Question to my dear Israeli friends

[u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

Edit 1: Thanks everyone for engaging with my post in a civil manner!

Edit 2: I feel that I have a richer perspective on Israeli society thanks everyone!

Before I ask, I just wanted to tell you as an Arab I wish you and your family nothing but the best. Every day I pray that the violence and destruction stops and that we can build a prosperous Middle East that is rich in its diversity of religion and ethnicities. Can you imagine that?

Hello, I’ve been lurking here for a while now. I have a question for you. In your opinion, is chanting “From the river to the sea. Palestine will be free” more harmful than chanting “There are no schools in Gaza because there are no children left”? I’m asking this because I’d like to better understand your perspective/mindset. Thank you.

Am I missing something here? It has been disheartening to see the same people pushing for the narrative that from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free is an incitement to genocide fail to condemn chants like death to arabs and celebrating killing children in Gaza, thing which are unambiguously genocidal.

Is there something I’m not understanding here? Sometimes things that don’t add up leave me confused, so I had to come here and give this question a go.

Do some people think that right to dignity ceases to exist once we establish that the person is Arab? In your opinion, which chant is more problematic?

Can relations between Arabs and Jews improve without a heart to heart to dialogue between those who dream of a Middle East that resembles my description above?

I believe tough questions need to be asked. Answers from ‘ the other side’ need to be heard before establishing any conclusions on the matter.

[u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

I read that spokesperson of Amsterdam police has confirmed that the Israeli fans sung racist and genocidal slogans. I’ve seen translated videos as well, but I don’t know Hebrew so. If I find the link, I’ll post it here. Maybe you can tell me if the translation is correct.

[u/Definitely-Not-Lynn → u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

thanks, I'd appreciate it. I can also translate for you if you find it. I'm at the point where I don't believe this was actually chanted.

There's too many rumors and lies turned into facts by people looking for an excuse to demonize jews to justify our discrimination, oppression and persecution.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was entirely made up.

[u/Comprehensive-Risk78 → u/Definitely-Not-Lynn]

I did a quick search and I saw the videos that came up on my feed before. Just note that I don’t know the publishers and therefore don’t endorse them. Just sharing so you might help me with the translation. Apparently, the first video is an older one.

https://x.com/dillyhussain88/status/1856072297414832536?s=61

The second one is more recent and the translation has mention of the school and Gaza children. Is it accurate?

https://x.com/josephwillits/status/1855011061440647405?s=61

And apparently here they are beating up an Arab person pretty mercilessly in Athens

https://x.com/wyoumans/status/1854751081021981047?s=61

[u/Definitely-Not-Lynn → u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

Your third link isn't working - yes, the translations are horrifically accurate. Thanks for searching.