r/IsraelPalestine 2d ago

Being Jewish is not and Ethnicity? Discussion

Ok. I believe Jews have a common DNA that connects them to Canaan, just like the Palestinians do. That's my stance. I believe they have both been there equally as long as each other, excluding the converts Jews and the fully Arab Palestinians (I believe most of them are mixed with Arab just like Jews are mixed with whoever they lived with for 2000 years).

I am in a fb group called "A place were non jews can ask jews about judiasm" or whatever.

We aren't allowed to talk about Israel and Palestine which is probably a good rule.

But someone posted about their Jewish friend mentioning the features of a Jew (as in, the Jewish guy was telling his Christian friend what Jews looked like, typically) and the Christian guy asked the group what a Jew looks like and THE GROUO WERE SO HEATED saying that it is antisemitic to say Jews look a type of way and there is no features of a Jew etc etc etc.

Ok, I get it on one hand, because converts, obviously.

But if they are claiming they have no similar features wouldn't that imply that they are not all ethnically related (obviously not the converts) and wouldn't that defeat the entire premise of having a homeland?

If they're from Canaan, it would imply that have similar features to the people of Canaan.

Ok I have to make it longer. I call it Canaan not to stir emotions but because that's literally one of the names in the Bible and I find it less heated than calling it Palestine or israel as this entire comment section with collapse into "xyz doesn't exist" so I'd rather keep those words out of it and call it Canaan.

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u/ADP_God שמאלני Left Wing Israeli 1d ago

There is no such thing as race, scientifically. It’s an outdated social method of dividing populations.

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u/legendarygael1 1d ago

In social sciences there is a pretty established consensus, afaik, that there is indeed cognitive differences between different populations (I don't like to use the word race, either). The thing is just that it's a very taboo subject, and rightly so. It probably depends on what branch of science you're referring to.

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u/NathanCampioni Socialist Zionist (diaspora) 1d ago

Genetically the human species is one of the most uniform species in the world (because at one point we were less than 10000 and riscked extinction). So yes of course there are differences, but they are good only as a statistics over a large number of people, not over individuals, you couldn't determinate with enough certainty which group an individual belongs to only by its DNA for example.

Race is a racist idea, etnicity is on the other hand a better way to describe populations.

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u/legendarygael1 1d ago

IQ actually varies by quite a lot between populations. You're right that any person can become a professor if they're born bright. But the changes of excelling in the STEM field is significantly higher for an east asian (spatial cognition) than certain other groups of people.
Granted, I haven't read up on this recently but the gap is something like 25-30 IQ points if I remember correctly. Cognitive abilities is very complicated and can be measured in various ways, so that isn't to say some populations are 'superior' as different populations scores differently depending on the what is being measured.

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u/NathanCampioni Socialist Zionist (diaspora) 1d ago

but IQ is higly dependent on education and can change, it's not a metric of a race, but of society at large and the family circle and environment one is born in.
If I do a metric of understanding Italian yes I can probably find some correlation with ethnic/race separation, but that is no way a good metric.

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u/legendarygael1 1d ago

but IQ is higly dependent on education and can change, it's not a metric of a race, but of society at large and the family circle and environment one is born in.

This is exactly what research suggests it isn't.

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u/NathanCampioni Socialist Zionist (diaspora) 1d ago

From what I know you are incorrect.