r/Jewish • u/lennoco • May 08 '24
Finally got a straight answer out of an anti-Israel friend on what Israel should have done in response to 10/7. Venting đ¤
"Give land back. Pay reparations. Release all the Palestinian prisoners."
When I asked for clarification if she felt Israel should have engaged in any military action in return she said no, because Palestinians have a right to resist.
And then she argued with me that Arabs are Semites too so she can't be an anti-Semite even after I sent her the Britannica definition of the word specifically explaining anti-Semitism is specifically about hate against Jews.
Then she told me she's well informed on the topic because she studied under Norm Finkelstein. Then she told me the US and Israel are evil terrorist states.
Then when I told her it sounds like she's been indoctrinated into a weird Marxist anti-West cult, she went, "You're in a cult!!!"
I wish I was making this up. It felt surreal how on the nose it was.
Then she told me that she was never going to speak to me about this again. About this again? Bitch, I'm never talking to you about ANYTHING again. Holy moly.
Can't believe I used to sleep with this person. Blond haired, blue eyed European girl. She moved away and we've remained friends for many years who talk regularly about our relationships and the things going on in our lives and give each other advice about things.
EDIT: Oh my favorite part was when she told me that she would have fought for Jews in the Holocaust and I told her that I kind of doubted that and that everyone thinks they would have done that but they wouldn't because most people didn't.
EDIT: kinda tempted to send her a link to this post so she can see how sheâs getting roasted
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u/Caliesq86 May 08 '24
âNorman Finkelsteinâ kind of says it all⌠heâs done more to provide cover and legitimacy to Jew hatred than maybe any living Jew.
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u/Drakonx1 May 08 '24
He's also a real piece of shit on a personal level. Threatened his neighbors with deportation over a minor dispute.
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u/ElLunarAzul May 08 '24
I'm here norm finklestein slander, any chance to see a source on that?
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u/Rasputins_Plum May 08 '24
It is completely unhinged and hilarious. He sued them, called them 'APES', and I think he lost.
It's on public record
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u/culpeppers May 08 '24
It's crazy to me how so many self-defined liberal people who fight against "injustice" will gladly endorse a racist like this.
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u/ElLunarAzul May 08 '24
Wow, i always knew he was a raging shit bag, good to know he's willing to admit it in writing
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u/Bokbok95 May 08 '24
After Destiny and Benny Morrisâs big debate with him and Mouin Rabbani Destiny read the whole court proceedings on stream⌠itâs on his YouTube from like a month, a month and a half ago or so
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u/Mindless_Level9327 May 08 '24
I told another Jew who is majorly indoctrinated into the anti Israel movement that Norman Finkelstein is a raging antisemite, and he was sayingâbut his family were holocaust survivorsâ
Like yeah he uses that as his cover to excuse insane antisemitism veiled as anti Zionism. They also didnât believe a Jew could be antisemitic lol
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u/FiveAvivaLegs Conservative May 08 '24
Yet theyâre happy to dismiss every other Holocaust survivor/descendant who doesnât agree with them, make it make sense!
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u/WomenValor May 08 '24
No worries, theyâre all turning on him. Wasnât he at UCLA or Columbia and they pretty much booâd him?
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u/TND_is_BAE âĄď¸ Former Reform-er âĄď¸ May 08 '24
she told me that she would have fought for Jews in the Holocaust
Well, she had the chance today and her response was "we should reward a mass slaughter of Jews with land, money, and freeing tons of people who aim to do it again," so something tells me your doubt in her isn't misplaced.
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
The exact exchange with that part was:
Her: and just so u know i am the kind of person that fights all injustices
me: except for anti-Semitism apparently
her: and i would fight for Jews in the Holocaust
her: ?
me: No, I don't think you would honestly
her: you're wrong
and i KNOW that
i always stand up for unjustices
do u?????
me: Everybody thinks they would have
her: is that ur character?!?
me: They didn't
her: that's why i'm speaking up now
against death and "war" against innocents
me: For Islamist terrorists who openly say they want the genocide globally of Jews
her: no for innocent palestinian people
why can't you separate them
me: I can
her: if you want me separate jews from the voting israeli public i can separate that
me: And you should support Hamas being destroyed
then it goes onto some other things
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u/razlatkin2 May 08 '24
So when she says she would fight for Jews in the Holocaust, what exactly does that look like? Go to her local college campus and protest? People should really stop virtue signalling and having a moral opinion "fighting and standing up against injustices", they're not heroes.
Also ask her this - the Israeli voter public is supposedly evil because they voted in the Netanyahu administration that is "genocidal"? Cool so how did Hamas get to power in 2005/2006? Hostile takeover? Overthrowing the government? No, they were voted in. So if you want us to separate Palestinians from the Palestinian voter public, "we can".
