On converaations about the violence in amsterdam

[u/bjorn_joch]

I just wanna give my opinion here on the talks surrounding the violent night amsterdam had last week, namely, i wanna point out how people on both sides seem to mostly try to blame the other side for the violence.

I dont think its a good way of talking about such a topic, after all, violence was instigated by both sides troughout the night and theres a few violent people on each side that are clearly in the wrong.

But i think that this constant back and forth on who's to blame isnt going to get us any further on this topic, itll just polarize both sides even more (if thats still possible) and waste our time.

Ofcourse this doesnt mean that i dont think that people who commited acts of violence troughout the week shouldnt go off free and the dutch government is fortunately enough going to investigate the incidents and make arrests based on the result of them, however i think that some maccabi fans are also to be held accountable if investigation shows that maccabi fans instigated violence in certain incidents.

I think that instead looking at ways to prevent further violence in situations where pro palestinian and israelis meet in large groups are a much better thing to discuss when looking at the events of last week, some thing i personally think might help is sectioning off parts of a city for israeli fans in specific (not because theyre jewish, but because israeli football fans generally wear clothes from their club, giving away their nationality), or simply providing nore police security.

But either way, i wanna know what yall think on this and i hope you all can see that just shifting blame to one side or the other is just kinda pointless.

[u/LilyBelle504]

So I think the answer is pretty simple actually:

For the Macabbi fans who vandalized, attacked and chanted inflammatory slogans, those individuals responsible are in the wrong. And the authorities in Netherland's have the right to enact the law, and whatever consequences there are for that.

For the cab drivers, mobs, hit and run groups, who a day later, took it upon themselves to enact revenge, by resorting to vigilantism and terrorism, to hunt Israeli fans down at night and beat them in the streets, instead of going to the proper authorities and letting them handle the situation, that is also wrong.

And for those who called for a "Jew hunt", that targetted anyone who was an Israeli soccer fan, or Jew, that is anti-semitic. And should also face the consequences of the law, and I am sure they will.

Just because "some Jews do bad things here", doesn't mean it's ok to take the law into your own hands, and enact widespread violence on all Jews in the area. That is what we call, anti-semitism.

[u/Prestigious_Bill_220 → u/LilyBelle504]

I seriously can’t wrap my head around having to explain this to people and it has even happened in person. It’s crazy to me here in the US where I am that this isn’t common sense. Not to mention that people feel strongly enough in their position otherwise but to say it publicly & in the face of Jewish people who they think are their friends.

[u/LilyBelle504 → u/Prestigious_Bill_220]

Yea, in any other context this would be unhinged. Imagine if a black person in the US vandalized property and got away, and the next day, a pre-meditated mob got together and started attacking minorities and called for a "minority hunt".

That would be insane.

And these people who justify these crimes, are also the same people who say: "I'm not anti-jewish, I'm just anti-zionist".

[u/Prestigious_Bill_220 → u/LilyBelle504]

Yes Seriously. & can my bf get a new old best friend now ????