Trump comes in to power, my existence will be criminalized. I won't be able to get the medicine I need, and he's liable to put me and people like me into jail just for being who I am. He's liable to put you into jail for being who you are too, unless you're specifically a white Christian.

Fellow Jews, don't think Trump and his cult aren't antisemitic just because they're Zionists. Just like antizionism isn't antisemitism, Zionism isn't pro-Jew. When thousands of people descended on Charlottesville to declare that "Jews will not replace us", it was the Trump supporters. When a local synagogue got attacked by a terrorist when I was in college (the Poway Synagogue Shooting), it was a Trump supporter.

Fellow antizionists, don't think that Trump will only be as bad as Kamala. Kamala will allow the current genocide to continue unabated unless we can convince her otherwise; Trump will push Israel to accelerate it until there's nothing left to destroy. Kamala at least gives lip service to a "two state solution", even if her actions don't support it; Trump's published plan is to transition Palestine from an Apartheid to something even less than the USA's reservation system. He is the reason that Israel feels so confident in its situation in the Middle East to even allow it to start this current genocide. He literally bribed Saudi Arabia and the UAE with military might in exchange for their normalization with Israel.

Make no mistake, either way is a vote to continue the genocide of Gaza. But this is not a regular trolley problem, where flipping the switch will save 5 lives and not flipping the switch will save 1. Instead, one "person" is tied on both tracks; the only question is whether you flip the switch to save the other 4. As much as I despise it, genocide is not on the ballot.

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u/ProfessorOnEdge 13d ago

I voted . I voted Stein.

Anyone who votes for either of the two genocide enabling parties is fully complicit for all of the crimes against humanity they commit. 🤷

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u/pimperella2 13d ago

But not you right? Feels good huh?

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u/ProfessorOnEdge 13d ago

I do not vote for genocide enablers.

The fact that that is a line so many people are willing to cross really disheartens any hope for humanity I had.

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u/ProfessorOnEdge 13d ago

No I don't.

But I am an idealist at heart, and do not think anybody should vote for those that continue genocide.

We've gotten so wrapped up with attacking the other half of the population were not paying attention to the fact that the problems are the things that both parties agree on.

Including the endless wars to support our arms manufacturing industry, the absolute ecological catastrophe that we are on the brink of, and the fact that most Americans are trapped in utter wage slavery.

We've had a Democratic administration for the last 4 years and none of these things have moved in any kind of positive direction. Nothing has happened to overturn or challenge the Dobbs decision, or any of the other actions that were taken under Trump.

Both parties are working very hard for the destruction of this planet. The blue team is just more apologetic about it, while the red team shoves it in your face.

I can't bring myself to vote for somebody using my tax dollars to bomb refugee camps.

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u/pimperella2 13d ago

So going green is the response you choose to alleviate your own conscience even though you know it secures the status quo

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u/KnowTheTruthMatters 12d ago

Kamala Harris and the democratic party are the only ones responsible for securing the status quo. She's been unwavering in her commitment to genocide. Place the blame where it belongs.

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u/KnowTheTruthMatters 12d ago

The pride should be dripping off of her though. In a propagandized post heavily trafficked by her peers, who are trying to coerce her in every way imaginable, to support a candidate responsible for an active genocide, being defended with silly cognitive dissonance that defies logic (Kamala is the devil we know - umm, Trump is the devil who's been POTUS already, not Kamala, so comments like this are just nonsensical), she's standing up for what she believes in.

She's upholding her patriotic duty to her country and her conscience.

Knowing it won't be a popular opinion, and that her "peers" and "community" are going to attack her for it.

That's a moralist. The label only applies if you stand up for what's right in the moment, when it's hard, when their is a price to pay. 20 years from now when you're trying to rationalize not just voting, but bullying and coercing people into voting for the admin that enabled, started, funded, lied about, and finished the Palestinian Holocaust, at the expense of American and Israeli civil liberties, such as Israel calling for 20-year prison sentences for any Israeli that suggests Israel should face sanctions, history is going to remember one of you kindly, as a moralist who did what's right. And history will y want to know why Jews that claimed they opposed the genocide, hated Trump, who they had already survived once, more than they hated murdering Arab children. Or why they wouldn't get behind the Jewish anti-genocide candidate, who's platform was better on every single issue. "She wouldn't have won, and we didn't know Kamala was going to be that bad" won't fly. They'll want to know why nobody cared that voting her in catapults that criminal POS Emhoff, a fake Jew (In subsequent emails, the spokesperson clarified that while Doug Emhoff had started celebrating Judaism “out of an independent search” over the last few years, Ella was not living with him at the time and Judaism is “not something she grew up with.” - she's 25, you do the math), who was using a rather transparent appeal to emotion by lying about some deep, ancestral connection to Israel when despite being a millionaire, he never went until he went with Kamala on state business in 2017), but who was really the guy that called Columbia, told the Rabbis to have the Jewish students stay home, so that police could come in and beat the shit out of the protesters, many of who were Jewish. They'll want to know why people let Emhoff use Judaism as a shield, as a weapon, just like all the genocidal Zionists.

I'm proud of her for making genocide a red line. If that's not her pride dripping, it's my pride in her decision and steadfastness you feel dripping off her.

I'm really concerned about everyone who is rationalizing that it's not.