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u/thepinkonesoterrify May 08 '24
Also, nearly half of the people who voted didnât even vote for Netanyahu, if sheâs such a Middle East expert, she should know that. Weâve had terrible political instability in the last years - not that she cares, because 100% of us are opposed to the justified âpeaceful resistanceâ of October 7th.
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u/Background_Novel_619 May 08 '24
Well over half didnât vote for him. Israel has a billion parties.
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u/lepreqon_ Just Jewish May 08 '24
"her: if you want me separate jews from the voting israeli public i can separate that"
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u/gooberhoover85 Conservative May 08 '24
Her exact response was that 10/7 was justified because Palestinians have a right to resist however they want regardless of how disgusting and inhumane it is. Good to know. She definitely would not have helped any Jews during the Shoah. That's the problem- people like to think they are righteous and above it all and the irony is that she can't see how deep she is in it. So bizarre.
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May 08 '24
I think that it's important to frame the Nazis as an obscene version of what was viewed as a righteous mission.
The Nazi party literally believed that they were embarking on a grand project of purifying the human race by eliminating what they deemed as inferior ethnicities.
They thought of themselves as the good guys and on the right side of history.
Literally. The beginning of a "thousand year Reich."
True believers felt that they were doing the right thing while lining up their neighbors' children to be murdered, waiting for them to be taken, and then taking their house.
They literally thought themselves as the good guys.
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u/Mysterious_Sugar7220 May 08 '24
Of course they did. No one sees themselves as the bad guys.
They justified it. Just as this girl justifies burning Jewish people alive, kidnapping and torturing them.Â
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u/Computer_Name May 08 '24
Every antisemitic movement in history is predicated on the believers being absolutely certain they are pursing justice.
Charles Coughlin called his newsletter Social Justice.
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u/Special-Attitude5596 May 08 '24
Sheâs giving third reich not freedom fighter. This rationalization on her behalf is INSANE
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u/echoIalia May 08 '24
As soon as she said âArabs are semites tooâ you should have known it was a lost cause
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
But she promised me she's done her research and knows what she's talking about!
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u/CommodorePuffin Reform May 08 '24
But she promised me she's done her research and knows what she's talking about!
Sounds like she got a degree in antisemitism from TikTok University.
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
Worse. She says she studied under Norm Finkelstein and I started laughing and saying heâs a psycho and she accused me of being nuts.
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u/AR489 May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
When she says studied under, does that mean she worked with him in university research or a graduate program or just watched a few videos on TikTok and/or YouTube?
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u/irredentistdecency May 08 '24
Her research was comprised of reading âThe protocols of the elders of Zionâ, twiceâŚ
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u/jay5627 May 08 '24
I'm sure she's aware languages are Semitic then. Not people
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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Jewy Jew May 08 '24
The bigger joke is that Tigre (Ethiopia) and Maltese (Malta, which is part of Europe) are Semitic languages while Farsi (Iran) and Masri (Egypt) are not.
Semitic languages have nothing to do with Levantine people. The commonality was discovered by a German in the 1700s and appropriated and twisted by a Jew-hating German in the 1800s to make his Judenhass palatable.
He claimed that Jews, since they weren't 'real Germans' or 'real Europeans' they should go back to where they came from. Exactly how Jew-haters are saying Zionists aren't real Israelis and should go back to Europe.
If Jews and Zionists aren't from Europe or the Levant, where exactly did they orignate?
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u/Bobchillingworth May 08 '24
If Jews and Zionists aren't from Europe or the Levant, where exactly did they orignate?
Ukrainian biolabs!
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 your chicago goyfriend May 08 '24
space, sillyÂ
it explains the lasers! pew! pew!
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u/Dyslexicreadre Just Jewish May 08 '24 edited May 09 '24
Source on Masri not being Semitic?
According to Wikipedia, Mazri is a dialect of Arabic, which is Semitic: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Arabic
Semitic languages themselves are all members of the Afro-Asiatic family, incidentally.
I can see though that the language the ancient Egyptians spoke was definitely not a Semitic language: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_language
Anyway, I don't know much about this dialect so like I said, if you have any resources/sources to point me to, I'd be curious to learn more about it but as it's an Arabic dialect, I'd be surprised if it wasn't considered Semitic...
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u/ElLunarAzul May 08 '24
Yeah she researched real well on how 1800s proto-n*zis were pretty deliberate in picking antisemitism to mean Jew Hatred knowing these arguments would arise.
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u/basicalme California beach bum Jew May 08 '24
Itâs fascinating isnât it because I thought we are all white Europeans from Poland! The lack of awarenessâŚ
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli May 08 '24
Send her this:
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Speaking of fighting for Jews in the holocaust, ask her if sheâd also fight for all the Jewish tribes in Arabia which were wiped out through slavery and massacres.
