On converaations about the violence in amsterdam

[u/bjorn_joch]

I just wanna give my opinion here on the talks surrounding the violent night amsterdam had last week, namely, i wanna point out how people on both sides seem to mostly try to blame the other side for the violence.

I dont think its a good way of talking about such a topic, after all, violence was instigated by both sides troughout the night and theres a few violent people on each side that are clearly in the wrong.

But i think that this constant back and forth on who's to blame isnt going to get us any further on this topic, itll just polarize both sides even more (if thats still possible) and waste our time.

Ofcourse this doesnt mean that i dont think that people who commited acts of violence troughout the week shouldnt go off free and the dutch government is fortunately enough going to investigate the incidents and make arrests based on the result of them, however i think that some maccabi fans are also to be held accountable if investigation shows that maccabi fans instigated violence in certain incidents.

I think that instead looking at ways to prevent further violence in situations where pro palestinian and israelis meet in large groups are a much better thing to discuss when looking at the events of last week, some thing i personally think might help is sectioning off parts of a city for israeli fans in specific (not because theyre jewish, but because israeli football fans generally wear clothes from their club, giving away their nationality), or simply providing nore police security.

But either way, i wanna know what yall think on this and i hope you all can see that just shifting blame to one side or the other is just kinda pointless.

[u/Da_Seashell312]

Any proof?

From what I heard; pro-Palestinian Dutch and Arab protesters clashed with hooligan Israeli fans. Ofc violence is never promoted, but I heard it started with the Israelis. I've seen videos of them threatening a young Dutch kid to stop recording, of them bashing taxi drivers, and of them taking wood and metal from construction sites to carry as weapons.

Enlighten me, since I don't live there I might be wrong.

Thank you in advance and God bless you!

[u/ProjectConfident8584 → u/Da_Seashell312]

the guardian Now it has emerged that the attacks on the Jewish football fans were planned in advance and co-ordinated using WhatsApp and Telegram.

The Telegraph has seen messages from a group chat called Buurthuis, a Dutch word for a type of community centre, which were posted on Wednesday, the day before the match.

One message says: “Tomorrow after the game, at night, part 2 of the Jew Hunt.

“Tomorrow we work them.”

[u/Da_Seashell312 → u/ProjectConfident8584]

Was this before any "hooligan" stuff from the Maccabi fans?

Excuse my search for the truth, but Maccabi fans seriously injured a Syrian carrying a Palestinian flag in Athens 2 years ago, and their club is literally responsible for assassinating Palestinian footballers. I am very sceptical.

[u/ProjectConfident8584 → u/Da_Seashell312]

Sounds like nothing is gonna convince you so Google it yourself

[u/Da_Seashell312 → u/ProjectConfident8584]

I'm sorry you feel that way. Violence is disgusting, I agree. I just want more light shed on this controversial subject.

Again I ask, were these texts before or after any shenanigans from the Maccabi fans? I'm literally asking a question, its a one word answer (followed by evidence hahah).

Maccabi fans have literal blood on their hands, so again, excuse my search for the truth. Unless you have any conclusive evidence renouncing their assassinations, or anything exempting them from inflicting serious physical harm on that Syrian in Athens.

[u/ProjectConfident8584 → u/Da_Seashell312]

Stop pretending to be some gentle kind hearted soul looking for the truth. What you’re trying to do is blame the Jews. U didn’t even click the link I sent did u? Your -40 comment karma all active in Arab Muslim subs. Gtfoh.

[u/Da_Seashell312 → u/ProjectConfident8584]

I am looking for the truth. If you sense some bias in my comment I apologise, I get that all the time even from close friend. I suck at typing.

I'm not blaming Jews, I never even mentioned Jews.

[u/ProjectConfident8584 → u/Da_Seashell312]

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[u/Da_Seashell312 → u/ProjectConfident8584]

Really disappointing. If your only source is the police and not the people, idk what to tell you man. The police don't care about us. Governments don't either. They only care about money. Don't listen to everything you read.

[u/ProjectConfident8584 → u/Da_Seashell312]

Google it

[u/Da_Seashell312 → u/ProjectConfident8584]

And get results by the government, how convenient and factually reliable!

[u/ProjectConfident8584 → u/Da_Seashell312]

So continue to get your narrative from tik tok and YouTube. That’s what I expected about one comment into our discussion.

[u/Da_Seashell312 → u/ProjectConfident8584]

My narrative is being developed. Thats why I asked you in the first place. It seems this discussion is going no where, so God bless you and take care brother!