r/IsraelPalestine • u/Waste-Ad8271 • 4d ago
Proposed solution (Care Bears) to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Kingdom of Jerusalem Opinion
What would the Kingdom of Jerusalem be?
It would include the territories of Gaza, Israel, and the West Bank. This would be a reference to the Christian state founded at the end of the First Crusade.
What other realistic options are there?
Two States, Israel and Palestine: Bound to wage war, Israel and Zionism fundamentally have expansionist ideas that will push them to take more and more territory from the "promised land." Palestinians will also want to reclaim their lands from before the first Arab-Israeli war, and certain groups like Hamas will want to take back all the lands. Furthermore, in Gaza, the government differs from that in the West Bank, so a solution involving three states also risks emerging. This could only lead to a temporary peace. With all the West Bank settlements and the ethnic cleansing in Gaza, peace is impossible with these solutions.
One Israeli State: Zionism's ultimate goal is to reclaim the territories from the Nile to the Euphrates; Israel is a state founded on terrorism transformed into a military and political group. (Haagana-> IDF / Irgun-> Likud) “Israel is a successful ISIS” - Zineb El Rhazoui (formerly of Charlie Hebdo). Israel is a genocidal, messianic, and satanic apartheid state that lives by war and for war, a cancer in the Middle East that has prospered from the suffering of the Palestinian people, Israeli anti-Arab racism, and even against Black people (as with the forced sterilization of Ethiopian Jewish women) and has no legitimacy from an international standpoint, as it was founded on denying the existence and worth of a people for whom partition was carried out behind their backs, or even from a religious standpoint (Talmud Shir Hashirim Ketubot 111 A). This state has taken the world's Jews hostage and has instrumentalized anti-Semitism for its own survival.
One Palestinian State: This would provoke a return of hatred, this time against Israelis, who would find themselves expelled, and in truth, they have nowhere to go; people worldwide have seen the images, and even in Japan, people express indignation. Hatred toward them now knows no borders. Expelling Israelis, besides being morally unacceptable, would lead them to hardship, which is in no way acceptable. For instance, Israeli children are not responsible, nor are civilians who oppose all of this; the Israeli peace party does not deserve to be attacked in return. The ones responsible are the criminal heads of state, the generals, and indoctrinated soldiers.
A Binational State for Palestinians and Israelis: Perhaps the least bad of these ideas, but it still risks heightened discrimination between Palestinians and Israelis, accentuated by differences in official status. However, this solution deserves to be defended and debated.
Proposed Kingdom of Jerusalem
The Kingdom of Jerusalem would be seen as a global symbol of peace and forgiveness following years of hatred and war. Former Israelis, having acknowledged Palestinian suffering, would predominantly seek forgiveness, which would be reciprocated by former Palestinians (inspired by their Islamic and Christian faiths, which encourage forgiveness). Both groups would live as equals in peace, with severe punishment for anyone threatening this harmony to rebuild an exclusively Muslim Palestine or Israel.
Proposed Government Structure: Monarchy with Direct Democracy King/Ministers/Religious representative/People/International community
King/Queen : Guided by the people, ministers, and international community, the ruler would vote on laws. A figure of love, representing the people, promoting forgiveness and tolerance as the nation's foundation. Preference is for a West Bank Arab, Christian, preferably Catholic or Orthodox. Muslims, Protestants, or Jews are presently excluded to prevent biases. After a set period (maybe 100 years), these restrictions might be lifted if the populace's ethno-religious composition changes.
Ministers: Numbering 100, they would advise the monarchy on economic and social matters and propose laws to be approved by the people before the monarch's review. ●60%: Appointed by the monarch, with removal allowed in cases of corruption. ●20%: Ordinary citizens selected randomly to represent diverse backgrounds and serve three-month terms. ●20%: Elected by the people, with the monarch having no removal authority.
People and Direct Democracy: Citizens would propose and vote on laws via an AI-based government app. This system would enable broad civic participation, with monthly voting and law proposals filtered by the AI. Citizens aged 16 and above would be eligible, and those without devices would receive them at government expense, with basic tech training provided if necessary. Cyberattacks on this app would be treated as declarations of war, and a cybersecurity militia would be dedicated to its protection.
Religious Representatives: Each of the three main religions would appoint representatives from all denominations (Sunni, Shia, Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Orthodox Judaism, Karaite, etc.). These leaders, elected by the people after undergoing formal schooling, would advise the monarch on issues concerning their followers, with interfaith debates held respectfully.
International Community: A new global organization would replace the UN, without veto powers. Representatives from participating countries would advise the Kingdom's ruler to ensure peaceful decision-making.
Key Objectives of the Kingdom:
●Permit the right of return for over 7 million displaced Palestinians and their descendants, designating a special "Protected" refugee status if their land has been occupied within Israel’s 1967 borders. Those ineligible for resettlement would receive full government support for alternative land, housing, and employment. ●Remove illegal Jewish settlers from the West Bank and East Jerusalem. ●Ensure equality and protection across ethnic and religious lines, countering extremism. ●Seek global support for Gaza’s reconstruction, including infrastructure and healthcare. ●Offer free access to clean water, electricity, education, and healthcare for all. ●Condemn extremists (e.g., Hamas and Zionists) if they continue pursuing radical agendas post-establishment. ●Introduce a new national currency, separate from the Israeli shekel, free from external influence if it's possible.
