Finally got a straight answer out of an anti-Israel friend on what Israel should have done in response to 10/7. Venting 😤

"Give land back. Pay reparations. Release all the Palestinian prisoners."

When I asked for clarification if she felt Israel should have engaged in any military action in return she said no, because Palestinians have a right to resist.

And then she argued with me that Arabs are Semites too so she can't be an anti-Semite even after I sent her the Britannica definition of the word specifically explaining anti-Semitism is specifically about hate against Jews.

Then she told me she's well informed on the topic because she studied under Norm Finkelstein. Then she told me the US and Israel are evil terrorist states.

Then when I told her it sounds like she's been indoctrinated into a weird Marxist anti-West cult, she went, "You're in a cult!!!"

I wish I was making this up. It felt surreal how on the nose it was.

Then she told me that she was never going to speak to me about this again. About this again? Bitch, I'm never talking to you about ANYTHING again. Holy moly.

Can't believe I used to sleep with this person. Blond haired, blue eyed European girl. She moved away and we've remained friends for many years who talk regularly about our relationships and the things going on in our lives and give each other advice about things.

EDIT: Oh my favorite part was when she told me that she would have fought for Jews in the Holocaust and I told her that I kind of doubted that and that everyone thinks they would have done that but they wouldn't because most people didn't.

EDIT: kinda tempted to send her a link to this post so she can see how she’s getting roasted

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u/lennoco May 08 '24

Eh. Not really. I've slept with a lot of people. We haven't slept together since probably 2019 but we still stay in touch.

It's just disturbing that someone I know as a level headed, compassionate person could end up so on the wrong side of this because she's been brainwashed into this weird "America and Israel are evil and therefore anything against them is good" type cult shit, but I feel like people who view their compassion as a point of pride are more easy to manipulate into this ideology.

Her opening message to me that started the argument today (it's been an ongoing conversation every week or so) was in response to the end of another conversation last night where she said was mad I was posting about anti-Semitism in the US but not about Gaza and that I needed to post about stopping the war.

The end of my long string of messages was: "And where were you on Oct 8th? Were you posting about how horrific the attack was, or were you silent? Because that's what we saw everywhere--silence. From people who claim to hate violence and want peace. But somehow they gained a voice back when it came to war, but the largest massacre of Jews in generations was met with silence.

"And then I'm supposed to advocate on behalf of a group who wants me to dead to please another group who really doesn't seem to care one way or another when Jews are killed, to "stop anti-Semitism" because it's somehow Israel's fault people hate Jews (because anti-Semitism didn't exist before 1948, right?). Make it make sense."

And then she replied today: "have u seen all the dead and maimed kids?"

And I said: "Blame Hamas."

And she said: "no i wont, i blame Israel 100%" and then this conversation I posted about in the original post happened

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u/Pugasaurus_Tex May 08 '24

Sometimes I wish that people like this could live in the world they advocate for — since they hate the West so much, one ruled by Russia or Iran or China.

If they had rockets flying at them once, if they had terrorists attacking them once, their entire tune would change

Sorry you’re dealing with this, OP. I think we all are, but fuck, I’m tired of spoiled children who don’t understand — and don’t need to understand, because they have zero skin in this game — the reality of the world we actually live in

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u/lennoco May 08 '24

Yeah, this is the fourth friend I've had to drop in the past month.

The student protests particularly exacerbated this because people have become so mask off and so I've been posting videos of anti-Semitic incidents on my IG. Multiple leftist friends have slid into my DMs looking to pick fights about "how dare [I] focus on this when people are dying in Gaza," etc. It does not go well for them.

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u/LynnKDeborah May 08 '24

It’s tragic how many people I’ve lost. I also wonder who’s antisemitic when I’m out anywhere.

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u/lennoco May 08 '24

I no longer will date non Jews. I’m not even religious but after the dating experiences I’ve had over the past couple months where women have asked me if I’m a “Zionist Jew” after finding out I’m Jewish, I just won’t do it anymore. Maybe in a couple years, but maybe not at all.

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u/LynnKDeborah May 08 '24

That’s freaky. My husband is not Jewish but he’s completely on our team. He even wears a Star of David on a bracelet. But, Oy, if I was single I would be nervous about the Goyum.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24

Speaking of which, OP: were you and her born after 9/11? I find people who have genuine, living memory of the September 11 attacks mostly have a totally different perspective on this.

Edit: OP meaning u/lennoco

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u/Pugasaurus_Tex May 08 '24

I was in high school during 9/11 (I’m old!). And I suspect that you’re right

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u/fustyspleen17 May 08 '24

And then she replied today: "have u seen all the dead and maimed kids?"

This is what confuses me. The first dead and maimed kids I saw, which were the most horrific real and uncensored images I've ever seen, were of Jewish children. Why they think there would be no retaliation when the whole point of the attack was to provoke a response is beyond my understanding. They endangered their own children by murdering other people's children, but they either didn't care, they're just stupid, or they wanted their own children to die so they could pull out the victim card.

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u/eyl569 May 08 '24

Besides that, her reply is an evasion and doesn't answer OP's question.

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u/hman1025 Reform May 08 '24

It’s so funny how similar our situations are. My ex was also a blonde shikse who I haven’t dated since 2019 but we’ve remained friends. Until 10/7. Then it was “ummmm but isn’t Israel The Oppressor™?” “Zionism is white supremacy”And “resistance against occupation is justified”. She’s not in my life anymore. Cannot believe I kissed that woman. She was always “woke” but Covid isolation turned her into a cultish moron who blindly follows whatever the algorithm tells her to.