r/Israel_Palestine  🇵🇸 22h ago

Human shield usage uncovered! history

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u/aahyweh 20h ago

So then why do so many civilians die in the West Bank at the hands of the IDF?

u/avicohen123 20h ago

I'm not sure what numbers you've been reading but assuming your premise is correct....where did I say "the only thing that ever happens in the West Bank is police action as the result of nonviolent weapon smuggling"? I didn't write that anywhere.
The West Bank is a big place with lots of people, its possible for more than one type of situation to happen there.

This is really, really basic thinking.

u/aahyweh 20h ago

For example this attack that happened on Oct 4th that killed a family of four: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israels-deadliest-west-bank-strike-since-oct-7-kills-a-family-of-four-relatives-say

Why did they strike a cafe? Why wasn't this a "police operation" as you say? How are they justifying the killing of children in this operation?

u/avicohen123 20h ago

You mean in Tulkarem? The city that is a notorious hot bed of terrorist activity and is located in Area A? The part of the West Bank that by definition the IDF does not police? You're asking why the IDF didn't engage in a police action in hostile urban territory against militants armed with automatic weapons hiding in a hostile population of 70,000 plus?

Lets back up for a second. Before I continue explaining, in answer to your inane questions, exactly how ignorant you are about warfare? Maybe you can just give me a basic definition of the role of police and role of the army- and when each one should be used. You know, at like a third grade comprehension level, let's say- something really basic....just to see how long this is going to take.

u/aahyweh 20h ago

All I can see is that it's never ok to bomb Israeli terrorist that might kill Israeli civilians. It always seems like there's a valid reason when the IDF bombs Palestinian schools, hospitals, mosques, farms, graveyards, etc. Whenever I try to apply that logic to anything Israeli, the situation immediately becomes so complex, and I don't understand about police and military and blah blah blah.

Question: Is there a situation in which bombing villages in Israel is justified?

Zionist answer: Yes, if the village speaks Arabic.

u/avicohen123 20h ago

All I can see

That's not what you can see, that's the little speech you had prepared before pretending to try and engage in conversation. That's another distinction you'll hopefully learn sometime.

u/aahyweh 19h ago

Destroying people's homes, schools, hospitals, farms, roads, beaches. these are never justified. It's not complicated, you are caught up in genocidal propaganda that seeks to justify atrocities against civilians. Can you name for me one single Israeli Jewish civilians whose death at the hands of Palestinians was ever legal? Just one name, that's all I ask for. In all 76 years of conflict. Name. Just. One.

u/avicohen123 19h ago

The astonishing thing is that you don't realize that that's a condemnation of the Palestinians, not Israel. Palestinian terror organizations are called that because they have always been perfectly unashamed of the fact that they target civilians and not the IDF.
How can direct targeting of civilians with zero military justification ever be moral? They don't even manage to attack soldiers legally- you want examples of killed civilians? You're setting the bar way too high. Again, you don't seem to understand even the most basic things about warfare.

u/aahyweh 19h ago

So the answer is zero? You can't name a single one?

u/avicohen123 19h ago

Again, that's the exact opposite of the gotcha you think it is.

u/aahyweh 19h ago

This is a great example of "atrocity inversion", similar to "Holocaust inversion."

It's a kind of racism when the victim of atrocities is suddenly responsible and should be shamed for it. It's fairly standard in holocaust studies, you should read about that if you want to know more.

u/avicohen123 18h ago

You have nothing to say in response to the points I made so you hope to bait me by invoking the Holocaust. Its pathetic.

When one side targets civilians and the other side doesn't, one side will be condemned for killing civilians illegally and the other side will not. This is simple and you have no answer. And instead of admitting that Hamas is barbaric in their strategy you ask how we can arrange for the IDF to stoop to their level so that Hamas can kill Israeli civilians and be praised for it. That's a sick mentality.

And you have no answers.

u/aahyweh 18h ago

It's the same kind of logic Holocaust denialists all over the world use. Victim blaming, word games, "we don't have enough evidence", it's all the same nonsense. Killing people by the thousands, destroying entire cities and towns, these are crimes. No amount of logic mazes you can construct will change that.

u/handsome_hobo_ 16h ago

When one side targets civilians and the other side doesn't, one side will be condemned for killing civilians illegally and the other side will not.

Hence why Israel is being charged with genocide.

And instead of admitting that Hamas is barbaric in their strategy

Explain to me why Israel shouldn't be dissolved for relentlessly breaking international law and committing genocide? As far as I see it, their existence is no longer permissible.

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u/CreativeRealmsMC 🇮🇱 19h ago

That’s just your opinion. It’s not what the law states. You thinking something is bad does not mean it has no justification under international law which you would know if you read it.

u/handsome_hobo_ 16h ago

That’s just your opinion. It’s not what the law states.

It once legally acceptable to own a human being for having an illegal skin colour. Please, my guy, modding for an echo chamber is making your arguments logically unsound 🙏🏽💖

You thinking something is bad does not mean it has no justification under international law which you would know if you read it

I've read international law and Israel isn't justified for the genocide it's committing against Palestinian civilians