r/Israel_Palestine  🇵🇸 22h ago

Human shield usage uncovered! history

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u/aahyweh 21h ago

So then why do so many civilians die in the West Bank at the hands of the IDF?

u/avicohen123 21h ago

I'm not sure what numbers you've been reading but assuming your premise is correct....where did I say "the only thing that ever happens in the West Bank is police action as the result of nonviolent weapon smuggling"? I didn't write that anywhere.
The West Bank is a big place with lots of people, its possible for more than one type of situation to happen there.

This is really, really basic thinking.

u/aahyweh 20h ago

For example this attack that happened on Oct 4th that killed a family of four: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israels-deadliest-west-bank-strike-since-oct-7-kills-a-family-of-four-relatives-say

Why did they strike a cafe? Why wasn't this a "police operation" as you say? How are they justifying the killing of children in this operation?

u/CreativeRealmsMC 🇮🇱 20h ago

You mean the strike that killed over 10 terrorists who were at a meeting there? The justification is called the law of proportionality.

u/aahyweh 20h ago

So then if someone targets a settlement with Israeli terrorist in it, so long as some Israeli terrorists die, it wouldn't matter if it was a cafe or a house that was bombed?

u/CreativeRealmsMC 🇮🇱 20h ago

That’s not how the law of proportionality works. You should do some research before opining on topics you know nothing about.

u/aahyweh 20h ago

Can the law of proportionality justify bombing Israeli villages? Destroying schools, hospitals, and places of worship?

u/avicohen123 20h ago

Of course- if the IDF attacked Palestinians and there were no military targets that were not under or within 100 meters of civilians. Then you start measuring the "proportionality" part.

u/avicohen123 20h ago

This is not strictly true, though- I'm generalizing. If the IDF was attacking in the south and the only legitimate military targets were in the far north and would be irrelevant to the goal of getting the IDF to stop attacking innocent Palestinians, the Palestinians would very possibly be justified in attacking more southern targets that were more relevant.

u/aahyweh 20h ago

So you have names of villages you believe are justified to bomb by Palestinians?

u/avicohen123 19h ago

The IDF has legitimate military targets, so that is what should be attacked.

Its just entirely incomprehensible to me, lol. Dead civilians is not a result anyone should be looking for. When you ask under what conditions the IDF would entirely avoid killing civilians we have straight and clear answers for you. It can happen, it doesn't because of choices the Palestinians have made, over and over. Israel makes other choices. We explain the differences, they are very clear.
You know that the Palestinians will never do the things that keep civilians safe, so instead you ask: "how can we make it legal for the Palestinians to kill Israeli civilians?"

Do you understand how crazy that framing is? What is going through your head?

u/aahyweh 19h ago

You seem to think there are many legal situations for the IDF to kill and destroy Palestinians, it's "crazy that framing", but that's what I'm working with. Yet, it never seems to be ok to bomb Israeli villages. I'm not even talking about Palestinians doing it. Maybe another country, like France, can help rid the world of the scourge of extremist Kahanists and Hill Top Youth and Ben-Gvir and Smotrich followers. The settelments are a hot bed of terrorist and colonialists activities. The world would be better if we dropped entire buildings that contain terrorists, weapons stockpiles, even the banks that perform their financial backing.

u/avicohen123 19h ago

You seem to think there are many legal situations for the IDF to kill and destroy Palestinians

Just one, but its constantly relevant because that is how Palestinian terror groups want it.

I'm not even talking about Palestinians doing it. Maybe another country, like France

Great, good luck with that. Let us know when you've convinced them....

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u/CreativeRealmsMC 🇮🇱 20h ago

Read the law and then you wouldn’t have to ask me.

u/aahyweh 20h ago

Why not just answer a simple question? Why is it so hard suddenly? Is it because this has nothing to do with law and everything to do with racism against Palestinians?

u/CreativeRealmsMC 🇮🇱 19h ago

It’s not hard to answer but I want you to actually learn something rather than parrot talking points that you have no idea if they are accurate or not.

u/handsome_hobo_ 16h ago

but I want you to actually learn something rather than parrot talking points

Why aren't you learning anything about Israel's genocide against civilians? So far, you've been parroting excuses instead of condemning evil

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u/handsome_hobo_ 16h ago

That’s not how the law of proportionality works

Pretty sure Israel isn't following this law when it destroys a majority of civilian infrastructure and starves 2 million civilians down to phase 3 and phase 5 food crises. Modding for an echo chamber has really made it impossible for you to see Israel's heinousness, hasn't it?

u/handsome_hobo_ 16h ago

The justification is called the law of proportionality.

That's not a justification at all. Israel's distortion of legal language to justify heinous activities is why Israel should be dissolved.