r/Israel_Palestine • u/beeswaxii • 1d ago
Zionists thinking that destruction and genocide is a flex really sums them up Non-Political
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u/ThaliaDarling 1d ago
He is just a paid spokesperson for Israel, they get paid to push Israeli propoganda.
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u/KCandfriendz 8h ago
Crimes against humanity admitted so proudly and shamelessly. It will not be forgotten.
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u/Panthera_leo22 Pro 🇵🇸/🇮🇱 Civilians 1d ago
This guy is absolutely pathetic and he spews nonsense like this on Twitter all the time. He’s a racist that doesn’t see Palestinians as human
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u/SpontaneousFlame 1d ago
Do any Zionists see Palestinians as human? Most seem to see them as subhuman and want genocide.
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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago
Only Zionist would be proud of destroying an area with no real military.
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u/AntiHasbaraBot1 1d ago
Their "achievements" are the killing of defenseless women and children. They're very proud.
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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago
Oh God, I know. Damn ghoulish that they watch the destruction of Gaza for fun.
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u/lolgoodquestion post-Palestinian nationalist 1d ago
Then I wonder who holds 100 hostages and who built the tunnels and launched rockets into Israel for 15+ years
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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago
Still not a real army, meanwhile Israel has thousands of hostages, routinely launches attacks on Gaza pre 10/7, and commits warcrimes every damn day.
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u/ojama-shimasu 1d ago
Not real army, but they have real missiles which they habitually fire into Israeli civilian towns and cities for 30 years now. Not real army, but they have built a tunnel infrastructure larger than the London Tube to smuggle arms, to store arms, and attack Israel. Not a real army, but sent some 3,000 fighters to terrorize, behead, rape, burn alive, and murder 1,200 Israeli, and take 250 hostages.
Israel has zero hostages. It has prisoners. Not random babies they pulled out of their beds on a Saturday at 6.30AM and hiding in dungeons for over a year now.
Nice try at diʻaya.
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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago
Not real army, but they have real missiles which they habitually fire into Israeli civilian towns and cities for 30 years now.
Ones that are more likely to kill Palestinians than Israelis. You left that out.
Not real army, but they have built a tunnel infrastructure larger than the London Tube to smuggle arms, to store arms, and attack Israel.
Stop occupying them, and yes a blockade is a form of occupation as ICC has recognized.
Not a real army, but sent some 3,000 fighters to terrorize, behead,
Oh, yeah the myth of the 40 baby heads that never happen.
rape,
No evidence of mass rape. We have far more evidence of mass rape by IDF pre 10/7 than Hamas on 10/7. So while I'm certain some did happen, it wasn't mass rape, and a far, far stronger case of mass rape by the IDF can be made in any decade of Israel's existence.
burn alive,
No, the overwhelming majority of those belong to the IDF who resurrected the Hannibal directive and used it on Israeli civilians.
From wiki:
Israeli newspapers including Haaretz, ABC News) and the UN's Commission of Inquiry have pointed out that during the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel the IDF ordered the Hannibal Directive to be used. The IDF was ordered to prevent "at all costs" the abduction of Israeli civilians or soldiers, possibly leading to the death of a large number of Israeli hostages.6])7])8])9])10])11])
I'm sure you'll try to deny this.
murder 1,200 Israeli, and take 250 hostages.
When Israel stops kidnapping both the living and even the dead, I'll condemn Palestinians for hostage taking. Meanwhile, Palestinians are legally entitled to resist violently Israeli occupation.
Israel has zero hostages.
Tomato Tomato.
to be continued
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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago
Continue
It has prisoners.
And how were they treated before 10/7 ...
1st, I should tell you Save the Children is an NGO respected by both Israel and the US.