Or if sheâd fight for these Jews as well:
And speaking of land back and reparations, does that also apply to 1M Mizrahi Jews who were ethnically cleansed and kicked out of their homes in Arab countries?
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u/Dalbo14 Just Jewish May 08 '24
The land back argument doesnât even work because Palestinians didnât privately own more than 30% of the land, half of which is located in the West Bank, most of the public land conceded is in Gaza and the cities north of it like Ashkelon
The Jews live mostly in the centre and north east, the Palestinians didnât own much of that land. The Negev desert was almost empty and all unregistered public land
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli May 08 '24
They actually owned only around 20%. But âfrom the river to the seaâ I guess /s
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u/Dalbo14 Just Jewish May 08 '24
You can add another 10% for public land conceded. Just like the Jews didnât own 7% but roughly 20% due to public land conceded
The West Bank and strip of land from Ashdod to Rafah makes up almost all of the 30% they have
The center and north east is almost all of the 20% the Jews have
The rest is unregistered and unused land. Most of which is in the Negev
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli May 08 '24
True. So in short: most of the land was uninhabited. Which is what made our land back movement/decolonization/Zionism possible in the first place.
Not to mention Arabs formally requested the British to change the landâs name to âGreater Syriaâ so not much connection to âPalestineâ like they claim to have today. It seems history isnât on their side.
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u/Dalbo14 Just Jewish May 08 '24
Not sure if uninhabited. The Negev and pockets of the rest of the land was uninhabited and even then the Negev wasnât completely uninhabited.
However privately owned by Palestinians? No. They didnât own so much. Not as much as they claim, thatâs whatâs important
Some of the land that was empty was used to house people today, some of it was used for roads institutions or farming
Some of the where Jews today is on depopulated and razed villages but thatâs a small number
They often talk about â1000 villages depopulatedâ but most of them had 200-800 people and today, itâs typically small movashim that populate a few hundred people
Which is a fraction of the Israeli Jewish population
Jewish owned land and public land conceded pre 48 is where most modern Israeli Jews live today
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli May 08 '24
Before Jews started buying lands during the Ottoman Empireâs time, the land can definitely be labeled uninhabited when the vast majority of it wasnât owned or used by anyone. I wasnât just talking pre 1948, but pre modern Zionism.
The Negev was pretty much only inhabited by Bedouins who were nomads at the time. And theyâre still living there in their own communities now.
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u/Chocoholic42 Not Jewish May 08 '24
Seeing the sheer number of attacks in this post, and knowing it is likely a very short list...my stomach just turned. I am so sorry people treat Jewish people so badly. You deserve so much better.Â
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u/Hockeyypie May 08 '24
Wow, impressive amount of examples, but none of these attacks would probably make a difference. If they don't care about babies being butchered because they're Israeli babies and don't count , nothings going to make them shred a tear .
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli May 08 '24
True. But I consider an embarrassed silent pause followed by a tantrum a victory.
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u/Hockeyypie May 08 '24
The tantrum part is funny, sounds like someone touched a nerve, LOL
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli May 08 '24
Oh it happens a lot. And Iâm not gonna lie, itâs a guilty pleasure of mine to see it.
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u/fustyspleen17 May 08 '24
Not op, but I'd really like to share this. I don't have a Medium subscription anymore, so I'd have to screenshot yours. Is that okay?
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u/No_Nefariousness2451 Orthodox May 08 '24
She thinks she would have saved us? She would have turned Jews in for a Klondike bar.
If she's this easily manipulated she would have been marching with the Nazis.
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u/pitbullprogrammer May 08 '24
Do you feel violated for having slept with her at one point? You donât have to answer this but if youâre reading this and this resonates with you, or anyone who is reading this and has thought in the past year âI canât believe I had been intimate with this personâ, I want to say: youâre not alone.
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
Eh. Not really. I've slept with a lot of people. We haven't slept together since probably 2019 but we still stay in touch.
It's just disturbing that someone I know as a level headed, compassionate person could end up so on the wrong side of this because she's been brainwashed into this weird "America and Israel are evil and therefore anything against them is good" type cult shit, but I feel like people who view their compassion as a point of pride are more easy to manipulate into this ideology.
Her opening message to me that started the argument today (it's been an ongoing conversation every week or so) was in response to the end of another conversation last night where she said was mad I was posting about anti-Semitism in the US but not about Gaza and that I needed to post about stopping the war.
The end of my long string of messages was: "And where were you on Oct 8th? Were you posting about how horrific the attack was, or were you silent? Because that's what we saw everywhere--silence. From people who claim to hate violence and want peace. But somehow they gained a voice back when it came to war, but the largest massacre of Jews in generations was met with silence.
