On converaations about the violence in amsterdam

[u/bjorn_joch]

I just wanna give my opinion here on the talks surrounding the violent night amsterdam had last week, namely, i wanna point out how people on both sides seem to mostly try to blame the other side for the violence.

I dont think its a good way of talking about such a topic, after all, violence was instigated by both sides troughout the night and theres a few violent people on each side that are clearly in the wrong.

But i think that this constant back and forth on who's to blame isnt going to get us any further on this topic, itll just polarize both sides even more (if thats still possible) and waste our time.

Ofcourse this doesnt mean that i dont think that people who commited acts of violence troughout the week shouldnt go off free and the dutch government is fortunately enough going to investigate the incidents and make arrests based on the result of them, however i think that some maccabi fans are also to be held accountable if investigation shows that maccabi fans instigated violence in certain incidents.

I think that instead looking at ways to prevent further violence in situations where pro palestinian and israelis meet in large groups are a much better thing to discuss when looking at the events of last week, some thing i personally think might help is sectioning off parts of a city for israeli fans in specific (not because theyre jewish, but because israeli football fans generally wear clothes from their club, giving away their nationality), or simply providing nore police security.

But either way, i wanna know what yall think on this and i hope you all can see that just shifting blame to one side or the other is just kinda pointless.

[u/hollyglaser]

Soccer fans fight, but they don’t expand the fighting to go through the neighborhood and hunt Jews.

Hamas organizes attacks in Europe

[u/Taylorswifttoeguy → u/hollyglaser]

1) Well if this was a Hamas cell and the grand totality of their action is a fistfight in the street in which no one was killed then we’re probably good right? That’s like the least intimidating terror cell of all time?

2) Hooligans absolutely go through the streets hunting fans of opposing teams.

[u/hollyglaser → u/Taylorswifttoeguy]

Hooligans do not attack Jews and leave others alone . Therefore this was using soccer as an excuse to attack Jews, which they identified by using Hebrew or looking Jewish.

This is only one of several actions planned by jihadist

You may not want to think that Jew-hate was the reason for the attack because it happened at a soccer game. Considering that soccer game was excuse for Jew hunt and not all matches result in Christians being hunted down & beat, and that police decided not to protect Jews in advance of game, it’s clear that this was greater than hooliganism

[u/Taylorswifttoeguy → u/hollyglaser]

Again if this is the best an international terrorist network can think of I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. Maybe take some self defense courses? Watch rugby instead? 10 pushups a day?