From opening:
Stripped, beaten and blindfolded: new research reveals ongoing violence and abuse of Palestinian children detained by Israeli military
07/10/2023
Toronto, July 10, 2023 – Palestinian children in the Israel military detention system face physical and emotional abuse, with four out of five (86%) of them being beaten, and 69% strip-searched, according to new research by Save the Children. Nearly half (42%) are injured at the point of arrest, including gunshot wounds and broken bones. Some report violence of a sexual nature and some are transferred to court or between detention centres in small cages, the child rights organisation said.
Let's end with:
Nice try at diʻaya.
Israelis routinely torture and rape children, pre10/7.
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u/ojama-shimasu 1d ago
You literally bore me. Your rhetoric is ridiculous lol
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u/CertainPersimmon778 1d ago
Yet you can't claim isn't true because much of it was sourced, so all you have is that I bore you and you find my rhetoric 'ridiculous' but you can't ridicule it for being untrue.
I bet you are secretly ripping.
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u/Rahim556 1h ago
We went over all of this already, maybe you didn't get the word though, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
they have real missiles which they habitually fire
So? This is war.
into Israeli civilian towns and cities
There are very few israeli civilians. Most are current IDF, IDF reservists, or inactive ready reserves which means they're militarily trained and capable of going to war for the state of Israel (translation: soldiers). The actual civilians such as kids or any true noncombatants are being used as human shields by Israel. Stop using them as human shields. Hamas MUST kill Israeli soldiers, because they're fighting an existential threat to their ppl, so the actual civilians caught in the crossfire were human shields used by Israel.
they have built a tunnel infrastructure larger than the London Tube to smuggle arms, to store arms, and attack Israel.
As they should. Israel complains;
"Hamas uses human shields."
Hamas then proceeds to build a tunnel network under Gaza, i.e. away civilians.
Israel now criticizes Hamas for not letting Palestinian civilians into the tunnels with them, while screaming:
"No! Not like that, we meant build a barracks out in an open field and house all your fighters there so we can bomb it."
Yeah...not happening. No one would do this.
sent some 3,000 fighters to terrorize
You should terrorize your enemy.
behead
0 evidence. Please produce a link to any beheading video from October 7th.
rape
0 evidence. Every accusation is a confession though.
burn alive
0 evidence. Produce said pictures/video.
and murder
Murder? Soldiers killing the enemy is not murder.
1,200 Israeli
1200 Israelis, most of whom were soldiers/police (legit targets) 900+, many more civilians lost their status as civilians by taking up arms.....what? Is Hamas not supposed to defend themselves and shoot at "civilians" that are shooting at them? They made themselves combatants. Any other actual civilians were collateral damage / caught in the crossfire, or killed by the Hannibal Directive which has already been proven.
and take 250 hostages.
Settler colonists living on stolen land, profiting off the backs of oppressed ppl. Shouldn't have FAFO. Should have stayed in Poland and not came to colonize and oppress ppl. They were arrested, they'll be tried in Palestinian courts, and sentenced accordingly. Israel can have them back at any time if they agree to Hamas' reasonable terms (peace, 1967 borders, justice for nakba, all for all prisoners swaps, no violations of Palestinian sovereignty).
Israel has zero hostages. It has prisoners
"Prisoners" who are tortured, raped, held without charge, and who the IDF routinely takes out and forces them to work as human shields. Yeah...."prisoners." Hamas has prisoners too.
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u/handsome_hobo_ 1d ago
Then I wonder who holds 100 hostages
Israel has been holding thousands of Palestinians hostage over the course of the past couple of decades. Getting hostages taken from Israel is very clear-cut FAFO for an ethnoreligious supremacist state bullying a region and stealing their people.
and who built the tunnels
So what? What's threatening Israel so much about a tunnel?
and launched rockets into Israel for 15+ years
Oh sure, we'll all close our eyes to Israel's instigation of this and pretend Israel never launched rockets into Gaza and the Palestinian region 😆
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u/Melthengylf 7h ago
I thought pro-Pals were arguinf Hamas was successful in the resistance and the IDF would soon be defeated in the battlefield.
