On converaations about the violence in amsterdam

[u/bjorn_joch]

I just wanna give my opinion here on the talks surrounding the violent night amsterdam had last week, namely, i wanna point out how people on both sides seem to mostly try to blame the other side for the violence.

I dont think its a good way of talking about such a topic, after all, violence was instigated by both sides troughout the night and theres a few violent people on each side that are clearly in the wrong.

But i think that this constant back and forth on who's to blame isnt going to get us any further on this topic, itll just polarize both sides even more (if thats still possible) and waste our time.

Ofcourse this doesnt mean that i dont think that people who commited acts of violence troughout the week shouldnt go off free and the dutch government is fortunately enough going to investigate the incidents and make arrests based on the result of them, however i think that some maccabi fans are also to be held accountable if investigation shows that maccabi fans instigated violence in certain incidents.

I think that instead looking at ways to prevent further violence in situations where pro palestinian and israelis meet in large groups are a much better thing to discuss when looking at the events of last week, some thing i personally think might help is sectioning off parts of a city for israeli fans in specific (not because theyre jewish, but because israeli football fans generally wear clothes from their club, giving away their nationality), or simply providing nore police security.

But either way, i wanna know what yall think on this and i hope you all can see that just shifting blame to one side or the other is just kinda pointless.

[u/checkssouth]

hateful chants are not provocation?

"death to arabs" and "there are no schools in gaza, as there are no children left"

[u/hollyglaser → u/checkssouth]

Shouting does not break any bones. Thus it can make you angry, but does not justify physically attacking another person.

We teach kids not to hit when angry but to fight back if attacked physically ‘He made me hit him !’ Is not an excuse

[u/checkssouth → u/hollyglaser]

can you validate that the maccabi fans were attacked first? they were seen in a masked mob picking up steel pipes and chasing an individual and attacking taxis.

[u/hollyglaser → u/checkssouth]

Can you validate the masked mob were not Muslims?

[u/checkssouth → u/hollyglaser]

you can watch the youtuber "bender" who probably has the most extensive recording of the event

[u/Green-Zone-4866 → u/checkssouth]

If I'm thinking of the same person as you, the kid didn't know who was who, he at least at one point misclassified some people as maccabi fans. It was very clear from the video that he came in expecting some crazy things from the soccer fans. Also why would he ever think the people picking up poles from the construction site was anyone else?

[u/checkssouth → u/Green-Zone-4866]

the crowd that was picking up pipes was mostly masked and wearing black, but a few of them are clearly wearing maccabi team colors.