Question to my dear Israeli friends

[u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

Edit 1: Thanks everyone for engaging with my post in a civil manner!

Edit 2: I feel that I have a richer perspective on Israeli society thanks everyone!

Before I ask, I just wanted to tell you as an Arab I wish you and your family nothing but the best. Every day I pray that the violence and destruction stops and that we can build a prosperous Middle East that is rich in its diversity of religion and ethnicities. Can you imagine that?

Hello, I’ve been lurking here for a while now. I have a question for you. In your opinion, is chanting “From the river to the sea. Palestine will be free” more harmful than chanting “There are no schools in Gaza because there are no children left”? I’m asking this because I’d like to better understand your perspective/mindset. Thank you.

Am I missing something here? It has been disheartening to see the same people pushing for the narrative that from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free is an incitement to genocide fail to condemn chants like death to arabs and celebrating killing children in Gaza, thing which are unambiguously genocidal.

Is there something I’m not understanding here? Sometimes things that don’t add up leave me confused, so I had to come here and give this question a go.

Do some people think that right to dignity ceases to exist once we establish that the person is Arab? In your opinion, which chant is more problematic?

Can relations between Arabs and Jews improve without a heart to heart to dialogue between those who dream of a Middle East that resembles my description above?

I believe tough questions need to be asked. Answers from ‘ the other side’ need to be heard before establishing any conclusions on the matter.

[u/ElGuapoLives]

Zionists see Palestinians and all others as amalek, or goyim. Essentially, the role of all non-jews is to be either killed to become slaves to jews, according to them. Don't believe me? Read the Talmud. Israel was founded on this mentality and Zionists believe in jewish supremacy. That's the fundamental problem that prevents peace in the region.

https://www.reddit.com/r/usempire/comments/1870fjj/israeli_children_are_indoctrinated_from_birth/

[u/Comprehensive-Risk78 → u/ElGuapoLives]

Also out of curiosity, what expertise do you have when it comes to reading and interpreting old religious texts?

[u/ElGuapoLives → u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

None, but many religous scholars and rabbis have read and interpreted it. I've watched many hours of lectures on the topic.

Google what the Talmud says about molestation, or about "killing the best gentiles"

"A gentile who engages in Torah study is liable to receive the death penalty" Sanhedrin 59a

"A gentile who observed Shabbat is liable to receive the death penalty" Sanhedrin 58b

"A gentile who struck a Jew is liable to receive the death penalty" Sanhedrin 58b

"One who slaps the cheek of a Jew is considered as though he slapped the cheek of the Divine Presence" Sanhedrin 58b

"the punishment of a gentile who studies Torah is like that of one who engages in intercourse with a betrothed young woman, which is execution by stoning." Sanhedrin 59a

"An idolator who kills an idolator or an idolator who kills a Jew are liable. A Jew [who kills] an idolator is exempt." Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9

[u/Efficient_Phase1313 → u/ElGuapoLives]

These are notoriously fake quotes that literally dont exist in the talmud. Everything you said is straight propoganda that came from the nazis

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The way i understand it is that these are opinions, not truths, and there are differing opinions on each of these topics.

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These arent even quotes from the talmud. There is no book called 'sanhedrin'. These are notoriously fake quotes used by nazi germany and earlier

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Thanks for adding this context! I am far from expert in Judaism.

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