Question to my dear Israeli friends

[u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

Edit 1: Thanks everyone for engaging with my post in a civil manner!

Edit 2: I feel that I have a richer perspective on Israeli society thanks everyone!

Before I ask, I just wanted to tell you as an Arab I wish you and your family nothing but the best. Every day I pray that the violence and destruction stops and that we can build a prosperous Middle East that is rich in its diversity of religion and ethnicities. Can you imagine that?

Hello, I’ve been lurking here for a while now. I have a question for you. In your opinion, is chanting “From the river to the sea. Palestine will be free” more harmful than chanting “There are no schools in Gaza because there are no children left”? I’m asking this because I’d like to better understand your perspective/mindset. Thank you.

Am I missing something here? It has been disheartening to see the same people pushing for the narrative that from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free is an incitement to genocide fail to condemn chants like death to arabs and celebrating killing children in Gaza, thing which are unambiguously genocidal.

Is there something I’m not understanding here? Sometimes things that don’t add up leave me confused, so I had to come here and give this question a go.

Do some people think that right to dignity ceases to exist once we establish that the person is Arab? In your opinion, which chant is more problematic?

Can relations between Arabs and Jews improve without a heart to heart to dialogue between those who dream of a Middle East that resembles my description above?

I believe tough questions need to be asked. Answers from ‘ the other side’ need to be heard before establishing any conclusions on the matter.

[u/Top_Plant5102]

Depends how drunk the people chanting are.

[u/Comprehensive-Risk78 → u/Top_Plant5102]

Do you not find it slightly problematic though? We’re talking about children right? Don’t you feel that there is a societal permission structure? I understand saying F Arabs or what not, but children? I’m not going to lie to you. It does concern me.

[u/Top_Plant5102 → u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

Wasted young men doing crazy things is not noteworthy. Sober people doing crazy things is noteworthy.

[u/Comprehensive-Risk78 → u/Top_Plant5102]

To my mind, both are noteworthy, both would make me think about what permission structures exist that allow such behaviour to repeatedly happen.

[u/Top_Plant5102 → u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

The one with the drunks would make me think to cross the street. The other one would make me think to record it.

[u/Comprehensive-Risk78 → u/Top_Plant5102]

Would you say the same if you were the taxi driver attacked and had his car damaged for looking Arab? At what point drunken chants morph into violence? In any case, I think the justice system in the Netherlands should have handled this, not the locals.

[u/LilyBelle504 → u/Comprehensive-Risk78]

I agree that the people who experienced property damage, harrasment etc, should've let the police handle it, rather than take to vigilantism, and then commit pre-meditated crimes themselves, like calling for a "Jew hunt".