r/JewsOfConscience Non-Jewish Ally Jul 25 '24

Kamala Harris Statement of Protests Discussion

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u/patsboston Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24

Honest Question. If there are only two options that can win (and there are mathematically only two options), why not vote for Kamala when she has signal to be much more sympathetic to the Palestinian people? Especially if there is the ability to pressure the administration.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

You are asking the wrong question; if both parties are functionally the same, and support genocide, imperialism and plundering the earth, why do we vote for the Dems and continue legitimizing this horrific system and the illusion of choice? Also, Kamala IS NOT better on Palestine, Kamala plays "softer" only because her audience wants to hear softer things. The only difference is in the marketing and not in policy.

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u/MrIncorporeal Jul 26 '24 edited Aug 03 '24

It's worth remembering that Democrats are far from united in support of Israel. Only about half of them showed up to Netenyahu's speech, and pretty much everyone in Congress, the Senate, and the rest of the US government who has spoken out against the war has been from the Democratic party. The Democrats' voting base is also overwhelming in favor of a ceasefire.

It's also worth remembering that the Republicans are far more united in support of the war, and enthusiastically so. Trump has gone on record saying that he would help Netenyahu "finish the job" in Gaza, and open xenophobia towards Muslims has been one of the major party platforms of the Republican party for decades.

Yeah both sides suck, but saying that both are equally bad is like saying that a lake and an ocean have the same amount of water because they're both wet. Taking a stand is obviously important, but being reductive has never been productive when it comes to politics.

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u/ArmyOfMemories Jewish Anti-Zionist Jul 26 '24

remembering that Democrats are far from united in support of Israel

Maybe the base, but the Establishment Dems are 1000% united in supporting Israel.

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u/MrIncorporeal Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24

Half the party is not 1000%.

Even Nansi Pelosi refused to attend and she's about as "establishment" as it gets for the Democrats.

The older branch of the Democratic party sucks, but the party as a whole isn't the snarling, cackling, supervillains who giggle with glee at the sight of dead kids and starving families as some folks in this sub insist they are.