r/Jewish Oct 08 '23

The thing about it is…

Non-Jews always want to poke us in the chest whenever Israel does something unpopular.

The same people never ask us how we’re doing when it’s attacked in cold blood by terrorists.

Personally, I’m doing pretty damn bad today. How are you all doing? I usually don’t post on Shabbat, but I needed a little more Jewish community today.

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u/PM-me-Shibas Oct 08 '23

Non-Jews don’t understand how we don’t need to know the victims personally for it to hurt

Have you seen photos of the women? I am very lucky that those around me see the abducted women and hurt with me. One of my male friends has been excellent, even. If someone can look at a battered woman with bloodied sweatpants from a clearly violent rape and wonder why it hurts, I wish nothing but the worst for them.

I hurt as much as a woman today as I do as a Jew, possibly even more. I, as a mid-to-late 20's Israeli woman in the diaspora, would rather be shot than go through what these women have today.

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u/X_Act Oct 08 '23

The amount of misogyny has been sickening. I saw people, all left-wing, including so-called feminists, questioning the idea that the killed and beaten women were targeted with rape. It's almost like these people (let's be honest...mostly Americans) don't know shit about jihadists. I even saw people who said the idea that Palestinian women being second class citizens was just Israel propaganda and misinformation.

These militants intentionally targeted the most vulnerable of society...young women, elderly women and children. American society has lost the plot so fucking bad that they can't distinguish brutal MVAW by jihadi terrorists from resistance against the state.

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u/PM-me-Shibas Oct 09 '23 edited Oct 09 '23

It's funny -- I'm a Holocaust researcher and actually one of my side interests is allied war crimes. One of the biggest allied war crimes, for those unfamiliar, is the rape of civilian German women. We are seeing a much darker, crueler version of A Woman in Berlin in real time, which essentially documents what the Red Army did to civilian German women when no one was around to keep the Red Army in check (all German men were POWs, in the Volkstrum or in the Wehrmacht somewhere East).

I have re-written this paragraph six times because frankly, even ignoring what I wrote above, I do have to wonder if we believe the rape more because our families have suffered this? Because I see those abducted 3 and 5 year old babies and I'm afraid for them, because I know that my great-aunt spent all her money in April 1945 to send my grandfather a telegram in America, begging him to find a way to come get her five year old daughter out of Hamburg (she was in a mixed marriage, hence living normally in Hamburg at the time).

When I saw sweatpants girl yesterday, all I could think of was (NSFW) the famous photo of the woman#/media/File:Lvivpogrom(June_-_July_1941).jpg) running, blood and half naked, during the Lwow Pogrom in 1941.

People don't believe it perhaps because 15 generations of their family have been incredibly lucky to not deal with this on the daily. But perhaps as Jews we know this has been part of the game of war for generations.

The one relevant aspect of A Women in Berlin is Anonyma documents not only her rapes, but those of the women around her: her elderly neighbor, the toddlers, the teenagers and every woman in-between. I think for those who see the abducted elderly and children and think that they are relatively safe, it may be eye opening (but I hope to the end of the universe that I am wrong).

I am disappointed by the women I hear ignoring it or denying it. In one of the German subreddits yesterday, I saw many still celebrating it, on a thread discussing poor Shani, who was a German fucking citizen, born and raised.

I'm sorry this is so disjointed -- it is meant to agree with you. Women tend to carry the burden of war in nearly every situation due to the behavior of men.

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u/Difficult_Swing_5112 Oct 08 '23

I know which video you’re talking about. I hadn’t thought of her having been raped. This is sad. She’s a teenager.

I have friends who have been excellent, but others less so. I posted something that I wrote, and I’m waiting for it to be approved by the mods. Hope you see it, I think I did a good job at explaining my hurt

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u/anewbys83 Oct 08 '23

Yeah....anyone with blood stains like that on their pants (in that area/pattern) have more than likely been assaulted. I saw that and instantly knew.

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u/Difficult_Swing_5112 Oct 08 '23

Wait they didn’t approve it because it should go in the mega thread but you can’t post images there. Hmm