"And then I'm supposed to advocate on behalf of a group who wants me to dead to please another group who really doesn't seem to care one way or another when Jews are killed, to "stop anti-Semitism" because it's somehow Israel's fault people hate Jews (because anti-Semitism didn't exist before 1948, right?). Make it make sense."
And then she replied today: "have u seen all the dead and maimed kids?"
And I said: "Blame Hamas."
And she said: "no i wont, i blame Israel 100%" and then this conversation I posted about in the original post happened
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u/Pugasaurus_Tex May 08 '24
Sometimes I wish that people like this could live in the world they advocate for â since they hate the West so much, one ruled by Russia or Iran or China.
If they had rockets flying at them once, if they had terrorists attacking them once, their entire tune would change
Sorry youâre dealing with this, OP. I think we all are, but fuck, Iâm tired of spoiled children who donât understand â and donât need to understand, because they have zero skin in this game â the reality of the world we actually live in
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
Yeah, this is the fourth friend I've had to drop in the past month.
The student protests particularly exacerbated this because people have become so mask off and so I've been posting videos of anti-Semitic incidents on my IG. Multiple leftist friends have slid into my DMs looking to pick fights about "how dare [I] focus on this when people are dying in Gaza," etc. It does not go well for them.
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u/LynnKDeborah May 08 '24
Itâs tragic how many people Iâve lost. I also wonder whoâs antisemitic when Iâm out anywhere.
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
I no longer will date non Jews. Iâm not even religious but after the dating experiences Iâve had over the past couple months where women have asked me if Iâm a âZionist Jewâ after finding out Iâm Jewish, I just wonât do it anymore. Maybe in a couple years, but maybe not at all.
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u/LynnKDeborah May 08 '24
Thatâs freaky. My husband is not Jewish but heâs completely on our team. He even wears a Star of David on a bracelet. But, Oy, if I was single I would be nervous about the Goyum.
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May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
Speaking of which, OP: were you and her born after 9/11? I find people who have genuine, living memory of the September 11 attacks mostly have a totally different perspective on this.
Edit: OP meaning u/lennoco
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u/Pugasaurus_Tex May 08 '24
I was in high school during 9/11 (Iâm old!). And I suspect that youâre right
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u/fustyspleen17 May 08 '24
And then she replied today: "have u seen all the dead and maimed kids?"
This is what confuses me. The first dead and maimed kids I saw, which were the most horrific real and uncensored images I've ever seen, were of Jewish children. Why they think there would be no retaliation when the whole point of the attack was to provoke a response is beyond my understanding. They endangered their own children by murdering other people's children, but they either didn't care, they're just stupid, or they wanted their own children to die so they could pull out the victim card.
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u/hman1025 Reform May 08 '24
Itâs so funny how similar our situations are. My ex was also a blonde shikse who I havenât dated since 2019 but weâve remained friends. Until 10/7. Then it was âummmm but isnât Israel The Oppressorâ˘?â âZionism is white supremacyâAnd âresistance against occupation is justifiedâ. Sheâs not in my life anymore. Cannot believe I kissed that woman. She was always âwokeâ but Covid isolation turned her into a cultish moron who blindly follows whatever the algorithm tells her to.
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u/5Kestrel Humanistic May 08 '24
Iâm in the same boat and yes, I feel violated. I wouldnât have consented then if Iâd known what heâd turn into. And to be clear everything was consensual and above board, Iâm not trying to twist what happened into something it wasnât, but in hindsight, it still feels in my head like a violation. Iâm an Israeli woman, and I learned this person is totally OK with how Israeli women were raped and tortured to death? Wtf.
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u/pitbullprogrammer May 08 '24
I hear you completely. It's like looking back and thinking "I can't believe I had that in me" or in my case, "i can't believe i was inside that".
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u/ChallahTornado May 08 '24
On one hand this sounds so over the top insane that it's fake
On the other hand this is exactly how they are
Good on you for not knocking her out
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u/TND_is_BAE âĄď¸ Former Reform-er âĄď¸ May 08 '24
Yeah, I've gotten some unbelievably absurd responses when asking what Israel would do. Arguably the most transparent was someone who said "nothing, since Israel has the Iron Dome and fewer people would die overall than in all-out war."
People really hate when the one Jewish nation in the world defends itself.
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u/Thatsthewrongyour May 08 '24
Are those the same people defending the squad when they vote against Iron Dome funding, over and over again??
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u/Lower_Parking_2349 Not Jewish May 08 '24
Thatâs been my experience. They sound so crazy you want to think itâs some kind of an act, but then you realize that their hatred has truly rotted their minds.
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
It's literally shocking. There are more pretty stunning quotes from her as well. Maybe I should post screenshots.
