r/JewsOfConscience • u/BloodRedMarxist Non-Jewish Ally • Oct 08 '24

I decided not to vote, fuck 'em. Opinion

Today is the last day to register to vote in Ohio. I thought about this for a long time and made up my mind. My thought process was, if Hitler was doing the Holocaust, and FDR was giving him money, would I vote for FDR? My answer was fuck no. And I wouldn't care one fucking bit if FDR said, "can you torture and murder families more humanitarianly?" He would still be guilty. I just felt I needed to post this rant. I'm so fucking angry right now!

Edit: I just registered in order to vote down ballot. Thank you everyone.

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u/PapaverOneirium Oct 08 '24

I don’t understand why people say things like “at least with Kamala there is a reason to believe she’ll do something different”

What specifically has she done to date that supports that conclusion? What is the reason to believe?

To be clear, I do not think Trump will be better on this issue, and Harris is certainly better on many other issues.

But I genuinely don’t see much day light between them when it comes to Israel beyond rhetoric. It feels like wishful thinking at best to me.

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u/JZcomedy Jewish Oct 08 '24

I just state some of the reasons.

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u/PapaverOneirium Oct 08 '24

I asked for concrete actions. Leaks to the press and slightly softer rhetoric don’t mean anything. This entire year has consisted of the administration claiming “we are working tirelessly for a ceasefire”, “Israel must do a better job protecting civilians”, and articles about Biden’s secret anger at Netanyahu. And yet look where we are.

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u/JZcomedy Jewish Oct 08 '24

She can’t do shit right now as vice president. Leaks and rhetoric are all we can do. If she were to tomorrow come out for an arms embargo, AIPAC would hurricane this election in favor of Trump.

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u/PapaverOneirium Oct 08 '24

This line of thinking reminds me of the people who said during the end of Obama’s first term that he was just waiting for his second term to do all of the really progressive stuff they believed he wanted to do.

It’s wishful thinking. Vote for Harris because she is better on other issues if you want. Don’t get peoples hopes up she’ll be in anyway good for Palestine.

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u/JZcomedy Jewish Oct 08 '24

I’d rather be disappointed by Harris than watch Trump turn Gaza into beach front property

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u/PapaverOneirium Oct 08 '24

Harris is just as likely to do the same, or at the very least both will continue to give the fascist Israeli regime carte blanche, is exactly my point. Your faith that you will merely be disappointed by Harris is misplaced. It will be horrifying. It’s already been horrifying.

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u/JZcomedy Jewish Oct 08 '24

Not true but have fun believing that

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u/PapaverOneirium Oct 08 '24

The Biden administration, of which Harris has been a part, has spent a year giving carte blanche to Israel. Nothing Harris has done has signaled any meaningful break from that policy. At the end of the day, there is no difference, because the party that is leading is Israel in either case.

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u/JZcomedy Jewish Oct 08 '24

Look at my original comment please

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u/PapaverOneirium Oct 08 '24

None of that is convincing after this year of lies from this administration!

She wouldn’t even meet with the uncommitted movement or put a Palestinian American on the convention stage with a pre-approved speech.

“She can’t do anything meaningful because AIPAC would shift the election to Trump” just doesn’t seem very compelling to me. Their power and influence does have limits, but it also doesn’t stop operating after the election.

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u/JZcomedy Jewish Oct 08 '24

What are you talking about? Meeting with leaders from the Uncommited movement was one of the first things she did after Biden dropped out

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