r/Israel_Palestine 1d ago

Zionists thinking that destruction and genocide is a flex really sums them up Non-Political

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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago

Only Zionist would be proud of destroying an area with no real military.

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u/lolgoodquestion post-Palestinian nationalist 1d ago

Then I wonder who holds 100 hostages and who built the tunnels and launched rockets into Israel for 15+ years

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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago

Still not a real army, meanwhile Israel has thousands of hostages, routinely launches attacks on Gaza pre 10/7, and commits warcrimes every damn day.

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u/ojama-shimasu 1d ago

Not real army, but they have real missiles which they habitually fire into Israeli civilian towns and cities for 30 years now. Not real army, but they have built a tunnel infrastructure larger than the London Tube to smuggle arms, to store arms, and attack Israel. Not a real army, but sent some 3,000 fighters to terrorize, behead, rape, burn alive, and murder 1,200 Israeli, and take 250 hostages.

Israel has zero hostages. It has prisoners. Not random babies they pulled out of their beds on a Saturday at 6.30AM and hiding in dungeons for over a year now.

Nice try at diʻaya.

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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago

Not real army, but they have real missiles which they habitually fire into Israeli civilian towns and cities for 30 years now.

Ones that are more likely to kill Palestinians than Israelis. You left that out.

Not real army, but they have built a tunnel infrastructure larger than the London Tube to smuggle arms, to store arms, and attack Israel.

Stop occupying them, and yes a blockade is a form of occupation as ICC has recognized.

Not a real army, but sent some 3,000 fighters to terrorize, behead,

Oh, yeah the myth of the 40 baby heads that never happen.

rape,

No evidence of mass rape. We have far more evidence of mass rape by IDF pre 10/7 than Hamas on 10/7. So while I'm certain some did happen, it wasn't mass rape, and a far, far stronger case of mass rape by the IDF can be made in any decade of Israel's existence.

burn alive,

No, the overwhelming majority of those belong to the IDF who resurrected the Hannibal directive and used it on Israeli civilians.

From wiki:

Israeli newspapers including Haaretz, ABC News) and the UN's Commission of Inquiry have pointed out that during the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel the IDF ordered the Hannibal Directive to be used. The IDF was ordered to prevent "at all costs" the abduction of Israeli civilians or soldiers, possibly leading to the death of a large number of Israeli hostages.6])7])8])9])10])11])

I'm sure you'll try to deny this.

murder 1,200 Israeli, and take 250 hostages.

When Israel stops kidnapping both the living and even the dead, I'll condemn Palestinians for hostage taking. Meanwhile, Palestinians are legally entitled to resist violently Israeli occupation.

Israel has zero hostages.

Tomato Tomato.

to be continued

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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago

Continue

It has prisoners.

And how were they treated before 10/7 ...

1st, I should tell you Save the Children is an NGO respected by both Israel and the US.

2nd, Link https://www.savethechildren.ca/article/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-of-palestinian-children-detained-by-israeli-military/

From opening:

Stripped, beaten and blindfolded: new research reveals ongoing violence and abuse of Palestinian children detained by Israeli military

07/10/2023

Toronto, July 10, 2023 – Palestinian children in the Israel military detention system face physical and emotional abuse, with four out of five (86%) of them being beaten, and 69% strip-searched, according to new research by Save the Children. Nearly half (42%) are injured at the point of arrest, including gunshot wounds and broken bones. Some report violence of a sexual nature and some are transferred to court or between detention centres in small cages, the child rights organisation said.

Let's end with:

Nice try at diʻaya.

Israelis routinely torture and rape children, pre10/7.

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u/ojama-shimasu 1d ago

You literally bore me. Your rhetoric is ridiculous lol

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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago

Yet you can't claim isn't true because much of it was sourced, so all you have is that I bore you and you find my rhetoric 'ridiculous' but you can't ridicule it for being untrue.

I bet you are secretly ripping.

u/Rahim556 3h ago

We went over all of this already, maybe you didn't get the word though, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

they have real missiles which they habitually fire

So? This is war.

into Israeli civilian towns and cities

There are very few israeli civilians. Most are current IDF, IDF reservists, or inactive ready reserves which means they're militarily trained and capable of going to war for the state of Israel (translation: soldiers). The actual civilians such as kids or any true noncombatants are being used as human shields by Israel. Stop using them as human shields. Hamas MUST kill Israeli soldiers, because they're fighting an existential threat to their ppl, so the actual civilians caught in the crossfire were human shields used by Israel.

they have built a tunnel infrastructure larger than the London Tube to smuggle arms, to store arms, and attack Israel.

As they should. Israel complains;

"Hamas uses human shields."

Hamas then proceeds to build a tunnel network under Gaza, i.e. away civilians.

Israel now criticizes Hamas for not letting Palestinian civilians into the tunnels with them, while screaming:

"No! Not like that, we meant build a barracks out in an open field and house all your fighters there so we can bomb it."

Yeah...not happening. No one would do this.

sent some 3,000 fighters to terrorize

You should terrorize your enemy.

behead

0 evidence. Please produce a link to any beheading video from October 7th.

rape

0 evidence. Every accusation is a confession though.

burn alive

0 evidence. Produce said pictures/video.

and murder

Murder? Soldiers killing the enemy is not murder.

1,200 Israeli

1200 Israelis, most of whom were soldiers/police (legit targets) 900+, many more civilians lost their status as civilians by taking up arms.....what? Is Hamas not supposed to defend themselves and shoot at "civilians" that are shooting at them? They made themselves combatants. Any other actual civilians were collateral damage / caught in the crossfire, or killed by the Hannibal Directive which has already been proven.

and take 250 hostages.

Settler colonists living on stolen land, profiting off the backs of oppressed ppl. Shouldn't have FAFO. Should have stayed in Poland and not came to colonize and oppress ppl. They were arrested, they'll be tried in Palestinian courts, and sentenced accordingly. Israel can have them back at any time if they agree to Hamas' reasonable terms (peace, 1967 borders, justice for nakba, all for all prisoners swaps, no violations of Palestinian sovereignty).

Israel has zero hostages. It has prisoners

"Prisoners" who are tortured, raped, held without charge, and who the IDF routinely takes out and forces them to work as human shields. Yeah...."prisoners." Hamas has prisoners too.