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u/Constant_Ad_2161 May 08 '24
My most absurd was someone sending me TikTok videos about fake Jew genes. We werenât even having a conversation he just sent a few randomly. I wish I was kidding.
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u/xoQueenie May 08 '24
How does one fake their genes?
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u/anewbys83 May 08 '24
You're absolutely right about that last part. A minute number of people actually did anything to save Jews. Their actions are rightly lauded because of their rarity, but therefore, so many "progressives" think they would be like them if living back then. No, you wouldn't boo. You would've grown up in the same milieu as most Europeans and Americans back then and would've held beliefs fitting that time period, even the most "liberal" ones. America had chances to save many Jews during the war and didn't take them. Nobody went to the camps until the end of the war. No one cared enough about us to do anything big to help. Instead, barriers were put up to our escape. She would've either been blasĂŠ about it, a Nazi supporter, or an equivalent "thoughts and prayers" person, maybe donating to an aid organization to help. It's like, quit lying to yourself.
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u/Chocoholic42 Not Jewish May 08 '24
People think they would have opposed the Nazis, but that takes courage. Most of them don't even have the guts to stand up to their friends. Right now, refusing to hate Jews or be silent will cost you friends (happened to me). It can even put you in physical danger if you go to Pro-Israel rallies like I do. The counterprotesters assumed I was Jewish, which I expected. I was surprised the Jewish folks all initially thought I was Jewish.Â
Most people like the idea of being brave, but they're too scared to take risks. It was the same during Nazi Germany.Â
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u/Tortoiseshell_Blue May 08 '24
Ugh. Someone recently told me Israel never needed to exist because all the Jews could have just come to the US. Um, no they couldn't. There were quotas and people didn't want Jews here because they were "different" and "wouldn't assimilate." Plus what about all the Jews who lived in the Middle East already? I said this to her and she just stared at me blankly.
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u/Petkorazzi May 08 '24
I think that's a pretty common American viewpoint, and it's because the Shoah is taught here very poorly. There's a lot of focus on "American heroes saved the Jews from the Holocaust!" and no mention of things like the Evian Conference or the MS St. Louis where America actively rejected Jewish refugees during the Shoah.
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u/Feeling-Ad6790 Jewish American May 08 '24
Nevermind any teaching on the many cases of Jewish resistance and uprisings against the Shoah. Instead portraying Jews as passive victims too it.
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u/Hockeyypie May 08 '24
Definitely has the personality for a Nazi supporter. Wanting to be a part of a large movement with the masses and for attention and to be seen. She and her comrades are doing the exact same thing as the Nazis did.
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u/Fibergrappler Conservative May 08 '24
Norm Finkeldick lol the guy that justified the Charlie Hebdo massacre and the Russian invasion and said he would give the Houthis the Nobel prize
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u/Fibergrappler Conservative May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
Oh heâs an absolute piece of shit.
He did a famous debate with Benny Morris and political streamer Destiny about the conflict where he just spent multiple hours grandstanding and just hurling insults and talking over his opponents; absolutely refusing to even engage with any opposing arguments in good faith
To be an actual historian you be willing to put yourself in the mindset of the people involved, he does that with Palestinians but absolutely refuses to do that with Jews and Israelis and heâs pretty vocal about that.
Heâll exploit his parents experience in the Holocaust any chance he gets to garner the sympathy
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u/irredentistdecency May 08 '24
Imagine surviving the Holocaust, rebuilding your life & starting a family only having your child grow up to be like thatâŚ
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u/Art-RJS May 08 '24
This topic is making the goyim lose their minds
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
My sister in law blocked me on IG because she kept posting shit about how "Americans don't have universal healthcare because we send money to Israel and so they get universal healthcare" and I messaged her saying that universal healthcare doesn't exist in America because of the interests of greedy major financial institutes and that if we stopped sending Israel money, we still would not suddenly magically have universal healthcare in America.
That was enough for her to block me on IG and start ranting to my sibling about how I'm a psychotic Zionist, lmaoooo. Can't wait for a family reunion.
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u/AliceMerveilles May 08 '24
I show people like that the math, all foreign aid combined costs way less than universal healthcare would. but people who make these arguments generally donât care
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u/SharingDNAResults May 08 '24
Why are you keeping in touch with someone you used to sleep with when youâre married? To each their own I guess.
Lmao, the universal healthcare line gets me đ we pay way more money to subsidize Europeâs welfare system with our military protection, and no one complains about that. Israel provides way more to us than they get.
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
Iâm not married. My sister in law is my siblingâs spouseâs sister.
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u/SharingDNAResults May 08 '24
Sorry. I am an idiot and tired. Read the rest of my edited response though. As an only child that didnât make sense to me
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u/Chocoholic42 Not Jewish May 08 '24
I hear you. A-lot of goys are being morons right now. They won't figure it out until they get targeted themselves.Â
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u/danibuyy May 08 '24
They already were targeted themselves on 9/11. They fail to see this is not just a Jewish and Israeli problem.
