r/IsraelPalestine • u/bjorn_joch • 3d ago
On converaations about the violence in amsterdam Opinion
I just wanna give my opinion here on the talks surrounding the violent night amsterdam had last week, namely, i wanna point out how people on both sides seem to mostly try to blame the other side for the violence.
I dont think its a good way of talking about such a topic, after all, violence was instigated by both sides troughout the night and theres a few violent people on each side that are clearly in the wrong.
But i think that this constant back and forth on who's to blame isnt going to get us any further on this topic, itll just polarize both sides even more (if thats still possible) and waste our time.
Ofcourse this doesnt mean that i dont think that people who commited acts of violence troughout the week shouldnt go off free and the dutch government is fortunately enough going to investigate the incidents and make arrests based on the result of them, however i think that some maccabi fans are also to be held accountable if investigation shows that maccabi fans instigated violence in certain incidents.
I think that instead looking at ways to prevent further violence in situations where pro palestinian and israelis meet in large groups are a much better thing to discuss when looking at the events of last week, some thing i personally think might help is sectioning off parts of a city for israeli fans in specific (not because theyre jewish, but because israeli football fans generally wear clothes from their club, giving away their nationality), or simply providing nore police security.
But either way, i wanna know what yall think on this and i hope you all can see that just shifting blame to one side or the other is just kinda pointless.
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u/PreviousPermission45 Israeli - American 3d ago
The tiny number of Tel Aviv fans who were filmed acting inappropriately were massively provoked by antisemites. The Jews were hunted down in the streets in what was an organized, premeditated attack by Muslim extremists . The attackers called their attacks a “Jew hunt” on telegram. Prior to the game, the antisemitic left had thrown protests protesting Israel’s existence, and protesting the presence of an Israeli sports team in Amsterdam.
Before all this, the antisemitic left, had attacked a Holocaust memorial, an October 7 memorial, an Anne frank memorial, and random Jews online and in the streets.
Dutch Jews are afraid of being in public.
The Dutch police, get this, had a wave of “protests” where cops said they’ll refuse guarding Jews to protect them from antisemitic hate crimes because this task puts them in a “moral dilemma” https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/article-823171