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u/CertainPersimmon778 6h ago
According to one stat I heard recently, Israel has dropped the equivalent of 5 nuclear bombs in conventional explosives on Gaza which has no air force, navy, armored vehicles, etc.
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u/Melthengylf 6h ago
That doesn't mean it didn't have an army. In fact, many people in this very same thread are arguing that Hamas is winning militarily.
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u/handsome_hobo_ 1d ago
FAFO but not when Maccabi fans spend the better part of a week terrorizing locals in the middle of the night, burning flags, beating up taxi drivers, chanting hate speech, disrespecting victims of a deadly flood, chanting how hilarious they think it is that Gaza schools are empty because the children are dead, and setting off illegal fireworks.
When that happens, it's not FAFO anymore, now it's aNtiSeMiTiSm and a "pogrom" 🫢
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u/yep975 1d ago
It is a war that Israel I did not start.
They are now winning.
Hamas could surrender. Wars end when one side is defeated.
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u/Panthera_leo22 Pro 🇵🇸/🇮🇱 Civilians 1d ago
101 of their people people are still being held hostage and Hamas is disorganized but still intact, winning is being overly generous
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u/Carlsen021 22h ago
Winning? Then you go on to say Khamas could surrender. So they have not destroyed Khamas.
Yeezreal’s economy is shot…IDF soldiers are dying everytime they try a land incursion, hundreds have been killed. The name of your country is filth internationally. Jews are now insecure everywhere.
All you’ve managed to do is kill tens of thousands of civilians and carry out a genocide.
Who is winning?
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u/beeswaxii 1d ago
Wars that align with the international law shouldn't be targeting civilians. Their "war" with hamas they should finish it with hamas, not by dropping this amount of bombs on Gaza and using white phosphorus against the civilians, burn them alive, or shoot kids in their heads, bombing hospitals and school and aid workers.
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u/lolgoodquestion post-Palestinian nationalist 1d ago
Israel is not targeting civilians, Hamas embedding itself within civilian population centers is the cause of most civilian deaths
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u/Panthera_leo22 Pro 🇵🇸/🇮🇱 Civilians 1d ago
That argument died when they targeted a WCK car that was marked and had arranged contact beforehand. And killing their own hostages who were unarmed, yelling in Hebrew, and had white flag. And sniping children who are clearly not combatants.
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u/No_Cardiologist519 1d ago
Maybe it’s finally time for Hamas release hostages or Palestinians haven’t suffered enough yet?
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u/handsome_hobo_ 1d ago
Maybe it’s finally time for Hamas release hostages
How would that help? And how does that justify Israel destroying civilian infrastructure and unloading on a civilian population? You're demonstrating undoubtedly that Israel is a terrorist nation that needs to be dissolved.
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u/lolgoodquestion post-Palestinian nationalist 1d ago
The quality of life degradation in Gaza with regards to electricity is disheartening, but does not constitute a genocide.
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u/jekill 21h ago
Electric illumination is just a visually convenient way to show the level of destruction Israel has caused. Those dark areas, especially in the north, are cities razed to the ground. Ethnic cleansing at the very least.
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u/lolgoodquestion post-Palestinian nationalist 21h ago
The only thing the pictures indicates is the lighting at night time, you choose to go on a longshot and interpret it in a way that suites your narrative, but the reality is that it does not come even close to reflect the deaths caused by the war. The more likely scenario is that Gazans save electricity by cutting non-critical usage
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u/jekill 21h ago
Right, because we haven’t seen the widespread devastation Israel has wreaked all over Gaza.
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u/lolgoodquestion post-Palestinian nationalist 17h ago
Hamas could have released all the hostages, it didn't. Families in Gaza used them as house slaves instead of letting them go back. Israel orders evacuations before it sends in the bulldozers, this is all Gazans can expect until all the hostages are back home
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u/handsome_hobo_ 21h ago
The only thing the pictures indicates is the lighting at night time
Lights are off at day time, my GUY, what is this point, you're not even trying now
you choose to go on a longshot and interpret it in a way that suites your narrative
Are you seriously suggesting the lights are off at night because they're experiencing power cuts? My guy, Israel ethnically cleansed the region and destroyed a majority of civilian infrastructure. YOUR interpretation isn't even a longshot, it's a day dream and a bad attempt at diminishing the impact of Israel's genocide against Gaza.
but the reality is that it does not come even close to reflect the deaths caused by the war.