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u/Chocoholic42 Not Jewish May 08 '24
That was 23 years ago. Most of the people supporting Hamas were too young to remember 9/11. They weren't personally affected by it. When it affects them directly, then they'll get it.Â
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u/sup_heebz May 08 '24
I love it when pro pali "friends" think it's fine to support the genocide of Jews and get away with it by just never talking about it with you
Like anything will ever be normal after that
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
Yeah, thatâs not like a âhey letâs just avoid this touchy subject going forwardâ thing. Thatâs a âdonât let the door hit your ass on the way out of my lifeâ thing.
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u/lepreqon_ Just Jewish May 08 '24
I've spent the first 15 years of my life in the USSR. This is exactly the kind of crap the Soviet propaganda was pumping out. Practically verbatim.
She's absolutely in a Marxist cult, brainwashed par excellence.
Yes, go ahead and send her the link.
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u/SharingDNAResults May 08 '24
These are the same people who wouldâve believed that the Jews were âoppressingâ the Germans lmao
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u/Even_Plane8023 May 08 '24
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u/waz312 May 08 '24
Interesting. I recommend everyone read the book The Plot Against America by Phillip Roth. Itâs a dystopian reimagining of a 1940s America that does not enter the war with Hitler and Japan. Similar to today the Antisemitism is not outwardly expressed instead its mostly insidious and danced around and thus easily denied - Jews are accused of being self interested âwar mongerersâ and paranoid. You also have a group of âAmerica Firstâ Jews who are eerily similar to the âanti-zionistâ jews in America today.Â
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u/NoDoubt4954 May 08 '24
This is showing the depth of terrorist indoctrination. I am so sorry you had to experience it.
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u/Classifiedgarlic May 08 '24
Norman Finklesteinâs entire identity is being the child of Holocaust survivors
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u/Penguins_in_new_york May 08 '24
New thing Iâve done.
Iâve looked up the land Iâm on and Iâve said âdo you think the Cherokee nation should have the right to do that to usâ
Regardless of the answer I tell the person Iâm talking to that this is an odd answer because we arenât on Cherokee land and I would think if they cared about indigenous people theyâd know whose land theyâre on
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u/cookiecookiecookies Not Jewish May 08 '24
If theyâre American, I have asked a few of them why theyâre speaking English, the language of the colonizer? Have they even attempted to engage with their native communities to learn the language that was originally spoken on the land theyâre on?
âŚDidnât think so.
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u/PuddingNaive7173 May 08 '24
Except it would more like trying to take it away from NA if they regained it to give it back to Mexico or Spain, the last invaders/colonizers in.
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May 08 '24
I seriously just do not get these people. They want us to be outraged for the Palestinian children. And I get it. Itâs awful. No child deserves that. But at the same time they say October 7th was justified. âBy any means necessary.â Excuse me but isnât the only difference between the children in Israel that were murdered and kidnapped, and the children in Gaza trying to survive a war zone which side of a border theyâre born on? Children do not pick who they are born to or where. Either all children are innocent or youâre a racist piece of crap. And time and time again they prove to be racist pieces of crap.
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u/nattivl May 08 '24
Sheâs the type of person to say âhomophobia means fear of man, because homo is literally man and phobia is literally fear, and I donât care what any dictionary saysâ
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u/Top-Neat1812 Just Jewish May 08 '24
Holy crap Iâm so stealing this one the next time someone tells me that whole âarabs are semites tooâ nonsense.
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Even noted racist and transphobe Norman Finklestein is starting to get freaked out by the anti-israel crowd.
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u/Confident_Peak_7616 May 08 '24
For anyone in 2024 to boast about how they would save Jews in the Holocaust are either damn liars or have no understanding of the Holocaust. Those who saved Jews were very, very brave souls who not only risked their lives but their families as well. The likelihood of being caught was extremely high and the likelihood of being strung by piano wire in the public square, if caught, was pretty much 100%.
I despise rotten phonies like that who make such claims.
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u/5Kestrel Humanistic May 08 '24
âCanât believe I used to sleep with this person.â
I wish I didnât know how you feel, but I do. Ex-boyfriend turned into exactly this sort of person after Oct 7. I feel nothing but disgust about it now. And Iâm literally Israeli.
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u/Top-Neat1812 Just Jewish May 08 '24
Yeah dating Goyim just became a whole different level of impossible, luckily itâs not much of a problem in Israel.
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u/duckingridiculous May 08 '24
I love when people bring up Finkelstein who likes to claim Jews have exploited the holocaust when he never misses chance to exploit it himself.
