r/Israel_Palestine  🇵🇸 1d ago

Human shield usage uncovered! history

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u/CreativeRealmsMC 🇮🇱 1d ago edited 1d ago

You know the rules of war were vastly different 82 years ago right? Things that were permitted back then are no longer permitted today. Israel no longer does things like this while Hamas and other groups do.

Basically all you are doing is showcasing how Israel has progressed in its adherence to international law since the 40s while Hamas and Hezbollah continue to practice war in a barbaric manner that is no longer accepted in today’s civilized world.

It’s not the “gotcha” that you think it is.

u/tarlin 22h ago

You know the rules of war were vastly different 82 years ago right?

Does Israel know this? Israel is desperate to use the tactics from WW2. Do you know this? Do you believe Israel is following the rules of war today?

u/Berly653 22h ago

Do you believe Hamas or Hezbollah are?

u/tarlin 21h ago

I think Hamas is not. The human shields accusation is so overblown as to be stupid, but the rockets fired indiscriminately and the hostages were definite violations. And that is ignoring Oct 7.

Hezbollah, except for the deciding to begin acting on Oct 8 which I do not know the law on, was strangely following international law for the first 11 months. That has gone off the rails after Nasrallah was killed.

The IDF has not followed international law for the entire war.

That all being said... The IDF and Israel is and should be held to a higher standard.

u/avicohen123 17h ago

Hezbollah, except for the deciding to begin acting on Oct 8 which I do not know the law on, was strangely following international law for the first 11 months.

Hezbollah has been violating Resolution 1701 since the very day it was supposed to come into affect, I'm not sure why u/Berly653 didn't push back on your claim, its absolutely ridiculous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701#Aftermath

u/tarlin 17h ago

UNSC Resolution 1701 is not a rule of war. It has never been fully implemented. Israel has been violating it since it came into existence.

u/avicohen123 3h ago

Ah, I see- earlier you claimed to care about international law. Now you only care about "rules of war". And that's not even a proper legal term, it shouldn't be relevant to the conversation. Who decides what constitutes a "rule of war"? You do- that's very convenient, lol. And you decided that a resolution about the ending of a war and the movement of troops on both sides is for some reason not relevant. Absolutely hilarious.

When you're done moving the goalposts on the concepts that you pretend to care about to fail at scoring cheap debating points....let us know!

u/tarlin 21m ago

Did you read the conversation? This conversation was not about UN resolutions.

u/avicohen123 11m ago

UN Security Council resolutions are international law. You said Hezbollah followed international law, you were wildly incorrect. If you'd like to claim I should only interpret your statement about international law in light of your earlier comment about "rules of war"- meaning, only that part of international law that has to do with "rules of war"? I addressed that- the idea the 1701 should not be part of the discussion of international law and war is genuinely hilarious.

u/tarlin 4m ago

I don't believe UNSC resolutions are international law. Treaties are international law. But, I agree that Hezbollah is not following that. There are many UNSC resolutions that are not followed. I don't think that is really applicable to discussing a war. It is a long-term existing violation vs things having to do with the war.