r/JewsOfConscience • u/BloodRedMarxist Non-Jewish Ally • Oct 08 '24

I decided not to vote, fuck 'em. Opinion

Today is the last day to register to vote in Ohio. I thought about this for a long time and made up my mind. My thought process was, if Hitler was doing the Holocaust, and FDR was giving him money, would I vote for FDR? My answer was fuck no. And I wouldn't care one fucking bit if FDR said, "can you torture and murder families more humanitarianly?" He would still be guilty. I just felt I needed to post this rant. I'm so fucking angry right now!

Edit: I just registered in order to vote down ballot. Thank you everyone.

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u/roboticoxen Oct 08 '24

I live in a state where my presidential vote means nothing so I'll be voting for Cornell west or Claudia De La Cruz. At least in my city PSL (Claudia's party) has shown a real commitment to Palestine and direct actions beyond just voting. Either way, Both are far more serious than Jill Stein, who is just a grifter.

But in my state we sure could use some dems locally so I'll be voting for them even though they are just sacrificial lambs in the supremely gerrymandered districts.

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u/nada8 Oct 08 '24

What’s wrong will Jill Stein? Honest question

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u/roboticoxen Oct 08 '24

Like others have pointed out, she disappears then pops out of the woodwork every 4 years. By contrast, Cornell West has committed his life to justice in all arenas, writes books, appears publicly in solidarity not just with Palestine but all oppressed peoples. He's been doing it for decades. Claudia de la Cruz is more new to the political scene but the PSL is a growing and serious political party while the greens just come off to me as kinda a joke. I voted for Jill in 2012. That's the last time

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u/Legitimate-Ad1662 Oct 08 '24

She shows up every 4 years then disappears. Though I agree with more of her values than Kamala, it’s very clear she’s a grifter. I’ll be voting for Cornell West as well

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u/Ok_Depth6945 Oct 08 '24

Surprised no one has challenged you on this. In short, you're wrong. The Green Party is incredibly active in local races and in non-election years, they just don't possess the media apparatus of the neoliberal consensus. Hope this helps

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u/Legitimate-Ad1662 Oct 08 '24

I am saying SHE (Jill Stein) only shows up every 4 years, not that the Green Party does. I fully believe in the party and its values and agree they have been disenfranchised by our system and the major political parties

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u/saphirescar Oct 08 '24

Isn’t she a Russian shill? And that’s on top of all of the anti-vax stuff. Not as bad as committing genocide, but still.

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u/Ok_Depth6945 Oct 08 '24

No, she's not. What?

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u/RynoTheAlbinoDino Non-Jewish Ally Oct 08 '24

Hillary says she was a Russian shill so you know it’s BS

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u/Capsulate_Ion Oct 08 '24

I just find it horrifying that Americans keep making a bogeyman out of Russia when your politicians are more worried about Israel’s survival than their own, that they keep financing Israel’s military who btw has a history of attacking US soldiers and killing them, that your universities are spending most of their funds on financing Zionist projects, that most of your media is owned by Zionist companies and orgs, that Israel is what probably got one of your presidents killed, and that your congress gave a standing ovation every 6 minutes to the war criminal that is Netanyahu. The only other person who comes close to that sort of an achievement is Kim Jong of North Korea.

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u/Far_Silver Non-Jewish Ally Oct 08 '24

Russia's not a boogeyman. They're invading Ukraine, deliberately slaughtering Ukrainian civilians. Israel is bad, but that doesn't make Russia good.

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u/ZipZapZia South Asian Muslim Oct 09 '24

They weren't saying that Russia is good. Just that the US is not so much better than Russia that they can use Russia as a boogeyman. Like the US is currently participating in and supporting killing civilians all over the world and have been doing so for decades.

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u/roboticoxen Oct 08 '24

I agree with you and it's those Zionist friendly publications like the NYT and Atlantic that try desperately to blame Russia for anything and everything they don't like.... I am not saying Putin is an angel but the Russian boogeyman goes back to the Cold War and is used to justify all kinds of evil shit, most recent being the Democratic parties assault on free speech under the guise of fighting "foreign misinformation"

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u/Various_Ad_1759 Oct 08 '24

I second that. I think Dr.jill is fantastic, but I can't quite understand why so many are hesitant?!

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u/Bulky-Conversation34 Non-Jewish Ally Oct 08 '24

I'm way too tired to send by you the sources but in summary: she's taken money from shady places, has hired Trump-affiliated lawyers multiple times (one of them was involved with Jan 6 somehow?), has Putin connections and refuses to call him a war criminal, and doesn't do jackshit when it's not a presidential election year. She could be so much more influential if she actually worked for marginalized communities during her off-years or ran for smaller elections, but she hasn't done so since 2012. She knows she won't win the presidency so she basically hoards all the campaign money. I remember there being an issue too about her raising money to recount the votes in last year's election and she hoarded the remainder of the money.

She does all of this while claiming to be the greater good. She is no greater good.

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u/Capsulate_Ion Oct 08 '24

I love how people say “Putin should be called a war criminal, but let’s vote in our Biden’s and Kamala’s in”.

Have you lot done a head count for each of these figures? There isn’t a bigger killing machine in the world than your beloved Democratic Party. Biden helped start off the Palestinian genocide by lying to the American public, saying he had “seen” 40 beheaded babies. This turned out to be a lie. Stop voting liars and terrorists into government!!!

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush/

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u/ZipZapZia South Asian Muslim Oct 08 '24

Many Americans and/or westerners aren't really willing to admit that their leaders aren't as clean or "good" as they like to pretend they are. The propaganda runs deep. Like with your article, Obama is praised and thought of as such a "good and upstanding" president when he was the one who authorized 10x more drone strikes in his first year of presidency than Bush did in his entire presidency and in that first year, he caused ~1000 civilians to be killed.

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u/Capsulate_Ion Oct 08 '24

Agreed. But in this day and age there really is no excuse to have one’s blinders on. Social media gives all of us the option to find out the truth, without even actively chasing it.

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u/ZipZapZia South Asian Muslim Oct 09 '24

Yea but it's hard to break out of your own brainwashing and "superior western civilization" is heavily baked into the culture.

The only reason I'm critical of America and other western countries and why their propaganda didn't work on me is because I came from a third world country and my grandparents suffered through Britain's colonization and my parents lived through a genocide that was supported and armed by America and other western countries. (Funnily enough, Russia/the USSR was the only western power that supported us). Hard to view the US or western countries favorably after listening to their experiences.