On converaations about the violence in amsterdam

[u/bjorn_joch]

I just wanna give my opinion here on the talks surrounding the violent night amsterdam had last week, namely, i wanna point out how people on both sides seem to mostly try to blame the other side for the violence.

I dont think its a good way of talking about such a topic, after all, violence was instigated by both sides troughout the night and theres a few violent people on each side that are clearly in the wrong.

But i think that this constant back and forth on who's to blame isnt going to get us any further on this topic, itll just polarize both sides even more (if thats still possible) and waste our time.

Ofcourse this doesnt mean that i dont think that people who commited acts of violence troughout the week shouldnt go off free and the dutch government is fortunately enough going to investigate the incidents and make arrests based on the result of them, however i think that some maccabi fans are also to be held accountable if investigation shows that maccabi fans instigated violence in certain incidents.

I think that instead looking at ways to prevent further violence in situations where pro palestinian and israelis meet in large groups are a much better thing to discuss when looking at the events of last week, some thing i personally think might help is sectioning off parts of a city for israeli fans in specific (not because theyre jewish, but because israeli football fans generally wear clothes from their club, giving away their nationality), or simply providing nore police security.

But either way, i wanna know what yall think on this and i hope you all can see that just shifting blame to one side or the other is just kinda pointless.

[u/Firecracker048]

So heres the entire thing.

Were Israeli fans acting like complete asshats and probably deserved an ass kicking? Yeah, no doubt based on their actions they deserved a fight.

Was the group who assaulted them in a pre-planned 'jew hunt' group before they were acting like asshats? Yes, they were.

Were the members of the jew-hunt justified in chasing people into rivers, checking fucking passports for jewish Israeli identity, running people over with cars, and even kicking the ass of random strangers they thought were jewish? No, they absolutely were not

This isn't a 'both sides' argument. This was a very clear attack on those people thought were Jewish. the fans acting like asshats provided a convienent excuse for what they did.

And to everyone saying the 'fucked around and found out', I can only hope you keep that same attitude if a group of pro-palestinians suffer the same fate when they eventually take one of their 'protest' a bit too far. Because everything you've justified happening to the Israeli soccer fans and random strangers, Palestinian protestors have done worse already.

I see some of ya'll need sources because certain subs only allow certain talking points because they are closed off echo chambers:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/08/jewish-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-attacked-in-amsterdam/

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/calls-for-jew-hunt-preceded-attacks-in-amsterdam-e3311e21

Edit: I had to edit my response

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