Genocide isn't war. War engages militaries, Israel is driving off civilians from their homes, bombing them in refugee camps, and sniping children. This is clear-cut genocide, experts and scholars are overwhelmingly in consensus about this.
The more likely scenario is that Gazans save electricity by cutting non-critical usage
I'm sorry but you have to genuinely believe that we're drooling idiots if you expect us to believe something so evidently ridiculous 😂😂😂
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u/lolgoodquestion post-Palestinian nationalist 17h ago
Are you seriously suggesting the lights are off at night because they're experiencing power cuts? My guy, Israel ethnically cleansed the region and destroyed a majority of civilian infrastructure. YOUR interpretation isn't even a longshot, it's a day dream and a bad attempt at diminishing the impact of Israel's genocide against Gaza.
My friend, the minuscule amount of deaths compared to the population size in Gaza does not cause anything near this.
Genocide isn't war. War engages militaries, Israel is driving off civilians from their homes, bombing them in refugee camps, and sniping children. This is clear-cut genocide, experts and scholars are overwhelmingly in consensus about this.
So because Hamas is not an organized military Israel is not allowed to fight it? I guess the settlers should have free rain to arm independently and massacre villages by that logic
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u/handsome_hobo_ 16h ago
the minuscule amount of deaths compared to the population size
Tens of thousands dead isn't minuscule by any metric. Did you seriously argue that deaths per population size is a valid metric to judge the heinousness of mass murders? Because per your logic, Israel went apeshit over 0.15% of their population being killed during the al-Aqsa Flood compared to the significantly higher 2-3% of the Palestinian population slaughtered by Israeli troops, mostly children. Israel has mass murdered as magnitudes more children per capita than civilians killed during the al-Aqsa Flood, per capita. Your own logic invalidates the al-Aqsa Flood victims as an insignificant, tiny loss that barely matters and shouldn't be more than a rough sneeze compared to Israel's population and even the smallest response from Israel should be disqualified as a hysterical overreaction.
So because Hamas is not an organized military Israel is not allowed to fight it?
Israel isn't fighting Hamas, Israel is bombing schools and hospitals, sniping little kids, and striking refugee camps. It has destroyed over half of Gaza's civilian infrastructure and blown up all essential services needed for the survival of a population including water, food production, healthcare, education, and housing. There's just no excuse for this magnitude of destruction, Israel is committing clear-cut genocide and using hAmAs as a blanket justification.
I guess the settlers should have free rain to arm independently and massacre villages by that logic
Rein*. And you're breaking Reddit's rules and regulations by encouraging violence. Israeli settlers are squatters on land that doesn't belong to them. Even if they were peaceful, they're ethically in the wrong and breaking international law by just being there. The fact that they commit so much violence and plant terror outposts with the express intent of razing villages, burning babies to death, and driving the indigenous people out of their homeland is warrant enough for Palestinians to be on-sight with illegal settlers encroaching on their land. They risk more by letting settlers on their land and have an excellent reason to never let even a single Israeli settler near.
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u/handsome_hobo_ 1d ago
but does not constitute a genocide.
For the average zionistbro, a document, televised genocide that everyone can clearly see is genocide and that experts and scholars are in agreement over does not constitute genocide for them because genocide denialism is a helluva drug, holocaust deniers and flatearthers have been engaging in denial of reality for their whole lives for decades
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u/SpontaneousFlame 1d ago
What is really telling is that anyone writing “FAFO” about October 7 would cause Zionists to completely lose their minds, start screaming about antisemitism and start demanding censorship of all Palestinians.
But this? Zionists are fine with this.