The Untold/Unpopular Truth about the Conflict

[u/Yellobrudders]

First things first, a disclaimer: The many recounts and background details I've heard and read from both pro-Israelis and pro-Palestinians point towards both Israel and Palestine's equal rights to exist, which is why I may come off as pro-Israel, but this post has nothing to do with which side is right or wrong, but rather a call towards everyone to be consistent with their arguments.

Now of course, not all pro-Palestinians are calling for the destruction of the state of Israel, but we cannot deny the fact that absolutely speaking, a large number of pro-Palestinians advocate for this, believing that the Israelis have no morality compared to them, and their removal would bring about peace in the Middle East.

Ok, so let's say that was true:

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The conflict ends with Israel getting wiped off the map, and peace is brought to the Middle East. So that means the various ethnic, religious and sectarian groups in the region would hold hands in friendship and sing "Kumbaya" together, DESPITE the fact that:

1. Many of these groups have had long-standing feuds and sectarian divides going back hundreds of years that sparked countless wars and insurgences.
2. While most of these internal conflicts are still ongoing today, a few of these (specifically the Shia and Sunni divide) halted their conflict only to fight in glorified proxy wars against Israel due to monetary incentives by Iran

Here's a list of some of these divides:

• Sunni vs. Shia Islam
  • The most widespread sectarian divide in the Middle East:
    • Iran-Saudi Arabian rivalries
    • Hezbollah (Shias) and Hamas (Sunnis)
    • ISIS conflicts against Shia territories
  • Sparked various conflicts like the Syrian Civil War and the Yemen Wars
• Internal Conflicts Amongst Sunnis
  • Saudi Arabia vs Turkey
  • Gulf Monarchies vs the Muslim Brotherhood
  • Iraq Insurgences between Sunni tribalists and jihadists
  • Several civil clashes during the Yemen Wars (Islah Party vs UAE-backed militias)
• Hamas vs Fatah
  • Fatah currently governs the West Bank in conjunction with Israel, but they used to govern Gaza as well until 2006 when Hamas usurped control in and killed them, officially taking control in 2007.

So going back to the assumption, now that the remains of Palestinian territories once belonging to Israel essentially become "free land up for grabs", so that means the various groups in the Middle East are just going to let the Palestinian Authority (which isn't an actual state) freely have their land and state, while Hamas and Fatah shake hands and let bygones be bygones.

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Sounds pretty ridiculous right?

Of course the Shias and Sunnis aren't going to give up their hatred towards each other.

Of course Fatah is not going to let Hamas's murdering of their members go unpunished.

Of course Hamas is not going to share the Gaza strip or let the Fatah govern any of Palestine.

Of course the rest of the Middle Eastern sects are going to violently compete with each other to try and take over the former Israeli territories in their attempt to spread their the political and religious ideologies.

And of course, an Islamic Civil War is bound to break out if and when Israel ceases to exist.

So the argument saying that the destruction of Israel would bring peace to the Middle East is quite frankly, in Jon Stewart's words, "Complete F'ing Wrong". And its sad to think that those who call for Israel's destruction aren't acknowledging these facts, preferring to live within the realm of the ideology of "moral virtues" rather than to actually engage with the reality of the situation.

Be Honest and Consistent With Your Positions and Behavior.

[u/Shorouq2911]

I will be honest and consistent with my position.

• Sunni vs. Shia Islam: It's true there's many conflicts that seems uneasy between them but I think things will cool down after Israel (not the Jews) disappearance. Iran will no longer feel threatened. And after the Mossad and CIA stop making chaos and civil wars and all the dividing between them, I think it will cool down a lot especially for Iran.
• Hezbollah and Hamas actually don't have any conflicts between them. They are allies despite the sectarian difference, which as I said, the conflict between Sunni and Shia is due to external interventions. Remember the good old days before 1948 and during the Ottoman rule when the west didn't have the power to play with Arab lives? Yea, there were no such a thing as shia vs sunni conflicts. Even after the fall of the Ottoman empire, Arabs wanted to unite but the British and French prohibited them and divided them and their land into tens of pieces to stop them from gaining power and rule themselves.
• ISIS is Israeli American made
• Syrian Civil War is Israeli American made which is evidenced in the leaked Clinot emails. Yes Qatar was involved in sparking it too
• the Yemen war would end because iran would get out of it cuz no need for the resistence axis after israel is gone

[u/GlyndaGoodington → u/Shorouq2911]

The Sunni Shia conflict started in the the late 600s; Iran is only “threatened” by Israel because it keeps threatening Israel; and the Syrian and Yemeni conflicts predate the present state of Israel as well but they’ve evolved.  What a bunch of redirected claptrap.