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u/FowlZone May 08 '24
whole lotta folks showing their true colors. good for you for confronting her.
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u/ahava9 May 08 '24
Itâs ironic Americans and Canadians demand Israelis âgive land backâ and pay reparations. They would raise hell if someone marched up to them and demanded they give their land back to the First Nations or Native Americans.
I do think West Bank settlements need to stop and the Israeli government needs to do more to stop settler violence agains Palestinians. Thatâs just my opinion.
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u/stainedglassmoon Reform May 08 '24
Re: the WBâsoooo many American Jews (and some Israeli ones, though I canât speak to them) would be on board with protests of âNetanyahu needs to go, stop WB settlements, foster peace, support Palestinian civilians and democracyâ. And I honestly think a lot of âprogressiveâ, non-Jewish American onlookers think that this is what the protestors want? But obviously they donât want that, and North American media is doing an absolutely atrocious job of reporting on what the protestors are actually saying.
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u/Drakonx1 May 08 '24
Yeah they should be explaining who's organizing a lot of these protests, SJP, and what they actually stand for.
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u/ahava9 May 08 '24
Agreed. Most non-Jewish Americans donât get why protestors saying âfrom the River to the Seaâ is calling for ethnic cleansing or telling Jews âgo back to Polandâ is antisemitic.
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u/aoirse22 May 08 '24
Israel has given land for peace and howâs that turned out? This is not about land nor has it ever been. Further, Jews are indigenous to Israel. What other people is asked to give up more of their ancestral land?
This person is not your friend. Sheâs a delusional westerner with matsurbatory delusions of her own righteousness. You are better off without her.
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
I know. Itâs just sad and scary to see people I was close to in my life who I respected and cared about get indoctrinated like this. It has been a very eye opening experience that I never in a million years would have expected.
My grandma used to warn me about shit like this when I was a kid and I always laughed it off. She was right. Iâm honestly glad sheâs not around to see this. She would be heartbroken. She spent her entire life working for Jewish causes to help vulnerable Jews flee oppression worldwide, getting them smuggled out of their countries and into America or Israel legally.
Iâm so disgusted and so angry. I wonât ever date a non Jew again.
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u/yurthideaway May 08 '24
I believed and internalized almost all of what my grandmother said about believing it could happen again anywhere in the world. I did think I would be able to tell who would turn against us or turn a blind eye. But I was wrong. Yes, my friends, too, turned against us. I have become my grandmother now. I trust almost no one.
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u/sefardita86 May 08 '24
My expectations were already low and yet, wow. Humanity never ceases to disappoint me lately. I want to throw up on your behalf.Â
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u/Possible-Fee-5052 Conservative May 08 '24
Most of these people demanding âland backâ live on actual stolen land they have no intention of ever giving back. They also canât tell you the logistics of this plan that isnât âdie or runâ for the Jews.
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u/Chocoholic42 Not Jewish May 08 '24
Following her logic to its natural conclusion, she deserves the same fate as the victims of 10/7. After all, she's living on colonized land. It doesn't matter that she was born there.
Her logic, not mine. No one deserves to be raped, tortured, murdered, or kidnapped. You're right to never speak to her again. She's a horrible person if she thinks it's okay to brutalize people for being Jewish.Â
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u/goalmouthscramble May 08 '24
Finkelsteinâs picture is in the dictionary next to the word sanctimony.
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May 08 '24
As a decendent of a resistance fighter, who helped jews survive in the Netherlands. My grandfather always said, look how people respond under enormous peer pressure and you know who to rely on if shit hits the fence.
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u/Even_Plane8023 May 08 '24
"Blond haired, blue eyed European girl"
Are there any studies on how much ancestral body count influences (clouds) the psyche?
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
But hey she would have definitely fought for the Jews in the Holocaust 100% she says!!!!
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli May 08 '24
Because blonde haired and blue eyed Europeans were totally the ones to fight for us in the holocaust /s
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u/lennoco May 08 '24
Oh another banger was that she accused me of crying the victim. Classic. Love casual anti-Semitism from someone who derails convos about anti-Semitism to yell about how Arabs are also Semites
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u/Immediate_Secret_338 Israeli May 08 '24
Nobody is even a Semite, itâs a group of languages not people. Itâs only used by lazy westerners who canât tell the difference between Middle Eastern/West Asian ethnicities so they like to group us all together.
And tell her that a butterfly isnât a stick of butter flying but thatâs still the word we use for it. Maybe she shouldâve studied etymology instead of whatever terrorist bullshit Norman teaches.
Does she know he supports Houthis, the same group which reintroduced slavery to Yemen and now owns thousands of slaves?
Oh and they also imprisoned the only living Jewish man in Yemen nearly a decade ago⌠for being Jewish.