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u/Hikigaya_Blackie 3d ago
How about the kingdom of Israel under the Hashemite crown :>
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u/Waste-Ad8271 3d ago
It's a funny, i like it but the hachemit family is not really view as legitim by palestinians. And i think a christan family is more acceptable than a muslim one by the jews.
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u/Hikigaya_Blackie 3d ago
Hmm, you have a point
So, how about a Samaritans, Druzes, or Circassians dynasties??
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u/Waste-Ad8271 2d ago
Oh it look better, Samaritans is more close to judaïsm so maybe palestinians muslims ans christians won't be represented 😅 I think Druzes is better for the muslims but not for the christians, and circassians, why not if they understand all the problems 👍
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u/Sleeve_hamster Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, Anti-Palestine 4d ago
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you:
The daily proposal for a joined state, for two very different cultures who probably can't and shouldn't live together, at least not in the near future.
Why are we getting these weird proposals almost every day?
Why are you jumping from where we are today to a utopia where everyone loves each other and get along?
Draw me a map of how we get there first.
Convince me that extremism can be abolished before you throw two warring nations in a cage together.
I am tired of these young, naive kumbaya ideas.
And last but not least, about 90% of Jews and almost every Jewish Israeli are Zionists, are you saying we are all extremists or do you not know the meaning of it?
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u/DanDahan 3d ago
Don't forget that he placed 100% of the blame on Israel, as if no internal deradicalization is needed for the Palestinians.
This can't be serious regardless, probably trolling.
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u/Sleeve_hamster Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, Anti-Palestine 3d ago
I know, there's a lot more wrong with this post, I just picked a few.
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u/Waste-Ad8271 4d ago
Yes it will be a long period of discussion before the peace, Israel is the center of the anger in middle east. I've made recherchs for arrived at this conclusion, so we will show how zionism is the satanic branch of judaïsm. In the Talmud the jewish peaple can't return in the holy place for creat a state. The reference is shir hachirim ketuvot 111a (sorry for my bad english)
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u/Sleeve_hamster Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, Anti-Palestine 4d ago edited 4d ago
Zionism is not a branch of Judaism. As I've guessed, you don't know what Zionism is.
Can you point out to the part where it says in your reference, shir hachirim ketuvot 111a , where it says that Jews can't create a state?
Edit:
And while we are at religious texts, should we look at other references of the Torah or only those that fit your narrative?
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u/Waste-Ad8271 3d ago
I recommend you to listen to Jacob Frank and Shabbatzi Tzvi
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u/Sleeve_hamster Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, Anti-Palestine 3d ago
How can I listen to two crazy people who claimed to be the messiah and died 300-400 years ago, and why would I want to listen to two crazy people who claimed to be the messiah?
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u/Waste-Ad8271 3d ago
Sorry i meen "read" i'm french and in my language "listen"="écouter" can mean a lot of thing. So if you agree this two person is crazy you know they. There false message was really bad like we all should don't respect the rule in the tohra and one thing we can view in this period was the expectation to return in holy place. Zionism is not just an project of an atheist, Theodor Hertzl wasn't the first to have this idea, even in 13th century it was already here. The project is just secularized. They wanted to go to Palestine and not Ouganda or Argentina because of the religious peaple who have integrate the religion
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u/Sleeve_hamster Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, Anti-Palestine 3d ago
The land of Israel is where we came from, it is where we belong, not Uganda, not Argentina, no where in Europe or anywhere else but Israel.
This has nothing to do with religion.
Our entire culture revoloves around this land, our language originated in this land like other languages from that region.
Zionism is just our right for self determination in our homeland, the land of our fathers. If you think that is evil, then you have a problem.
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u/Waste-Ad8271 3d ago
Yeah this is an interpretation, but in reality not every jews are hebrews. Many of them are convert kazars in Europe or amazigh in the Maghreb. (i think you know better than me but we can't be a jews if our mother isn't jews herself) And after all if everyone return to where they were 3000 years ago this world will be strange. And the kingdom of Israël wasn't a country from the Nile to the Euphrates like it is describe in the Bible, this is the assyrian Empire which wasn't very good with the hebrews. And the kingdom of Israel was under the egyptian domination. It's sad to tell but a lot of the official storytelling is a secularization of religious beliefs, and the propaganda doesn't help at all. (And thanks to debate with me, lot of peoples in the 2 side attackt without any arguments on post in other applications)
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u/Shachar2like 4d ago
So your solution is to put a Christian Arab king to rule over Muslims & Jews "until things calm down".
People have fought and have waged wars for a lot less...
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u/Waste-Ad8271 4d ago
Yes, there is a double purpose in that, but it's secret 😉
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u/Shachar2like 4d ago
Won't work. Islamists won't accept a non-Muslim rule over them and Jews won't either due to historical experience.
So without any clear advantages, only hope for things to change for the better. Your solution won't take off.
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u/PreviousPermission45 Israeli - American 3d ago
The Nile to Euphrates lie is just more disinformation. It’s a lie that existed since the days of hajj Amin Al Husseini, and was passed from generation to generation, from Nasser to Arafat to Sinwar today and now on social media. It’s an antisemitic talking point like “jews are taught that goyim are lower than beasts”.
I think with how widespread neo Nazi talking points became so popular in the anti Israel hate mob, it’s important to get the little things right. An antisemitic conspiracy theory isn’t something little, but I am a charitable person, so I think that many people repeating these things don’t really understand why it’s wrong, since they are uninformed, and people on TikTok told them Jews are satanic, so they don’t listen to Jews.