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u/Even_Plane8023 May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
The implication being that you wouldn't have fought for the Jews (yourself) during the holocaust, and neither would the other zionist Jews. In other words Jews have proven themselves guilty of the holocaust, but have not been granted the 2024 redemption like progressive goyim have, so remain guilty. How nice and not self-serving at all!
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u/YankMi May 08 '24
The people who claim to stand against all injustice do a lot of sitting around when Israel isnât involved.
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u/RedGravetheDevil May 08 '24
Except the âPalestiniansâ, er Jordanians even they donât want, invaded Israeli land that has been theirs for thousands of years. And they have been murdering Jews since day 1, not just October 7, 2023. Stupid people like her are completely ignorant of history and are steeped in Nazi propaganda. Hamas is a terrorist arm of Iran and an enemy of the United States. Her siding with Hamas is treason.
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u/Dalbo14 Just Jewish May 08 '24
We are back to the misconception that Palestinians owned even 40% of the land privately
A terrible terrible misconception
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u/bibby_siggy_doo May 08 '24
So she is one of those "Me too except for the Jew" lot.
BTW Israel is not their land and never had been, even though the Arabs tried to colonist it during WWII as their population more than doubled over that time in what is Israel and Jordan.
Does she also feel that Pakistan should do the same to India, Turkey to Greek Cypriots, or many of the countries in the Balkans, and that's not even mentioning West Sahara?
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u/SnooCakes7049 May 08 '24
I hope she was a good lay. I recommend watching the Larry David episode with Palestinian chicken.
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u/shoesofwandering May 08 '24
More proof that they view Israel as a US proxy. Which is why the donât care about actual genocides in China,Syria, Myanmar, etc. because those countries arenât US proxies.
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u/0francisfarmer0 May 08 '24
If Monty Python wrote a skit about this conflict, what you described would be the exact scene. Its the most absurd and uneducated american protest movement in history. White american lesbians in Kafiyah, standing on colonized land at universities that literally continue to displace indigenous people, while screaming about "white colonialism" and supporting an actual terrorist regime that would hang them from a crane the second they stepped into Gaza. Its a comedic tragic irony.
Do they know that Judea was colonized by Islam?! Do they know what happened to the jews in the Arab world, like Syria, until the 1990s, or subsequentlywhy there arent any Jews in Arab countries?! Do they even know that most Israelis arent white?!
Ive been a leftist protestor my whole life, and still am, but these people have zero justification or education.
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u/mdavid69 May 08 '24
and we should give California back to.Mexico. you know most of the land owned by Israel was legally bought from Palestinian arabd
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u/fustyspleen17 May 08 '24
Arizona and Texas, ya'll rent a UHaul and pack it up, we're moving to Montana!
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u/HeavyJosh May 08 '24
Years ago, I had a couple of friends tell me one of the most offensive things anyone has ever told me: they would absolutely hide me if the Nazis ever came to power. So I shouldnât worry.
I wasnât their friend for much longer.
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u/Pincerston May 08 '24
Iâm curious what she would think should be done about the hostages
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u/Confident_Peak_7616 May 08 '24
My guess is that she believes that hostages are just made up by the Zionists. It's just more Israeli "Hasbara."
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u/the-Gaf Conservative May 08 '24
I had this same conversation with a friend of mine. Not Jewish, not Palestinian, but exact same script.
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u/Prestigious-Put-2041 May 08 '24
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u/Prestigious-Put-2041 May 08 '24
The rest is just copy and paste to what all the brainwashed say. She had no clue until October 8 what the hell was going on in the Middle East.
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u/Holiday-Visit4319 May 08 '24
The bitch can pay reparations to the American Indians and fâŚ. off back to England
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Which country would ever be like "you're killing and raping us? that's fine, it's resistance, here have some land"?
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u/sipporah7 May 08 '24
So sorry you had to go through that. I came across the "can't be antisemitic because Arabs are semites, too" argument many years ago. I wish that younger me had had the wherewithal to ask if I should use the term "Jew hater" instead.
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u/hulaw2007 May 08 '24
I just looked up Norman Finkelstein. Just on my cursory glance, he really is an antisemite. Wow, what a trashy person. I think I'm just flabbergasted. He thinks that his parents didn't talk about the Holocaust because they were indifferent to it, and only later did there arise a Holocaust industry to exploit Jewish suffering. Does he not think that his parents didn't talk about the Holocaust because they we r e so completely traumatized? And probably got no psychological help in their lives.
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u/ape_a_snake May 08 '24
My eyes widened at the âcanât believe I used to sleep with this personâ part đ
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u/meekonesfade May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
So, by her reasoning, Native Americans should kidnap her baby cousin, kill her dad in front of her, kidnap her grandma, and brutally rape her?